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Bill Would Criminalize Attempted IP Infringement

ianare writes "H.R. 3155, the Intellectual Property Enhanced Criminal Enforcement Act of 2007, has been introduced in Congress by Rep. Steve Chabot (R-OH). In most cases, the bill appears to simply double existing penalties. One big change however, is that people could now be charged with criminal copyright infringement even if such infringement has not actually taken place. Not surprisingly, the EFF has condemned the legislation."

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  1. FP? by dosius · · Score: 4, Informative

    Whatever happened to "innocent until proven guilty" ? Oh wait, that went out the door back in the 50s with McCarthyism.

    -uso.

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    1. Re:FP? by TheVelvetFlamebait · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's different. You are still innocent until proven guilty, it's just that now you can be found guilty of intent to pirate. They still have to prove that before they can dish out any punishment.

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    2. Re:FP? by tomhudson · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "You did know that an attempt to commit a crime is itself a crime? Try forcing a lock the charge will be attempted burglary."

      In other words, you're charged with a different crime - "attempted burglary, not borglary. If you read the article, the charges, penalties, etc., are the same for an attempt as for the actual crime.

      Attempted burglary can include a spur-of-the-moment going up to a closed door and seeing if its locked - the actual damages of an unsuccessful attempt are none, and its certainly not in the same league as successfully attacking the door with a crowbar which you brought along (premeditated) for that express purpose.

      Instead of doubling jail terms for this, why not double them for white collar crime, perjury, and rape? Oh, right ... the perps of white collar crime own the politicians, the politicians and their friends want to be able to continue perjuring themselves, and they're too busy raping over the electorate to give a sh*t.

    3. Re:FP? by pyrrhonist · · Score: 5, Funny

      you're charged with a different crime - "attempted burglary, not borglary

      Borglary - the act of assimilating all of someone's stuff into your own collective.

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    4. Re:FP? by DJCacophony · · Score: 4, Funny

      Another week or two later:

      "Asshole ruins joke, completely missing the point"

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    5. Re:FP? by Evilest+Doer · · Score: 5, Funny

      But after all, isn't stopping file sharing an integral part of the War On Terror?
      No, it's more of a derivative of the War on Terror.
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  2. Really now... by Mordok-DestroyerOfWo · · Score: 4, Funny

    Do they give the Nobel Prize for attempted chemistry?

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    1. Re:Really now... by Anonymous+Cowpat · · Score: 4, Funny

      damned liberals - they should have maintained execution for attempted suicide - serious crimes like that need a proper deterrent!

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    2. Re:Really now... by false_cause · · Score: 5, Funny

      I hope so. I attempted chemistry twice in college.

    3. Re:Really now... by DeVilla · · Score: 4, Funny

      Do they give the Nobel Prize for attempted chemistry?

      I could have sworn people have been award prizes for attempted peace in the middle east or attempted peace with the IRA.

  3. Freudian slip? by Vexler · · Score: 4, Funny

    Read the title again: "Bill Would Criminalize Attempted IP Infringement".

    That wouldn't be "Gates", would it?

  4. Fear by Joebert · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Every time I read somthing like this, I'm driven further away from wanting to participate in the exchange of ideas outside of a physical conversation with someone.

    I'm afraid of being locked up & not being able to understand why I'm locked up.

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  5. My IP is 127.0.0.1 so don't infringe on it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I call "dibs" on IP 127.0.0.1
    Any IP infringers out there...be warned...that's MY IP you're infringing upon

    1. Re:My IP is 127.0.0.1 so don't infringe on it by pyrrhonist · · Score: 4, Funny

      I call "dibs" on IP 127.0.0.1 Any IP infringers out there...be warned...that's MY IP you're infringing upon

      I just hacked into your box! Now I'm deleting your root disk! You are so f^^#

      %(^%#**(((


      NO CARRIER

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  6. Not law yet by ianare · · Score: 5, Informative

    Keep in mind this bill is not passed into law (yet ??). So there is still time to try to stop it!

    Ya I know, online petition is not the best way. Write to your representatives if you can.

  7. Criminalize wasting tax dollars? by HitekHobo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Between the DMCA, the BSA, the RIAA and the MPAA, we have legislation and watchdog groups to cover every imaginable form of piracy. The courts are already having to deal with lawsuits over pathetic amounts of money to make an example of people. Do we really need to have federal agencies doing the investigation as well and make room in the criminal judicial system as well?

  8. "Attempted" Infringement by hardburn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So what evidence do you need of "attempted" infringement? Will having a BitTorrent client on your system be enough? I can easily see a RIAA lawyer taking that stance in court.

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  9. Criminalizing Download Too, as "Conspiracy" by twitter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    From the bill:

    CONSPIRACY- If two or more persons conspire to commit an offense under paragraph (1) and one or more of such persons do any act to effectuate the object of the conspiracy, each shall be subject to the same penalties as those prescribed for the offense, the commission of which was the object of the conspiracy.'.

    This paragraph is more disturbing to me - language like that can be used to rope in just about anyone.

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  10. Re:Why does it have to be criminal? by QCompson · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why can't we just have a copyright system that is handle in civil courts? Why does everything have to be a crime now?
    "There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power government has is the power to crack down on criminals. When there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws." -- Ayn Rand
  11. Time to start writing... by Jorgandar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If everyone on slashdot took 5 minutes to write to your local congressman/woman, this would create enough noise for them to notice, it's not OK to be doing this anymore...here is my letter:

    "Dr mr Waxman, I am writing you to urge your opposition to H.R.3155, which is still in committee. Should it go to general debate, it will double penalties for copyright infringement, and introduce new crimes in the process. I'm sick of congress making criminals out of innocent people and wasting our tax money enforcing this. This is being pushed by the RIAA no doubt.

    Copyright issues are a CIVIL case, they are not criminal offenses, and should be dealt with accordingly. I for one am fed up with the congress that looks out only for big businesses. Its time to make laws that are good for the people. This is not one of them. Furthermore, a punishment should fit a the "crime". Copying an mp3 file or a movie is not a big crime. Nobody died. Nobody was hurt. Nothing was stolen (the original is still there). No property was damaged. Lets treat it as it is. Current laws are ridiculously harsh. We need to roll back the power your friends in congress have given the big RIAA machine and give it back to the people. "