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NZ Outfit Dumps Open Office For MS Office

(Score.5, Interestin writes "The NZ Automobile Association has just announced that it is dropping Open Office and switching back to MS Office. According to their CIO, 'Microsoft Office is not any cheaper, but it was almost impossible to work out what open-source was actually costing because of issues such as incompatibility and training.' In addition, 'you have no idea where open-source products are going, whereas vendors like Microsoft provide a roadmap for the future.'" About 500 seats are involved. MS conceded to letting Office users run the software at home as well.

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  1. wait wait by stim · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Now before we all agree that they suck and start the conspiracy of how much MS paid them to switch back... Perhaps they have some valid points here. What can the Linux movement do to curb the switchbacks, and address some of these concerns?

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    1. Re:wait wait by LWATCDR · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well for one it has little to nothing to do with Linux.
      They have a few valid points but they are hard to work around.
      1. OpenOffice will never be as compatible with Office as Office is.
      2. If you know Office you must learn OpenOffice. Office is taught in every school I know of.
      3. I still don't think Calc is even as good as Excel in Office 2000 but then I haven't really used it a lot in a long time.
      4. Outlooks+Exchange are a better Enterprise calendering system than anything I have seen from FOSS.
      5. Sharepoint. I haven't seen anything as easy to use from the FOSS community.

      Microsoft had done some good things, give the devil his due.

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    2. Re:wait wait by Sparr0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      1. OpenOffice will never be as compatible with Office as Office is. I disagree. I have made this counter-point with regards to windows gaming as well. As new versions of Office lose compatibility with older versions of Office, OpenOffice slowly eats into the compatibility margin. Eventually the missing features from Office2020->OpenOffice10 will be less than the incompatibilities between Office2020 and Office97, while OpenOffice10 will still be able to read and write Office97 documents at least as well as OpenOffice2 can today. This same argument is my favorite for windows gaming, I have lots of Win98/Win2k games that won't run in WinXP, but run fine in wine or Cedega, giving Linux *better* windows compatibility than windows.
  2. IT team can't handle metrics? by itwerx · · Score: 4, Insightful

    it was almost impossible to work out what open-source was actually costing

    Sounds like there's a disconnect between the IT staff and the business side of the house. Any CIO worth their salt would have had before-and-after metrics to compare.

  3. Where it 's heading by Tribbin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "In addition, you have no idea where open-source products are going, whereas vendors like Microsoft provide a roadmap for the future."

    Why do I think the exact opposite? I have more faith in ODF being supported by multiple apps, say, twenty years from now.

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  4. Re:Sniff, sniff... by PFI_Optix · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why? Because someone couldn't make open source work for them? I think they provided a fair assessment of some of the major obstacles to open source. The school district I work for is clamoring for a switch to MSO from Star Office 8. Why? Because we can't find people to train employees in SO8, which means our training funds from the state are wasted and because we are completely unsupported.

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  5. Just becasue it's free... by Itninja · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...doesn't mean it's cheaper. I am kind of a open-source fanboy myself, but when it came time to either buy Photoshop or spend valuable hours learning to use Gimp, I also opted for the cash-heavy/time-light option.

    My employer pays something like $40/hr (I think..I'm salary). So if I spent even 10 hours getting as good with Gimp as I already am with Photoshop, then the closed-source product is cheaper. But I do use all open source at home when time is less important than money.

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  6. no idea where open-source products are going... by oatec · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yea, those word processors and spreadsheet programs need a good roadmap. Think of how much they have changed since Office 97.

  7. Re:Sniff, sniff... by just_another_sean · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why? Because someone couldn't make open source work for them?

    No, because TFA specifically said that MS "conceded" to letting their users run office at home.

    I'm not saying the points for switching back to MSO aren't potentially valid but this story reminds me of a lot of recent trends. Companies/governments only have to mention the word "Linux" or "Open Source" around MS these days and suddenly they are falling over backward to give a better deal, concede on a license issue and in general make people feel like their getting a better deal then the rest of the world. It's a great new procurement strategy:

    1. "Evaluate" open source for next upgrade cycle
    2. Negotiate with MS for lower license fees
    3. Cite training/hidden costs as reason for giving up on Open Source

    Again, not saying that some reasons for sticking with MS aren't valid but some of this is just plain gaming the system.

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  8. Re:Sniff, sniff... by PFI_Optix · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Excel, Access, FrontPage, PowerPoint, and Publisher are all just word processors? What about all the back-end collaboration tools?

    If you think MSO and OO.o are "just word processors", just stick with Wordpad. It came with Windows.

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  9. Re:Sniff, sniff... by jonnythan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "it's just a word processor"

    So, in other words, you've never worked inside a modern corporate office.

    Users use of the suite of applications that come in Microsoft Office to do complex things, from presentations, to databases, to collaboration, to complex spreadsheets, etc etc. There's a *lot* of functionality present in OO or MS Office and it's not all trivial to use.

  10. Re:Sniff, sniff... by clodney · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When I bought my last car they dealer conceded to selling it for a price lower than what was shown on the sticker.

    How is MS offering a discount/incentive/license concession any different? Some MS sales rep had a potential sale of 500 seats, and had to sweeten the deal to get a sale. Purchasing people are always pushing for a better deal, and threatening to take their business elsewhere if they don't get it.

  11. Re:Sniff, sniff... by Penguinisto · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...just stick with Wordpad. It came with Windows.

    He could... if WordPad, err, wasn't so incompatible with reading default MS Office - generated .doc files...

    /P

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  12. Nothing more to say after this: by erroneus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The AA is also considering using Microsoft Sharepoint Server to maintain some of its websites. This would allow Office Pro users to maintain the sites directly from within Office and Word. Maintaining web sites with Word?! Anyone who has any respect for the technologies involved already knows what my reaction to that is and I'll just let it go unspoken for now. But anyone who would actually consider maintaining a public web site in that way doesn't fully appreciate what he's doing. I think we're seeing the results of some very persistent and convincing sales people.