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Using Face Recognition Instead of a PIN Number

coondoggie writes "Face recognition as a unique biometric is growing slowly in certain corporate and consumer applications, but researchers at the University of Houston (UH) are trying to make the technology far more ubiquitous and secure: they want it to replace the dozens of personal identification numbers (PIN), passwords and credit card numbers everyone uses every day. University researchers developed the URxD face recognition software that uses a three-dimensional snapshot of a person's face to create a unique biometric identifier."

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  1. Bad idea by Ckwop · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is stupid for a couple of reasons. The first is that biometrics suck and are usually almost trivial to subvert. See the $10 fake finger, for an example. What do you do if somebody hacks your credentials as well? Have facial re-constructive surgery? But even if you had very good biometrics that were hard to fake, it still less secure than having separate credentials to access everything.

    Why is this? Well for the sake of argument, let's suppose it costs £50 to create a duplicate of my chip and pin card that will work in any cash point. I have four such cards in my wallet so the cost of duplicating them all is £200. In order for the biometric to replace my cards completely and be equally secure, it has to cost more than £200 to fake.

    The problem is that the unified security mechanism rarely costs more to subvert then all the IDs it replaced. This doesn't just apply to bank-cards it also applies to national ID cards and any centralisation of security.

    The fundamental principle here is that centralising security often reduces security. This is something to keep in mind when you're consolidating servers.

    Simon

    1. Re:Bad idea by andy666 · · Score: 5, Funny

      I was walking over to an ATM machine the other day, when I realized that many other people have the same PIN number as me. I thought "they should have a personalized PIN number." Also, my bank still uses those old CRT tubes and they are hard to read, so they really need to upgrade the whole thing. Anyway I went into the bank to sit and talk to a representative about this, and I was reading a DC comic, and the light next to me was flickering. Damn that AC current! I took out my laptop, since I wanted to learn more about CSS style sheets. (Are they under the GPL license btw ?) After about 5 minutes of reading I had a headache - I felt like an ICBM missile had hit my head! Or maybe it was from my LCD display. What I need is a vacation I thought - so I went home and started to pack my SCUBA gear.

  2. Interesting, but Ill decline by Aranykai · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Its an interesting concept. I will agree with that.

    Essentially, it uses your face to access your information in a database, which could include bank, credit card, medical, or pretty much anything else desired.

    However, all a person then needs to commit fraud is to capture these scans and feed it back to the software...

    Ill keep my zero liability credit cards and my 4 and 6 digit pin numbers thank you.

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  3. Check for life! by reality-bytes · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I hope this system includes some method to check whether the rest of the person apart from the face is present.

    Some poor Malaysian fellow has already lost a finger. I'd hate to have my head stolen just to access my bank account.

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    1. Re:Check for life! by hotdiggity · · Score: 3, Funny
      I'd hate to have my head stolen just to access my bank account.

      Yep. Might just want to limit this system to in-store purchases. Then when a would-be thief walks into a Best Buy to get a plasma TV using my card and severed head, the clerk may get suspicious and ask for a second piece of ID.

  4. Its not the number of passwords that is the issue by cliffski · · Score: 4, Interesting

    But the fact that every single one of them has different stupid restrictions. I try to limit myself to two common passwords where possible. one is fairly short, one is quite long.
    Recently I needed a new password for a site. I tried the short one. "your password must be at least X characters". fine, whatever, that's why I use my long one,"your password is too long", so a new, made-up one "your password must contain at least one number". WTF?
    Can we not at least agree some standard on this? Like many people I end up having to write this new mangled password down, totally defeating its security.
    I do not see, from a code POV, why it matters that the password is less than X characters. Between 5 and 10 characters? WHY? what is wrong with between 5 and 50 characters? or 5 and 100 characters?
    Most people can remember a sentence pretty easily, especially a favourite catchphrase or movie quote, remembering "tuesdaypass442" is not so easy, and thus they get written down. I understand the need for minimum pass lengths, but capping the max so low, and so close to the min, is just madness. Give us flexibility in passwords, not some dubious new expensive tech to do the same job.

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  5. Sounds pretty fucked up for twins... by forgoil · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Or people looking really alike, I mean, how precise is this thing? What about make up? Trip to the beach? Getting your hair done? Shaving accident?

    They are trying to solve a problem (I hate pin codes) by making it to a worse problem. Way to go...

    1. Re:Sounds pretty fucked up for twins... by 3vi1 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Twins won't be a problem: the software can tell them apart because the evil one has a goatee and the good one doesn't.

      Yes, even the female ones.

  6. Re:PIN *NUMBER* ??? by IainMH · · Score: 3, Funny

    That is a little redundant, douchebag. Why do they have to post stories with a title that says "Personal Identification Number Number?" Die, tool. We're used to it - 'Built on NT Technology' :-)
  7. Obviously CmdrTaco and Alan Cox wouldn't like it by jsse · · Score: 3, Funny

    Because it requires them to shave.

    "Please stuck your head in the scanner for face recognition."

    *grumble*

    "Your face was not recognized, please rub your face with the towel provided and try agiain."

    *damn*

    "We failed to recognized your face after several trials. We'll now shave your face for a better recognition result. To avoid you moving your head while shaving is in progress, we'll lock your head firmly now."

    *shaver pop out*

    "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"

  8. So... by QMalcolm · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Instead of using something that's secret and can be changed, they want to start using something that everyone can see, and is not changeable.

  9. It's Bogus by ajs318 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's bogus. I can say this with certainty.

    How do I know? Because the exact same maths apply to a different domain, and we'd already have seen developments there if this was true.

    Decompilation uses exactly the same abstract mathematical concepts as shape recognition (of which facial recognition clearly is a subset). Just replace "vertices" with assembly-language instructions and the "shapes" to which they may belong with program structures (for / while loops, subroutines &c).

    If there was anything in this facial recognition malarkey, somebody would have created a working decompiler by now. That's just a simple application of the law of averages; there are many more hackers out there than there are biometrics researchers. And there's a huge application for a decompiler: the ability to decompile a program which originally was written in, say, Visual BASIC into C++ will mean that programmers can collaborate on a project without having to have a language in common (and, incidentally, it will also mean that Freedoms One and Three can be taken by force like Freedoms Zero and Two). So far, nobody has created such a thing.

    It's snake oil, pure and simple.

    Plus, I kind of like the extra security layer that I get by having different PINs for all my cards and different paswords for all my online accounts. If someone discovers, say, my Halifax PIN, they'll have to steal my Halifax card. But if they catch me on a day when I'm not carrying that one and steal my Lloyds TSB card or my Abbey National card instead, the Halifax PIN is useless to them (and while I'm sorting out blocking the stolen card, I can change the compromised PIN). Likewise, if someone discovers my Yahoo! Messenger password, they can't impersonate me on Slashdot.

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  10. Re:Its not the number of passwords that is the iss by Havenwar · · Score: 3, Interesting

    wttrw
    w2trw
    w2trwrld
    yes, you are right, welcome to the real world is easy to remember. and now it will evoke the memory of w2trwrld, which is between 5-10 letters and contain one digit, and thus will be accepted as strong on 90% of the passworded applications out there.

  11. Easy to reproduce and.. by QuantumG · · Score: 4, Funny

    The reason why it is a bad idea to use your face as a password is that everyone can see your freakin' face. Why not just write your password in black marker on your forehead?

    That's secure right?

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  12. Stupid for several reasons by PontifexPrimus · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Here are, just off the top of my head, a couple of reasons why I think that's a really stupid idea:
    • You have to consciously enter a PIN to give it away - unless you're fooled by a complete rebuild of an ATM, you're not likely to enter this particular number anywhere else; but you show your face to everyone in the street, making it trivial to get several photographs of it and even do a 3D reconstruction if desired.
    • You can enter a number at a keypad even if severely impaired and under pretty unfriendly conditions (outside ATM in heavy rain, when you're wearing gloves and are a little under the effect of both a cold and cold medicine, say). It's a pretty fool-proof, accessible way of entering a small amount of data. Facial recognition, on the other hand, requires - unless there have been vast advances - very good lighting, a clear image of the face not obscured by sunglasses, intensive make-up or bruises, and no vast changes in hair style or beard growth.
    • Image recognition is cost intensive, energy intensive and computationally expensive; a keypad of the highest level, secure and proof against vandalism will cost what? A couple of hundred bucks at most? To get facial recognition you need light sources that don't interfere with the cameras, the cameras themselves, complex software behind them and - also very important - you need large amounts of data on the facial features. Granted, it might be easy to compress them to a couple of hundred kb's if you're willing to sacrifice some accuracy, but compare that with the four or five byte you need to store a PIN!
    • Problem of false negatives and false positives: when I enter a PIN I can usually get it right on the first try; I usually only run into problems when I confuse it with the PIN from another card. Entering it wrongly has happened maybe once or twice in my life, as far as I remember. Now, what are the chances that the facial recognition software will correctly identify me 99.99999% of the time? And how big is the risk that it might mistake another person for me?
    • Another thing: right now I can hand my credit card to my brother, tell him to pick me up a little cash from an ATM and give him my PIN and card. Will there be provisions made for you to authorize other people, like your spouse? How many? For how long?
    I think it's strange that so many people seem to think just because something is newer it is automatically better than the old technology / method / tool. Don't get me wrong, I love progress - but increasing the failure points of a known and working (if not perfect) system seems like a strange idea to me...
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    1. Re:Stupid for several reasons by MichaelSmith · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I agree with all of that. One one thing I would like to see with ATM's is an attempt to behave a bit like a human teller in the sense that if I steal a woman's credit card and front up at the counter then they know they I (being male) must not be the owner of the card.

      Some simple image matching process would be a good idea IMHO. It doesn't have to be fantastic and definitely not a replacement for a PIN.

  13. Re:PIN *NUMBER* ??? by yotto · · Score: 4, Funny

    The next person who makes an acronym joke, I'm going to fire a SAM-Missile like TCP/IP protocol attack on. I'm serious, you're going to need a DC Comics superhero or the skills of an FPS shooter main character to survive this one. First, your FAT table will go, then your NIC card, then all your OSS software, and for the final coupe de gras, I'll translate all your code to the COBOL language.

    Yeah, you'll be FUBAR beyond all recognition.