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Retailers Leak New TiVo HD Specs and Price

Brent writes "Retailers goofed and posted most of the specs of the forthcoming TiVo Series 3 Lite, which Ars says may be called 'TiVo HD' at launch. A comparison with the standard Series 3 shows that for a savings of $300, you only lose the OLED screen (do you need a screen on your TiVo?), the glowing remote (which you can pickup for $50 anyway), THX certification (worthless) and 90GB of storage. Looks like it may be a TiVo hacker's dream."

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  1. Hackers dream? by pegr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why, did they unTivoize the GPLed software?

    1. Re:Hackers dream? by cayenne8 · · Score: 2, Informative
      I'd never buy another Tivo....they don't offer the lifetime 'service' any longer.

      I'm not gonna buy a unit...and then have to pay a monthly 'fee' to use it for the rest of its useful life.

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    2. Re:Hackers dream? by Kazymyr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, and you could pay a wad of cash upfront and get lifetime service. I know, I have 2 tivos with lifetime. I don't pay anything monthly on them. But they stopped selling that 2-3 years ago.

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    3. Re:Hackers dream? by infaustus · · Score: 2, Interesting

      When they first came out, you could buy lifetime service instead of paying monthly. I have a Series 1 Tivo with Lifetime Service. For awhile they had a deal where you could transfer the license to Series 3, too.

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    4. Re:Hackers dream? by Eddi3 · · Score: 2, Funny

      They didn't say a hacker's dream, they said a TiVo hacker's dream.

    5. Re:Hackers dream? by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 4, Informative

      But having units with Lifetime Service still qualifies you for discounted monthly service at $6.95 a month for additional TiVos on the same account.

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  2. What? by Constantine+XVI · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What exactly makes it a "hacker's dream"?

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    1. Re:What? by wawannem · · Score: 5, Funny

      well, the summary didn't mention the poster of Natalie Portman that comes with it.

    2. Re:What? by suv4x4 · · Score: 2, Funny

      What exactly makes it a "hacker's dream"?

      Well, hackers are poor and... well... That's Slashdot, you and your reasoning.

    3. Re:What? by phildawg · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What makes this so great and a hacker's dream is because the features it loses that cannot be purchased were worthless. The main reason for the Tivo HD is strictly to be able to record at that quality level. A normal tivo cannot do that.

      So what you lose here that cannot be replaced is THX-certification which doesn't mean anything because who has a THX professionally installed, setup, and configured home sound system? The OLED display is no big loss.

      The losses that people would miss are the glow in the dark remote (which can be replaced for 50 dollars) and ESPECIALLY the additionally recording space. The 600 dollar Series 3 has a 300GB hard drive and can record about 30 hours of HD content at that quality setting. This will have a 210 GB hard drive which can record about 20-21 hours of HD content.

      It should be noted that a typical normal tivo right now comes with about 80 hours worth of programming space, so the 30 and 21 hours of HD quality recording really is a setback, but fortunately you can record programs at lower quality on the HD Tivo's.

      However, what makes this is the hackers dream, is for roughly 700 dollars (only 100 dollars more than the top 30 hour tivo HD), you could purchase the remote and replace the 210GB drive with Hitachi's new 1TB drive and turn it into a 100 hour Tivo HD... which is truly awesome! And within a year we will probably see 1.5TB-2TB drives that could be put into this for even more recording volume.

    4. Re:What? by phildawg · · Score: 2, Informative

      I just wanted to say I goofed on the HD numbers. I originally looked into the Series 3 Tivo HD when it was released as I own 2 normal tivo's currently. I thought it had a 300GB hard drive and it was roughly a 10:1 ratio on space. I now see that it's a 250GB hard drive and the new version will have a 90GB hard drive. My point is still very true and even more so with this knowledge. If 250GB = 30 hours, then 160GB = 17 hours, 1TB = 120 Hours.

    5. Re:What? by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 3, Informative

      the 30 and 21 hours of HD quality recording really is a setback, but fortunately you can record programs at lower quality on the HD Tivo's.
      Only as long as you have the alternative to record HD programs in SD quality on an alternate SD channel carrying the same content. HD can only be recorded in HD. Last I checked, HDNET had no SD alternative. Also, the PBS stations in my area have different programming on the HD and SD channels (e.g. Doctor Who is only on the SD channel).

      There's also no IR or serial control by which to use a down-converting cable box on the Series3 platform. For cable programming, you either can record analog and unencrypted digital channels, or you use CableCards.
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  3. *sigh* no satillite connectivity... by Itninja · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I would we willing to pay an extra $300 for a Series 3 that could record HD from my satellite service (Dish Network). Having been a Tivo user for nearly 10 years, I finally had to dump my Tivo and start using the Dish Network ViP622 HD-DVR. It's not bad, but the user interface is no where near as tight as a Tivo. maybe someday Comcast will grace me with cable in my area...

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    1. Re:*sigh* no satillite connectivity... by Constantine+XVI · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What exactly prevents it from recording HD?

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    2. Re:*sigh* no satillite connectivity... by dgatwood · · Score: 2, Informative

      Satellite TV boxes put out analog (component) and/or digital (DVI/HDMI) uncompressed hi-def video. To record that, you need A. a component capture device (relatively cheap/easy) or DVI/HDMI input hardware (also relatively cheap/easy), and B. real-time hi-def compression hardware (expensive/hard). That last one pretty much puts the skids on any attempt to do an HD PVR for satellite without building it into the satellite receiver.

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  4. Finally! by mjpaci · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've been waiting for the T3 to drop in price to something my better half won't cringe at. That $700 price point was murder. Also, I am so freakin sick of the cruddy Motorola DVR that Verizon rents me that I am just peeing my pants with this pseudo press release. It will actually cost less for me to have a Tivo than that crappy DVR. (not factoring in purchase price, of course, so it will cost more, i just won't let myself believe it)

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  5. Re:90 GB? by OldeTimeGeek · · Score: 2, Informative

    From TFA, about 11 hours. The "Tivo Lite" will have a 160GB (holds about 20 hours) disk rather than the 250GB (which holds up to 31 hours) disk on the existing Series 3.

  6. Re:90 GB? by Kamots · · Score: 2, Informative

    It doesn't have 90 GB of storage.

    It loses 90 GB of storage.

    As to how much HD content it can store, RTFA. (31 hrs for the expensive one, 20 hrs for the new one)

  7. Re:90 GB? by LMacG · · Score: 2, Informative

    90GB is the difference in disk capacities between the current Series 3 and this new unit. The capacity stated in TFA is 20 hours HD.

    And TiVo "jumped on the HD bandwagon" several months ago, when the Series 3 first came out.

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  8. Re:90 freaking GB? by LabRat · · Score: 2

    As has been addressed in prior comments, as well as TFA...the new device will have 160GB, which is a 90GB loss in comparison to the current Series-3. A literal reading of the summary gives that information as well, though I can see where a quick skimming would lead one to the wrong conclusion if s/he couldn't be bothered to actually read the article before commenting on it.

  9. Still doesn't change a big price difference by rsborg · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Disclaimer: I'm currently owner of a Tivo Series2, unhacked, unmodified, connected to a SDTV, 5.1 receiver, and receiving analog cable (so I don't have to futz around with the channel blaster or deal with a cable box). I pay approx. $55/mo for this.

    That said, if I'm going to get a new Tivo, I have to deal with a lot of new issues:

    1. $$$: A new HDTV-compatible receiver and display
    2. $$: Cost of upgraded Cable services
    3. $: Cost of cable-card rental fee (x2 if I want to record 2 channels at a time)-or- dealing with the channel blaster again (yukk!)

    So in addition to the upgrade to HDTV, I will have to shell out probably another $30-$50 a month, which I really don't see as being necessary, and for what? HDTV? Forget it.

    On the other hand, this newsseems promising, if Comcast doesn't f$ck it all to hell.

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  10. Re:Losers! by ArsonSmith · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Let me help you out and parse it with bullet points: ... you only lose:
    *the OLED screen (do you need a screen on your TiVo?)
    *the glowing remote (which you can pick up for $50 anyway)
    *THX certification (worthless)
    *90GB of storage

    Now, why didn't 'you' parse the submission right?

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  11. OT Recommendations by asphaltjesus · · Score: 2, Informative

    I've configured both knoppmyth http://www.mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html and mediaportal for win32 http://www.team-mediaportal.com/.

    Each has their caveats. Knoppmyth works better once you get it rolling, but there's lots of fiddly work to get it going. Lots of fiddly work. Once it's up its rock steady. It manages powering down/sleeping between scheduled shows much better than win32.

    MediaPortal is easier to set up. Buggy interface though. Not show-stoppers but whacky things that make it hard to use. For reasons I haven't investigated it uses some kind of proprietary file type to store the shows. If someone knows how to set it up to make an mpeg that would be great. http://www.team-mediaportal.com/

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  12. Standard not worth the extra $500 ... by wximagery95 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    THX cert means little if your speakers/TV aren't also in a room that is THX certified. Unless you are a serious audiophile, it's like having heated car seats when you live in Florida. Cool feature, but not worth an extra $500 when you will probably never use it (hear the difference).

    The smaller HD is a bummer, but if the units are as easy to upgrade as the older units were, it's easy to image/re-image onto a larger HD.

    So, upgrade the HD in the Lite and the only "functionality" you give up over the Standard is the THX logo.

  13. Re:90 freaking GB? 160GB, and here's why... by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 2, Informative

    It has a 160GB drive, giving an estimated 21 hours of HD recording. The reason for the smaller drive is most likely to that they can still maintain a market for the much more profitable Series 3 Heavy at $799 + monthly programming fees.

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  14. My Tivo Series 3 Perspective by Hangtime · · Score: 5, Informative

    I just purchased my Tivo Series 3 (the wife and I are Tivo nuts and we just bought an HDTV so it was required) and here's my notes so far.

    1. Cablecard installation sucks. Make sure when you talk to the provider that they ALWAYS bring 2 Cablecards. It just took for times for TimeWarner to actually get cable going. None of this is Tivo's fault as much as its lack of understanding on the cable company side. The problems are in two places: one - firmware upgrades can take FOREVER, it literally took my 3 days to update the Cablecards, two: provisioning the TWC head-end folks have not quited figured this out yet and it took the guy talking to a friend to get the cards provisioned correctly. So when they come out make sure they try to flash the cards before they leave HQ and know someone on the other side that knows how to provision.

    2. The lost 90 GB is not much of a problem. Tivo Series 3 have an eSATA connection that can be enabled through a backdoor code (see http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.ph p?t=350510 on how to do so). Then you get yourself a $50 enclosure and $300 1 TB drive and your rocking for approximately the same price.

    3. I wish the OLED wasn't even there and I had $50 back. You can't see it half the time and its so small its tough to read from across the room.

    4. THX: I don't have a home theater (working on that but gotta be a little more frugal now) so I wouldn't worry about it.

    The $300 price point is the magic number and when it comes in watch out because these will start flying on the shelves.

    1. Re:My Tivo Series 3 Perspective by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      1. Also, CableCards seem to be really picky about how many splitters there are in the cable. My TWC really wanted the TiVo to be the only thing connected to the wall, but could tell from my setup that that simply was not feasible. I did determine that one splitter was blocking some frequencies and had to ditch it.

      2. eSATA port is unconfirmed. (BTW, I hate that people selling cables try to sell "internal eSATA cables". I almost bought the wrong kind because they haven't learned that the "e" stands for "external".)

      3. Even if you can't read the OLED display from across the room, you can still tell from a glance (on a unit not in Standby mode) whether what's recording on a tuner is a scheduled recording of yours or not (Suggestions are not named on the OLED; scheduled recordings are).

      4. I wish earlier models included an Emmy symbol the year TiVo was awarded one.

      I'm waiting for my $300 rebate, but I won't use it to buy another one. Eight TiVos are enough for me right now. (Heh, my first two 14hr Series1 TiVos also had $300 in rebates, making them cost -$0.01 after rebate, not considering taxes on pre-rebate price.)

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  15. Re:Neato keen and all but meh by feepness · · Score: 4, Funny

    Very nice, albeit still not enough to justify me getting one. Mind you the reason why I haven't is not an issue with the TiVo itself - more of a matter of nothing being on television worth watching anyway. If they add a "unSuck" button you can count me as the first person in line. Area Man Constantly Mentioning He Doesn't Own a Television
  16. Yes. It comes with Saw 3 pre-loaded. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Plus, it uses ReiserFS.

    [Sorry. Now I'm going AC for sure.]

  17. Re:Why does Tivo get so much publicity? by mkraft · · Score: 2, Informative

    First off, popup ads were never implemented. TiVo tested them on a few people, found they didn't work well and scrapped them. I don't know why people always bring this up since there hasn't been a popup ad on a TiVo in over 2 years. There's far more ads on the cable box Comcast gives me (they're all over the guide), than I ever see on my TiVo.

    Second, TiVo is the best known DVR out there and the most successful purchasable one there is. When Comcast starts selling their own HD DVR that's as good as TiVo (which will never happen) I'm sure you'll read it here.

    Third, TiVo is one of the easiest DVRs to use which is probably why they won an emmy for Outstanding Achievement in Enhanced Television Programming.