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Vertical Search Engines and Copyright
An anonymous reader writes "I am a big fan of Oodle, the online classifieds aggregator. I was disheartened when Craigslist announced that they would block Oodle from their site in late 2005 (old link), as I find their service very handy. I came across this page at the site of an aggregator of freelance job openings that summarizes the arguments around the legality of meta search engines and mashup-like sites and I found myself wondering if Oodle could have avoided the ban. There is an interesting argument there that seems to undermine copyright claims of user-generated content compilations. Are mashups legal? How does this affect sites like Digg or YouTube?"
I'm glad you don't care where or how the aggregation happens, but who is going to pay the bills? If you use Amazon to find local books, what does Amazon get out of it? I think the real winner will not be the person who first creates all this aggregation, but the person who does it all in a way that allow profits to be shared.
But this sharing is where problems arise, as everyone thinks they're entitled to a larger share of the cash than the next person...
Only under Microsoft's model, all services are owned by them. ;)
More Twoson than Cupertino
If I'm understanding correctly, craigslist has terms of service, and Oodle was systematically violating them. That's their right, whether there's a formal copyright violation or not.
I'd never heard of Oodle, but craigslist is notoriously easygoing and their terms (you can run searches but not mirror the whole damn thing) seem reasonable, so I think the way Oodle could have avoided the ban is by not pissing Craig off.
What I'm listening to now on Pandora...
I don't know if mashups are legal in the strictest sense, but I do have an idea how I would want it to work. Academic publications are impossible to produce without citing the work of others. That's how research works. Information that did not originate with the author is attributed to its respective source(s). No muss, no fuss, usually, and there are accepted conventions for how this is done. Right now I don't think the web has any such accepted conventions, but it should. Practically speaking, it would be impossible to close down all aggregation sites anyway, so the best course of action, imho, would be to develop standards for citing information that comes from other sources. While these still can't be enforced 100%, peer pressure should at least give people the idea that citing sources is a good thing.
To the making of books there is no end, so let's get started
I think he's saying that Amazon and others get value by pushing their branding, and ads in your face when you use them. Some percentage of users actually generate revenue even though they were only contacted through these free options. Mashups, especially vertical search engines, can cause problems for the providers, because they let a user who currently uses that free stuff and is occasionally swayed by the ads, still get the value (and more) out of the free stuff, without providing any value, AND it lets many more people who didn't use the free data, profit off amazon's grace AND often suck up their outbound bandwidth much more than if the service didn't exist. Amazon's *free data* suddenly lost much of it's value to them, while also suddenly increasing in cost.
Gravity Sucks
"I came across this page..."
/. for some free publicity..."?
Doesn't the submitter mean "I wrote this page and thought I could get it on
'Thats they exact same thing a banana wrench monkey.'