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Six Minutes of Terror - Landing Humans on Mars

OriginalArlen writes "Universe Today has a fascinating article discussing the difficulty of executing EDL (entry, descent, landing) on Mars for vehicles bigger than MER, Viking and Pathfinder, and the challenges for manned craft in particular. Airbags can't be used for obvious reasons, but the atmosphere is too thin to be used for parachutes or aerobraking by large heavy vehicles. The stronger gravity (compared to the moon) makes an Apollo-style powered descent impossible. The best current idea is a huge inflatable torus called a hypercone: 'Imagine a huge donut with a skin across its surface that girdles the vehicle and inflates very quickly with gas rockets (like air bags) to create a conical shape. This would inflate about 10 kilometers above the ground while the vehicle is traveling at Mach 4 or 5, after peak heating. The Hypercone would act as an aerodynamic anchor to slow the vehicle to Mach 1.'"

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  1. Why land? by Ecuador · · Score: 5, Funny

    We don't really have to land the large vehicle. Getting within transporter range should be enough.
    Oh, wait...

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  2. Impact by eck011219 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Landing at mach one still sounds pretty fast -- better aim for water! Oh, wait ...

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    1. Re:Impact by iknownuttin · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Landing at mach one still sounds pretty fast -- better aim for water! Oh, wait ...

      LOL. I was once in Aruba and I rented a one of those Ski-doo things. I revved the fucker up to 55 and went off. Then I made a turn. Well, G-Forces took over and I went flying across the ocean. Now, you'd think water was soft (I know YOU don't because of your post, but others...), but when I hit it, it felt HARD. So, I went again, and did the same thing...well, look at my user name...duh! (I live up to it, man!)Oh, the water was still fucking hard at 50+ MPH!

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  3. Hypercone looks like... by Change · · Score: 5, Funny

    Dunno about the rest of you, but the Hypercone immediately reminded me of a rolled-up condom.

    I wonder when that idea...uh...arose?

  4. Re:Make up your mind by tulmad · · Score: 5, Informative

    The current landing setup (the one used on the rovers) involves inflating airbags around the lander, then bouncing the lander into the surface at high speeds, then eventually coming to a stop after a few bounces. This is fine when your lander is filled with robotics, but would obviously be bad when the lander is filled with people.

    The landing setup they're proposing is actually more like an air-braking system. It inflates around the lander while it's still at a high enough altitude, giving the lander a considerably larger volume. This would hopefully slow the lander as it continues its descent.

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  5. Re:Parachute? by DeeVeeAnt · · Score: 5, Funny

    Actually the difference is that a parachute would instantly shred at the supersonic speeds they are talking about. It needs a clever shape and tougher materials. They will probably need to make it out of unobtainium.

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  6. Unit conversion by jimmux · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I suspect mach 1 on Mars is not the same as mach 1 on Earth (due to different speeds of sound in the planet's respective atmospheres). Which are they actually refering to in this case?

  7. Re:Same way they land on Earth by Bin+Naden · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What about a huge blimp? You carry frozen helium all the way to mars, then heat it before entry to fill a huge blimp.

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  8. Re:Make up your mind by halcyon1234 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Even if the atmosphere isn't as thick, it's still an atmosphere. Mach 4 is 1361.1 m/s. The escape velocity of Mars is 5.027 km/s. If you enter at Mach 4, you have nowhere to go but down. Deploy a large enough glider, and you will glide. Since the atmosphere isn't a vacuum, there will be drag. Fly around long enough, and you will slow down enough to glide safely in. I'd rather spend a few hours circling the runway than six seconds ramming into it.