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E3 Power Rankings, Probably Moving Next Year

The Escapist takes a crack at ascribing 'power rankings' to this year's E3 players. Microsoft, EA, and Irrational are in the top three spots, with Bethesda and the newly-employed Peter Moore rounding out the top five. From the site's commentary on Microsoft: "Despite the lawsuits, the man with the biggest pockets earns the top slot by a fair margin. Microsoft has cleaned up on big-name exclusives and is slowly but surely building up Games For Windows as a brand. However, what really does it for Microsoft is Fallout 3, Halo 3, Mass Effect and BioShock. If one of those doesn't sell you a buggy, overheating, now-under-warranty Xbox 360, nothing will. Their upcoming billion-dollar 360 repair costs might dethrone them sooner than later, though." Meanwhile, the rumour is going around that LA won't be the site of the event next year.

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  1. E3 Moving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    For some reason I couldn't access the GameSpot blog. In any case, Google Cache has it, and it's one of those blogs linking to another source.

    In any case, the original source was this MCV article. The GameSpot article basically confirms the story but points out that it isn't a done deal yet - they're just considering new locations.

    They seem to be suggesting that E3 will be moving to Las Vegas, although it's not final yet. (The article also seems to suggest that New York was suggested and then decided against, which makes sense, since the Big Three game companies in the US (Nintendo, Microsoft, and Sory) are all on the west coast.)

    1. Re:E3 Moving by Kopiok · · Score: 1

      It seems all of the C-network (besides Cnet.com itself) are down.

  2. Is This A Joke? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    I think even the foaming at the mouth Xbox fanboys over at teamxbox.com would roll their eyes at whatever the fuck that link is trying to say.

  3. For other uses, see Horse (disambiguation) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Another boring E3 article?
    I love these because they attract no interest ...1st Pr0st?

    1. Re:For other uses, see Horse (disambiguation) by originalnih · · Score: 0

      Haha, so true.

  4. 360's problem by vitaflo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "However, what really does it for Microsoft is Fallout 3, Halo 3, Mass Effect and BioShock. If one of those doesn't sell you a buggy, overheating, now-under-warranty Xbox 360, nothing will."

    This is really MS's problem right here. I'm sure those games will be great and sell well, but they certain cater to a specific taste. The 360 really needs to branch out in it's library to be more diverse if it's going to sell beyond just the normal hardcore gamer. Right now it has the same stigma as the Xbox 1 did. I don't think that's going to help them down the road.

  5. Re:360's problem, or a narrow FPS market by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I agree that MSFT's problem is that they have to narrow a gaming reach.

    Lots of FPS and combat games won't alter the perception that you care nothing for casual gamers and the other 90 percent of the market.

    No matter how much you stress Viva Pinata! in your PR spin.

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  6. Re:360's problem, or a narrow FPS market by Aladrin · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "you care nothing for casual gamers"

    Yeah, because XBox Live Arcade is for hardcore gamers. -roll eyes-

    I just looked through the games list on EBGames.com to see how things stack up for boxed games. The 360 has a ton of shooters and action games, and so-so amount of other games. So then I looked at the PS3 and PS2. Surprise, surprise... The same thing. Maybe not -quite- as thick on shooters, but the actions games are there in full force. I'm including both of those because GTA/etc are considered Action. (Because they are not strictly first-person, I guess.)

    Don't let Slashdot spin let you think that all games on ANY console are of 1 genre. It's not even close to that.

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  7. Rats, misinterpretation... by r_jensen11 · · Score: 2, Funny

    And here I was thinking they were going to rank things based on the amount of power they consumed.... Stupid me....

  8. Fallout 3 by Enderandrew · · Score: 1

    Should Fallout 3 count towards the 360 when it is launching on the PS3, PC and 360 on the same day?

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  9. Re:360's problem, or a narrow FPS market by drewmca · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I agree with this. Everyone is criticizing Microsoft and Sony for failing to capture the casual gamer. At the same time, they're lauding the Wii for succeeding. But they fail to realize that one of the main reasons the Wii is doing so well is because the casual gamer doesn't want to spend a lot of money on something that they treat, well, casually. The price point is the big thing with the Wii, once you get past the novelty hook that puts it on so many news shows.

    But does the casual gamer want to spend $50 a game? Probably not. Casual gaming will be mainly filled out by low cost games, via things like PSN, Live Arcade, and the Virtual Console. With that in mind, Microsoft arguably has one of the most attractive lineups for casual gamers out there, even exceeding Nintendo's. Casual gamers are exactly who games like Bomberman, Uno, Zuma, Catan, Poker, etc, are aimed at. Cheap titles that can be played for short periods of time and sometimes shared with friends. Sony is starting to catch up with PSN but it doesn't look like they're getting as broad a portfolio of supposedly casual games. They're continuing to play the "hardcore" card. And Nintendo, strangely, is actually currently a bit more "hard-core gamer" focused in its online initiative, given that most of its titles are old Nintendo games that only nostalgia fans would be interested in (believe me, I've tried playing them and most just don't hold up).

    The shame is that Microsoft is still priced out of the casual gamer's market with the console itself. Once the 360 comes down to a mass market price, they may be a bit more capable of capturing the casual gamer market than people have been giving them credit for.

  10. Re:360's problem, or a narrow FPS market by Doctor_Jest · · Score: 1

    Microsoft is heavy into action games and FPSes... their two "big" titles coming this fall are Halo 3 and Bioshock... both FPSes.

    I think Sony's got a bit more than they usually get... but their RPG stable is not bare... just a little late in coming. ;)

    (which is why I bought a PS3...) Though, I'm going to thoroughly enjoy Lair and Heavenly Sword :D

    at the end of the generation, you're probably going to see more FPses on 360 than the PS3... just my guess. :)

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  11. Dare I point out... by Talgrath · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "However, what really does it for Microsoft is Fallout 3, Halo 3, Mass Effect and BioShock. If one of those doesn't sell you a buggy, overheating, now-under-warranty Xbox 360, nothing will." Dare I point out that Bioshock is coming the PC as is Fallout 3 (so who cares about the console versions). What's more, considering both Halo and Halo 2 have both come to PC, my bet is that Halo 3 eventually will too. Finally, my bet is that Mass Effect will hit the PC at some point too, as all of Bioware's RPGs have at one point or another. So...reason to buy a 360 again when everything they have that's worth playing is for sure or almost certainly will hit the PC in the near future (or another console)? Oh yeah...none. I'll stick with my PC, PS3, and Wii; thanks a bunch, come again.

    1. Re:Dare I point out... by DrXym · · Score: 1

      Quite. If you have a PC capable of gaming, you may as well pick up the PC version of these games since they're likely to be better and probably cheaper too.

    2. Re:Dare I point out... by TheThiefMaster · · Score: 1

      Indeed. Here in the UK, PC games are frequently £25-£30 and xbox 360 games are £40-£45.

      Even if it's the same game with a simultaneous release date. Even if they used a cross-platform game engine and the PC version has an explicit option for using the xbox 360 controller.

      Microsoft must be taking quite a cut of the money for that kind of difference.

    3. Re:Dare I point out... by realthing02 · · Score: 1

      I don't think the Xbox market is going after PC gamers. No offense, but why do you think they release these games on PC? The publisher's know it's a different demographic. And your point about halo is correct, but you forgot to mention the fact that it could be anywhere between one and 2 years before halo 3 comes to the PC. I'm not saying that it cheapens the value of the game any, just it's a game 1-2 years old. Imagine being a die hard Final Fantasy fan and having to wait 2 years after everyone else played it to play... that person might buy a playstation 3.

      But that's hardly the point, while you might not find value in a 360, you're hardly who they are selling it to. Besides what the xbox offers is a constant uniform hardware that you can spend 400 on and be sure you can play all these games. a top of the line (bleeding edge) graphics card could cost you more than that alone.

    4. Re:Dare I point out... by brkello · · Score: 1

      If you have 3 of 4 systems...yeah, I'd be trying hard not to spend my money on a 4th as well. Just because some day some game may come to the PC doesn't mean the 360 owners can't be excited. Probably all the games will end up in Gametap some day. Why bother buying consoles at all? (sarcasm)

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    5. Re:Dare I point out... by Chosen+Reject · · Score: 1

      doesn't mean the 360 owners can't be excited
      If I was an 360 owner, then I would certainly be excited (I'm not, I'm a PC gamer). However, in the context of this article, Most of these games probably won't win over a lot of people to become new 360 owners. For example, if I wanted BioShock I would get it for the PC, if I wanted Fallout I would get it for the PC. Now that's because I'm already a PC gamer with a decent PC to play those games with. Someone who doesn't have a PC or 360 to play those games but wanted to play those games then that is a different story. But most people in that situation are simply waiting to buy one for Halo 3. Which means that MS isn't having to win converts, they just have to get the product out. In short, none of these games are likely to win very many new 360 converts.
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    6. Re:Dare I point out... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And owning a PS3 buys you what? The ability to run a game at a lower framerate with aliasing and likely missing networking support compared to the 360 version. Oh. But it has a Blu-ray player so I can watch Adam Sandler court Drew Barrymore in High def. On the PC I can look forward to finding the right driver version to make sure my new gaming rig doesn't run like a 386 because some QA guy didn't test with my video and sound card combination.

    7. Re:Dare I point out... by Talgrath · · Score: 1

      Exclusive games: MGS 4, Heavenly Sword, Lair and more are PS3 exclusives; granted, MGS 4 may come out for other consoles too, but that isn't a sure thing yet and aside from MGS 4 tehre's no indication that these other games are heading to other consoles or the PC. As for network support, I don't know of any games out for both the 360 and the PS3 that don't both have network support. As far as framerate, I haven't had a single problem with the framerate on my PS3 games...so again, I don't know where you're coming from there. As far as the PC, I haven't had trouble with a driver in years; PCs have come a long way from that sort of trouble. Generally the only thing you might have to do is get the latest driver, and if you can't go to a website and download and install a file, you don't deserve to use a PC, ever. Pack it up and take it back.

  12. Re:360's problem, or a narrow FPS market by Prien715 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Don't forget the new Beautiful Katamari Damacy which is a 360 exclusive right now.

    I think that'll be the game that does me in....

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  13. The Wii Fit parody by Dwedit · · Score: 1

    The video linked from the article which parodied the Wii Fit was drop dead hilarious. Kudos to sarcasticgamer.com.

  14. Re:360's problem, or a narrow FPS market by fistfullast33l · · Score: 1

    Bomberman, Uno, Zuma, Catan, Poker

    How many card games do you need? Sony has High Stakes Poker coming, as well as short action games like Calling all Cars. But it also has weird radical games like Echochrome and Flow, and don't discount the pull that LittleBigPlanet will have on casual gaming. If content for that game is as easy to produce as a movie for YouTube, then LBP will definitely be a huge casual gaming pull.

    Add in BluRay for HiDef support and it's multimedia support that blunts the 360's abilities, and the PS3 is pretty attractive.

  15. Pathetic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    However, what really does it for Microsoft is Fallout 3, Halo 3, Mass Effect and BioShock. If one of those doesn't sell you a buggy, overheating, now-under-warranty Xbox 360, nothing will. Looks like nothing will.
  16. Re:360's problem, or a narrow FPS market by AmbientSidewalk · · Score: 1

    How many card games do you need? Two apparently. Bomberman, Zuma, and Catan are not card games.

  17. Microsoft still wins by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I honestly think they're glad to take your money no matter if you think you're avoiding them or not, either to support more Xbox development, or keep pushing Games For Windows. Buying the X-Box's big games for PC doesn't mean MS shouldn't be #1 right now on this list.

  18. Re:360's problem, or a narrow FPS market by steveo777 · · Score: 1
    True they do have something out there for the more casual gamers. The problem is that the casual gamer isn't shown this material. I am a pretty avid gamer. I might see 2 hours of TV a week, save for the occasional baseball game. But online I am able to keep up with most of everything that happens in the gaming world.


    The only way that I've heard about any XBLA games is by word of mouth. I haven't seen anything in a periodical showing off new XBLA games. Though there is great potential there, I don't think the MS is banking on their Arcade to push systems. I think it would. I think it would grab a portion of those moms who sit and play PopCap games on their computers all day. Perhaps pushing them over the edge and getting the system for junior.

    If it weren't for a lack of free time for 'yet another game system', and cost, I would have a 360. (for the record, I'm very much looking forward to Too Human, Mass Effect, and even the new Turok)

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  19. Re:360's problem, or a narrow FPS market by Aladrin · · Score: 1

    Gaming news sites like Joystiq, Kotaku and QJ cover the new games for each system, including boxed games, VC, XBLA, and PSN. I watch the feeds for those and morn and often have to read the same announcement about the XBLA games several times.

    I agree that they are not properly marketing to casual gamers, but that's different from having nothing offered.

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  20. Re:360's problem, or a narrow FPS market by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

    Unless we're talking about the Catan card game, of course.

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  21. Re:360's problem, or a narrow FPS market by ElleyKitten · · Score: 1

    Even once the price lowers, who wants to pay $200 or so to be able to download $5 games they could find for free on the internet? For that matter, how are casual gamers going to even know about all the casual games available, since they're not in stores and casual gamers don't make a habit of going to gaming websites?

    XBox Live Arcade is meant for the casual gamer who lives with a hardcore gamer who bought the system. The Wii, on the other hand, is attractive enough for casual gamers to actually buy themselves, instead of just playing their family member/roommate/whoever's system. That's because the Wii comes with a casual game that is unique and fun and not something you can get elsewhere. I can play Zuma or a clone for free at about 80 different websites, so why the hell would I buy an XBox to play it? Unless something major changes, I don't see the 360 or the PS3 ever being really attractive to casual gamers. But, that's ok. Not every system has to satisfy every gamer.

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