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EU Google Competitor Project Gets Aid Worth $166 Million

mernil wrote with the news that the EU Commission has given the go-ahead to provide funding for Germany's search engine project, called Theseus. Early this year we discussed Germany's withdrawal from the French project Quaero. From the outside, it looks like the EU Commission is unwilling to put all its eggs in one basket, funding the German project to the tune of 120 million euro, or $US 166 million. Dow Jones reports: "The aim is to develop new search technologies for the next generation Internet, including 'semantic technologies which try to recognize the meaning of content and place it in its proper context.' The semantic Web has been considered the next evolution of the Internet at least since Tim Berners-Lee, widely considered a creator of the current version of the Internet, published an article describing it in 2001. In theory, a semantic Web could receive a user request for information about fishing, for example, and automatically narrow the results according to the user's individual needs rather than blanket the user with pages related to numerous aspects of fishing. The Commission's funding approval Thursday immediately sparked talk of building a potential European challenger to Web search leader Google Inc."

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  1. Have a VC / startup mentality by maelstrom · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Instead of big government bureaucracy, trying to force a Google competitor from the top down, the EU should be seeding promising European startups. The next Google is probably not going to look anything like Google, and you aren't going to find it with this style of funding.

    See also:

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    1. Re:Have a VC / startup mentality by jgc7 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The VC / startup mentality is practically impossible in Germany or France because the labor markets are so rigid. The EU shouldn't be seeding promising startups, but rather loosing the labor markets so venture capital is promising to both investors and entrepreneurs. Giving millions to established corporations only makes the problem worse.

      What they need is an environment where to two Phd students can go to some rich dude's doorstep, pitch an idea, and walk away with a check for $100k without ever being invited inside.

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    2. Re:Have a VC / startup mentality by malsdavis · · Score: 5, Informative

      That is pretty much what the THESEUS program is! Lots of academic and institutional research groups with centrally coordinated goals and objectives.

      From the about page of the THESEUS website http://theseus-programm.de/about_theseus:
      "At the current time, 31 research institutions, universities, and companies have joined the THESEUS program with planned projects. The industrial and public research partners are cooperating closely."

      It appears this project was mainly requested by German industry and from the website seems that it will closely involve industry. It's quite funny though how the story submitter and many commenters here have twisted the facts to make the project sound as socialist as possible!

      The story should really fit the facts though rather than the facts fitting the story!

  2. They rejected my name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    I suggested "communism." You know, the web, people working together, global village, all that loveliness. But apparently it has some negative conitations from before my time. Oh well.

  3. Re:uh... by dreamchaser · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yes, he is the inventor of the World Wide Web more or less, and the first http browser and server. I'm surprised you hadn't heard of him.

    The problem is he didn't come close to inventing the Internet, hence the GP to this post. The Internet is just a big honkin wide area network that uses IP as it's underlying protocol. The Web is an application.

  4. Re:uh... by rs79 · · Score: 4, Informative

    To put it in historical perspective, Tim took MIME that Einar Stefferud invented (Stef also invented and ran the first mailing list) and HTML (which came indirectly from Brian Reid's PhD thesis, brian also invented the firewall and alta vista) and glommed them all together and invented http. You can see Tim talking about this in comp.infosystems.www in the late 80s early 90s.

    Pity there was no internet to shuffle all those usenet articles and mail about. No doubt that would have helped.

    Gah.

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  5. What a complete waste of taxpayer money by Sanity · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Why are European governments taking money from European taxpayers, and giving it to the stodgy big companies of yesteryear, supposedly to promote research in an area that is more than adequately served by the free market?

    This is a ridiculous waste of taxpayer money, and a good demonstration of all that is wrong with beurocratic top-down European Union thinking (and I speak as a European).

    If you really want to promote innovation, then stop wasting taxpayer money on this type of crap and lower corporate taxes, encouraging an environment where the fit will thrive and the unfit will die.

  6. Next generation search technology by the_kanzure · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Let the user become the crawler- and do not eliminate the search giants (just don't rely on them completely). Already I sort of operate like a (slow) crawler with my queues of links to read, bookmarks (be weary- big load) and indexing those very interesting or important pages, sharing related tidbits, etc. Just feels like the natural extension, though I am sure that many people will want to stick with traditional GUIs and "back/forward" habits. There is also some interesting discussion in ATLAS-L re: future search infrastructures. So, in the spirit of promoting development in this area, linkage:

    * Grub article (now defunct)- was distributed peer-to-peer crawler. (see also)
    * Boitho, another distributed crawler
    * YaCy- another peer-to-peer crawler
    * How to build a web spider
    * C++ web crawler lib
    * LibWWW (perl)
    * W3C's WebBot
    * The Internet Archive's Heritrix crawler
    * WebSPHINX- customizable crawler

    Somehow, this is like an extension of surfraw. I imagine that soon enough we will start up an open source crawler-browsing hybrid software package, though have been surprised that nothing like it has popped up yet- it's (usually) the way of the programmer to make sure that he has the ability to do what the giants are doing. Maybe we have all been collectively blinded by graphical web browsers (IE, Firefox, Opera, etc.) and "click-click-click" thinkware?

  7. knockoffs, and how to compete by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Of course, google didn't come from government subsidies, it came from a few bright guys who made a startup and made it succeed by their hard work and sweat.

    The lesson Europe needs to learn is that the way to compete with the USA is not by trying to copy everything the USA does (google, GPS systems, operating systems, etc etc) but with government funding. The way to beat them is to innovate and make brand new things, made by the people who are passionate about doing something new and will pour their hearts and souls into it. That's why the Intel, Google, and Microsoft started in the USA, and why the European knockoffs all failed. You can't drive it from the top down: you have to let it grow from the bottom up. As soon as Europe learns this, there will be nothing to stop it.

  8. Re:uh... by Maxmin · · Score: 5, Funny

    There isn't much to the internet without http. The only other protocol that comes even close

    I know! Those other silly protocols, like SMTP, IMAP4, MIME, POP3, DNS, NTP, FTP, SIP, SNMP, SSH, telnet, RPC, RTSP, TLS/SSL, SOAP, ... nobody uses 'em much.

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  9. Re:Here come the flames by drooling-dog · · Score: 3, Informative

    Cause we all know Al Gore invented it!! :-) Well, he may not have invented the Internet, but he did champion the funding for it through Congress at a time when few people had even heard of it yet. And, in fact, he's never claimed anything more than that, despite Republican misinformation to the contrary...
  10. Obligatory speculation by Anc · · Score: 5, Insightful
    From the project's website:

    At the current time, 31 research institutions, universities, and companies have joined the THESEUS program with planned projects. The industrial and public research partners are cooperating closely. They are coordinated by empolis GmbH. Also involved are internationally recognized experts of the Fraunhofer Society, the German Research Center for Artificial Intelligence (DFKI), the Research Center for Computer Science (FZI), the Ludwig Maximilian University (LMU) and Technical University (TU) in Munich, the TU Darmstadt, the University of Karlsruhe, the TU Dresden, and the University of Erlangen. The application scenarios are developed from the immediate research results and utilization interests of the leading partners German National Library, empolis, Lycos Europe, SAP, Siemens, as well as the following additional partners involved: Deutsche Thomson oHG, Intelligent Views, m2any, Moresophy, Ontoprise, Verband Deutscher Maschinen- und Anlagenbau e.V. (VDMA), and the Institute of Radio Technology.
    The EU has funded a mostly academic research project but the post made it sound as if the direct goal was to create some kind of a competitor to Google. If this post was written differently, everyone here would be praising the EU for being farsighted and investing in science and research. But without some obligatory, flamboyant speculation it wouldn't look controversial enough to be posted on Slashdot, would it?
  11. Re:It's not waste of tax payers money by Iloinen+Lohikrme · · Score: 3, Informative

    No it's not. Venture Capital is not for basic research, it's for commercialization of already researched technology. If you don't put money for basic research, if you don't put it to high risk research, then you won't have any new technology that you can commercialize. And as I said, the US, Japanese, Chinese, Russians etc.. are already doing the same thing and thus it would be economical and industrial suicide to not do it.

    As what comes to Europes economic growth and it's businesses, taxation or it's rate are not to be blamed. Yes, in some countries like German the tax laws are a mess, but all in all they are pretty workable. What does instead stifle businesses are work laws, or more on inflexibility in the job market: French and Germany come to a mind quick. If I would start from somewhere, it would changes to free job markets not stifle working government private sector partnership that does bring food on the table