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World's Fastest Broadband Connection — 40 Gbps

paulraps writes "A 75-year-old woman from Karlstad in central Sweden has been given a scorching 40 Gbps internet connection — the fastest residential connection anywhere in the world. Sigbritt Löthberg is the mother of Swedish internet guru Peter Löthberg, who is using his mother to prove that fiber networks can deliver a cost-effective, ultra-fast connection. Sigbritt, who has never owned a computer before, can now watch 1,500 HDTV channels simultaneously or download a whole high definition DVD in two seconds. Apparently 'the hardest part of the whole project was installing Windows on Sigbritt's PC.'" An article in Press Esc notes an analyst study of the increasing demand for fiber-to-the-home in Europe.

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  1. Great publicity stunt by daveschroeder · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Sigbritt will now be able to enjoy 1,500 high definition HDTV channels simultaneously. Or, if there is nothing worth watching there, she will be able to download a full high definition DVD in just two seconds.

    Oh, she will, will she? And this content comes from where, exactly?

    That's what I thought.

    She is able to "enjoy" nothing on her connection except the same internet to which we all have access. Sure, you can argue that as such bandwidth penetration becomes commonplace, services will be built to support it - like HD movie downloads or live HD IPTV. But as of now, this is nothing more than a technology demonstration, even though the article lamely begs to differ ("This is more than just a demonstration," said network boss Hafsteinn Jonsson.")

    "The most difficult part of the whole project was installing Windows on Sigbritt's PC," said Jonsson.

    Doubtful. (Why even say this? To impress upon people that a high bandwidth connection isn't "hard" to use? Wouldn't the new computer she ostensibly got, since, as the article notes, she's never owned a computer in her life, have come with Windows installed?[1])

    The secret behind Sigbritt's ultra-fast connection is a new modulation technique which allows data to be transferred directly between two routers up to 2,000 kilometres apart, with no intermediary transponders.

    Great, now all we need is fibre going to every home on earth, and the problem is solved!! Why look at wireless when we've got fibre?

    ...

    I understand the point they're trying to make: that a high speed connection that enables the kinds of things such bandwidth allows is technically feasible to a home. But the problem is the same one we've always had - namely, the "last mile" - and this does nothing to solve that in the least.

    "I want to show that there are other methods than the old fashioned ways such as copper wires and radio, which lack the possibilities that fibre has," said Peter Löthberg, who now works at Cisco.

    Is it any surprise that Cisco is dismissing "radio" as "old fashioned" (nice choice of calling it "radio" instead of "wireless"), when high-bandwidth wireless technologies like WiMAX and UMTS Rev 8 are at least an option worth considering as a solution to the "last mile" problem?

    Overall, a great PR stunt.

    4.5/5 (points deducted for lying about needing to install Windows on a newly purchased PC[1])

    [1] For the real contrarians among us, yes, I'm well aware that systems can be built and purchased without Windows. But if the goal was to get a computer that will ultimately be running Windows, and a corporate giant like Cisco is buying it, it would have been purchased without Windows why, again? Exactly.

    1. Re:Great publicity stunt by grub · · Score: 5, Funny


      Oh, she will, will she? And this content comes from where, exactly?

      PirateBay, of course. One of Sweden's national treasures.

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    2. Re:Great publicity stunt by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 5, Funny
      PirateBay, of course. One of Sweden's national treasures.

      At 1 HD-DVD every 2 seconds she is the PirateBay. Now that's who he should have given the connection to. I doubt her secret lutefisk recipe is going to need quite that much bandwidth.

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    3. Re:Great publicity stunt by daveschroeder · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Heh. I include a disclaimer saying just that, and someone still responds:

      [1] For the real contrarians among us, yes, I'm well aware that systems can be built and purchased without Windows. But if the goal was to get a computer that will ultimately be running Windows, and a corporate giant like Cisco is buying it, it would have been purchased without Windows why, again? Exactly.

      And no, since I'm sitting on a gigabit network on a 10Gbps backbone connected to Internet2/Abilene and BOREASNet, I don't have "network envy". This is a publicity stunt, plain and simple.

      Even 10Gbps PCIe NICs for computers only push about 6-7Gbps...to claim that a 40Gbps connection to an old lady's house is anything BUT a publicity stunt is laughable. Doesn't quite have the same ring as doing the same test between laboratory or corporate facilities, does it?

    4. Re:Great publicity stunt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Has anybody even looked at what the cost is for a 40Gbps interface card? (OC-768) There ain't no way you can call this cost effective.

    5. Re:Great publicity stunt by sqldr · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Why look at wireless when we've got fibre?

      Because there simply isn't enough bandwidth in the air itself for fast wireless. When 3G came out, an engineer I drink beer with often gave me the full SP on why video telephony would never take off. Basically, because to provide a complete service in London alone would involve putting a mast on every single street corner.

      This is why GPRS is charged per packet, not for time "online" (technically, you're always online with GPRS). Each packet goes to every phone signed on that mast. Think of the multiplexing.

      This also goes some way to explaining why HDTV is a bit of a con, especially if you're using a dish rather than cable. Firstly, if you broadcast HDTV at the same bandwidth as normal TV, even with mpeg-4, it looks worse, because the artifacts are more visible. So you could use more bandwidth for a nicer looking channel? Yep.. at cost..

      For an important show, eg. a world cup soccer match, the content provider can pay the broadcaster for extra bandwidth for the 90 minute duration of the match, and it looks great. Unfortunately, if the match goes into extra time, the bandwidth lease drops, and the remaining 30 minutes of footy look like crap! I'm not joking, this actually happens.

      Sure, we can reduce the wavelength and improve the compression, and it will improve over time, but the laws of physics in the realm of wireless are somewhat more restrictive than those of physical wiring, and we're a long way off getting anywhere near the quality that we're being hyped.

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    6. Re:Great publicity stunt by Xzzy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I hope she's got terabytes worth of ram.. because now the bottleneck is her hard drive and I guarantee she'll hever see that transfer rate unless the data is thrown away as soon as it hits the application.

      My (aging) PATA based system can't even handle 2MB off the internet, which I can get from a couple websites that just so happen to be hosted at the same site my employeer peers at. 40Gb? Disk platters would fly out of the case.

    7. Re:Great publicity stunt by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      My (aging) PATA based system can't even handle 2MB off the internet,

      My laptop can write at between 10MB/s and 30MB/s, depending on where on the disk you are writing. 30MB/s is 240Mb/s. If you built a RAID array out of laptop disks, you would need 170 of them at best, 510 at worst to be able to store the data.

      On the other hand, when your network is faster than your disk, the only things worth storing locally are things that need fast random access to (latency is still going to be bigger over the network than the disk).

      The point of a 40Gb connection is not what you can do with it, it's what you can't, and the thing you can't do is saturate it (easily). Until disks and CPUs are a few orders of magnitude faster than they are now, 40Gb/s is effectively infinite bandwidth, and that's what makes it interesting. What would you do if bandwidth were suddenly not an issue?

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    8. Re:Great publicity stunt by mikkelm · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Last mile fibre to the home is no more difficult than establishing copper to the home in a typical urban environment.

      When you're laying copper, you're running it to the CO. When you're laying fibre, you're running it to building/premises/neighbourhood access layer switches. The latter is a cheaper solution than building a fully-fledged CO. It's no significant hurdle compared to copper. Both need digging, and that's pretty much all there is to it. The ISP I work for does fibre to the home, and we have one of the best per-customer profit margins of all European ISPs. Last mile fibre to the home is -not- an insurmountable task.

      In rural areas, copper is cheaper, but in rural areas, many people still only have 56k dial-up, too, and at that kind of bandwidth and latency, satellite connections are a much better choice anyway.

    9. Re:Great publicity stunt by Dahamma · · Score: 4, Insightful

      because to provide a complete service in London alone would involve putting a mast on every single street corner.

      There are already cameras on every corner, I'm sure they can handle antennas as well...

      This is why GPRS is charged per packet, not for time "online" (technically, you're always online with GPRS). Each packet goes to every phone signed on that mast. Think of the multiplexing.

      That's what the Internet is all about. IP is packet based and multiplexed. Do you think you have your own dedicated connection to slashdot servers? Also: yes, GPRS is packet based, but not necessarily charged per packet. Many people pay a flat rate for GPRS, just like Internet access.

      This is the same argument people use to claim DSL is better than cable. Well, I can't get more than 3mbps DSL with their "dedicated line". I just switched to cable for the same price and get bursts of 20Mbps, with 6+Mbps continuous.

      Basically, this really fact-free article is claiming that fiber is "cost effective" but doesn't say the slightest about the cost. I guarantee it costs thousands of dollars to install per home, and that's just the last mile, not the massive changes and upgrades that would be required to support this bandwidth that has no useful application to the home for 99.9% of the public. Download an HD-DVD in 2 seconds? To WHERE? Try copying a 30GB file between 2 PCs with GiGE on the same LAN (or even 2 HDDs on the same computer). If it takes 2 seconds, I will pay for your FTTH installation.

      Just as the OP said, this is purely a Cisco-sponsored publicity stunt.

    10. Re:Great publicity stunt by dsginter · · Score: 5, Interesting

      What would you do if bandwidth were suddenly not an issue?

      Get rid of all of these hard drives.

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    11. Re:Great publicity stunt by autophile · · Score: 3, Insightful

      At 1 HD-DVD every 2 seconds she is the PirateBay. Now that's who he should have given the connection to.

      So that PB could what? Serve kilobyte torrent index files in a few microseconds?

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    12. Re:Great publicity stunt by Go4Linux · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Running Windows is she? Some script-kiddie please hack that box and turn it into a zombie fileserver. Question remains whether that connection is symmetric.

    13. Re:Great publicity stunt by whopub · · Score: 5, Funny

      So that PB could what? Serve kilobyte torrent index files in a few microseconds? At 1 HD-DVD every 2 seconds a torrent index file would arrive at least 5 seconds *before* you initiated the download!
    14. Re:Great publicity stunt by C0rinthian · · Score: 5, Funny

      Granny sucked it all down her pipe. I never want to see/hear that sentence again. Ever.
    15. Re:Great publicity stunt by shaitand · · Score: 3, Insightful

      nah, you'd just put them in all the same box. That data still has to be stored somewhere.

    16. Re:Great publicity stunt by mcpkaaos · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That data still has to be stored somewhere.

      Not really. If everyone had that kind of bandwidth you could just keep all of your data on the network at all times. Many a clever programmer can attest to using a network for temporary storage. With effectively infinite bandwidth, it no longer needs to be temporary.

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  2. Yes, but the real qustion by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Are there any servers that are able to stream 1500 HDTV channels simultaneously?

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  3. Here it comes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "RIAA arrests 75 year old woman in sweden for file-sharing over her 40GBPS connection. Damages are estimated in the billions."

  4. Huh. by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Talk about taking a drink from a firehose... How's her NIC keep up with that throughput? How's her hard drive? Her CPU?

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    1. Re:Huh. by halcyon1234 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Not a problem. Her 10/100 Ethernet nic goes up to 11.

    2. Re:Huh. by fbjon · · Score: 3, Funny

      That's 11/111/1111/11111 Ethernet for you, mister.

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  5. History Repeating by Ckwop · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... that its all just a little bit of history repeating

    It isn't just Shirley Bassey who thinks history is repeating, I do too. When the first canals were built in the 18th century that connected the centre of Manchester with the local coal mines, the price of coal fell by half. It wasn't just coal, suddenly the cotton from the New World could be transported from Liverpool to Manchester in a matter of days - not in the weeks of yester-year.

    This lead to a collapse in price of a whole range of minerals and materials. It is not an exaggeration to say that the humble cannal was the back-bone of the Industrial Revolution. It supplied cheap materials, power in the form of water wheels, and allowed production of a product to move far away from sea, yet still have global reach at the same time.

    Parallels with the Internet can obviously be drawn. Rather than aiding the movement of physical commodities, the Internet aids the movement of intellectual commodities. It completes what the Industrial Revolution started. Now production of information is not tied to any location. It can be forged anywhere and transported to anywhere in a fraction of a second.

    Forget Web 2.0, AJAX or Silverlight. In a century these words will only be known by Internet Historians, who will still have no better clue that us what web 2.0 actually means ;). What will be taught in the class-room about the early Internet is how it allowed the production of value to be independent of the physical location of a business.

    Simon

    1. Re:History Repeating by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Waterwheels need the water moving fast enough to torque the wheel. That seems to be a contradiction.

      Gears. If you have a large mass of water moving, it doesn't need to be moving fast.

  6. asking on behalf of Seth Rogan... by TraumaTrout · · Score: 3, Funny

    Once she's downloaded every season of "Murder, She Wrote", will she ever use the connection again?

    1. Re:asking on behalf of Seth Rogan... by mcguiver · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I am just curious if he is still living in his mother's basement? If so, that may have been the incentive to run that high of a capacity line to a 75 year old woman's house.

  7. Re:mmmm...bandwidth...*homerdrools* by enjerth · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And he secretly forged a master connection.

    One connection to rule them all... and in the darkness bind them.

  8. While it's neat as a tech demo by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 3, Informative

    This really doesn't do anything to demonstrate that fast broadband can be cost effective. Even if this single demo shows that the cost of getting it to the consumer is cheap (and it probably is reasonable, Verizion is rolling out fibre to the home) that's only half the problem. Whatever amount of bandwidth you want to offer to end users, you have to have more for your upstream to your office, and more still out to the Internet, at least if you want it to mean anything. If not, you are just putting them on a fast WAN. That's great, but not the same thing as fast broadband.

    I mean in a very real way, my computer has a gigabit Internet connection. That's what it is linked at, and there's other devices it can talk to at that speed... But only very few. If it wants anything past its immediate network, it is limited to 10mbits, since that's the speed of the Internet connection. Now while my net connection really has the upstream to support that, imagine if it didn't. Suppose that the provider only had 1mbit of upstream, and it was shared among a bunch of users. Essentially my "10mbit broadband" would be useless unless I happened to be talking to someone else on their system.

    In fact I've encountered broadband that is like this. I'll be transferring data to someone that claims to have 10mbit VDSL. I've no doubt they do, but their ISP lacks the bandwidth to back it up. So despite the fact that I'm at work sitting on multiple OC-3c lines and I've verified they aren't slammed, and they allegedly have a "10mbit" connection, we are getting rates more around ISDN because their ISP's upstream is slammed.

    That's the "elephant in the closet" so to speak, of Internet access. I see plenty of people who tout fibre to the home and all these great technologies for lots of bandwidth on the last mile run. That's great and all, but really that's half or less of the problem. It doesn't do you any good to get a fast line to your house if there aren't even faster lines at every stage of upstream. That is not cheap, unfortunately. If you wanted to offer 40gbps to the home, I'd imagine you'd need trunks in the multi-terabit capacity going from your concentration point back to the home office and god only knows what as an actual Internet connection, at least if you wanted people to reliably be able to get a good portion of that 40gbps.

  9. Phone Number by riffzifnab · · Score: 4, Funny

    Anyone have her phone number? I hear she has a wonderful personality and huge "assets". I have no shame when it comes to that kind of bandwidth.

    Or maybe I can just live in her basement, a change of scenery would do me good. Besides Mom is always nagging at me to get out of the basement and go see the world.

    1. Re:Phone Number by Dunbal · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I went outside once. It isn't worth it. Stay where you are.

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  10. meanwhile in Indiana by darnoKonrad · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I only have access to 56k. Tho, that will be changing soon with the fiber coming thru this summer -- 40 bucks a month for 3Mb/s. It's insane that the United States is this far off the ball.

    1. Re:meanwhile in Indiana by roseacres · · Score: 4, Informative

      And then there's Tennessee. I get 26.4 on a good day. I call Bellsouth/ATT and complain. The answer - 19.2 or better meets their standard. A state legislator reads my email of complaint and says that I should know that I now have the option of selecting a different phone company if I'm not happy with ATT. Sigh!

  11. Sign me up! by Random+BedHead+Ed · · Score: 5, Funny

    40 Gbps? Wow, sign me up for this!

    The most difficult part of the whole project was installing Windows on Sigbritt's PC

    Meh, on second thought it doesn't sound worth the effort.

  12. Gee, I would think the hardest part would be: by feepness · · Score: 4, Funny

    Sigbritt, who has never owned a computer before, can now watch 1,500 HDTV channels simultaneously or download a whole high definition DVD in two seconds. Apparently 'the hardest part of the whole project was installing Windows on Sigbritt's PC.'" It seems the hardest part would be setting up the 1,500 HDTVs.

    Of course if she's anything like my 71 year-old Mom it would mean she could fall asleep in from of 1,500 HDTV channels simultaneously.
  13. Windows? by psbrogna · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A Windows box with a 40 gps sec connection? Great, so now 1,000 different email worms and other forms of malware on Grandma's PC have a huge pipe. I'm sure this story will end well.

  14. the real story by psbrogna · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yeah, but she only gets 20 Gb/s upload speed. Damn ISP's and their fancy marketing lingo.

  15. Re:Why? by slickwillie · · Score: 4, Funny

    She's been waiting 75 years for a connection fast enough.

  16. Actually, it's called by geekoid · · Score: 3, Informative

    RTFA!

    They were testing a new modulation techniques that make it cheaper. SO you won't need money to burn to get it.

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  17. Every story needs photos by jmilne · · Score: 4, Informative

    There's some photos on Peter Lothberg's site that might be his mom playing with her new connection.

  18. Re:Silicon Snake Oil by billcopc · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The reason bandwidth is "billed-by-the-bit", as you put it, is because it is scarce.

    The reason you think huge bandwidth to the home is unfeasible is because you're stuck in the capitalist mentality, the very monster that spawned the MAFIAA and the current US political environment. Plentiful, cheap anything is bad for business, so business steps in and makes sure that cheap thing never materializes. Bandwidth is no exception to this rule.

    The telecoms have already laid thousands of miles of wires to handle phone and cable TV to every urban household. I don't see why they couldn't do it again for fiber. The reason they don't want to is because having a hyperfast digital line would make the old stuff obsolete. Why pay a separate bill for phone and cable when you can run the same data over the lone fiber line ? The telecoms are already fighting consumers over VOIP and IPTV-style streams, because they represent a direct threat to their bottom line.

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  19. What All Other ./ers Would Do... by saudadelinux · · Score: 5, Funny

    What would you do if bandwidth were suddenly not an issue? ...develop a truly horrible case of tennis elbow. Joking :)
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