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German Prosecutors Won't Help RIAA Counterpart

NewYorkCountryLawyer writes "A German court decision ruled that the European counterpart to the RIAA cannot invoke criminal proceedings over petty file sharing incidents. The goal was to to find out from ISPs the identity of alleged file-sharing subscribers; the requests have been refused as the judge saw the the proceedings as not in the 'public interest', and little or no economic damage was shown to have been caused to the record companies. Offering a few copyright-protected music tracks via a P2P network client was 'a petty offense,' the court declared. Within days, German prosecutors have now indicated that they will no longer permit the use of 'criminal proceedings' to procure subscriber information."

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  1. If only... by InvisblePinkUnicorn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Now if only American court rooms cared at all about the "public interest", rather than the special interests that have so much power, maybe we'd start seeing similar sound-mindedness.

  2. Where these cases belong... by Stanistani · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The RIAA should be forced to take these cases to Small Claims Court, where they would have little to no subpoena power, be limited in the amount of award, and have to explain to crusty, overworked judges why they're wasting their time.

    1. Re:Where these cases belong... by Cadallin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Precisely. Can you imagine the disgust in a judges voice the first time he hears one of these, "You mean you're suing over the equivalent of sharing a song taped from radio?" Dismissal. With Prejudice.

  3. This is great by hkgroove · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm glad the German government / courts have some common sense unlike their American counter-parts. First Scientology now this!

  4. Deutschland Uber Alles! by tjstork · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hooray for Germany! Is it still bad to say this?

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    1. Re:Deutschland Uber Alles! by orzetto · · Score: 4, Informative

      "Hooray for Germany" is ok, "Deutschland über alles" not so much.

      ...and why not exactly? It is part of their national anthem and has no Nazi-party origins or connections. Contrary to what WW1 British propaganda said about the Hun, "Deutschland über alles" is not a claim of racial or national superiority, since "alles" means "everything", not "everybody". It was originally meant as "uniting the country is more important than petty state interest" when the country was united in the second half of the 19th century; it is basically a federalist motto.

      Then again, it's in German, and everything in German looks scary... including Geschwindigkeitbegrenzung and Streichholzschächtelchen.

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    2. Re:Deutschland Uber Alles! by whopub · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hooray for Germany! Is it still bad to say this? Sorry, you still can't say that. Atrocities like the fact that David Hasselhoff's records sold well in Germany are still fresh in our collective memory!
    3. Re:Deutschland Uber Alles! by AK+Marc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As you said, the words do mean "Germany above everything", but I fail to see how you can find that alright.

      Sure, and the Pledge of Allegiance in the US is satanic because you are worshiping an idol (the flag). And yes, I've heard more than one person claim this.

      Your country above your family? Your love? Your honor? It's an evil concept when taken out of its original context (1848 revolutions, when nationalism was liberal and meant freedom from the German monarchs, and progress) and applied to a modern industrial nation, as the Nazis did (when nationalism became utter hell).


      I've heard that the military in the US espouses "God, country, family" in that order. Again, that puts the country above the family, love, honor and all that. Is that evil too?

  5. American news release... by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Funny

    Bombing of Berlin will start in 24 hours. Dick Cheny and President Bush decided that the German government is not in the best interests of the USA and must be stopped.

    "we are bringing freedom to all of the euopean continent" Dick cheny said after he bit the head off a chicken and sucked the blood out.

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    1. Re:American news release... by spungo · · Score: 4, Funny

      Mod parent up!! Is it me, or does your average /. moderator have absolutely no discernable sense of humour? WTF is wrong with these people?? You know -- it's humourless bozos like these that give us geeks a bad name.

  6. Threatening Germany by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 4, Informative
    Will they now threaten Germany, as they've threatened Russia (no WTO until AllOfMP3 is destroyed), and Sweden (raid The Pirate Bay, or else we won't like you)?

    What this decision says that's really important is that file sharing isn't the big deal the RIAA affiliated companies -- and Elton John -- make it out to be. And the losses due to a few files shared isn't HUGE AMOUNTS OF DOLLARS, like the RIAA sues for. And that there are other crimes that are far more damaging to society than guaranteeing a profit forever (Sonny Bono Copyright Extension into Eternity Act) for an old industry in a new age. And that the public prosecutors don't work for free for the record industry any longer.

    Nice to hear someone say all that.

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    1. Re:Threatening Germany by lelitsch · · Score: 4, Informative

      I hope that they try, because German governments tend to not react well to intimidation. But similarly to the US policy of not invading countries that (a) don't have oil and (b) could up a fight, I doubt that the US government is eager to hassle the World's third largest economy.

      On the other hand, this is a decision at the lowest tier of Germany's court system. Unless the RIAA equivalent appeals twice (first to the Landgericht, then to an Oberlandesgericht) and gets smacked down, this doesn't really have any legal binding for other German courts.

      The Heise article makes the interesting point that the prosecutors' offices in see these cases as a waste of time, so they'll probably be even more reluctant to bring charges.

    2. Re:Threatening Germany by pimpimpim · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm not sure, they gave in to the biometric passports, and we have Schäuble now here, who will do anything to stop "terrorists" and give him a reason to spy on the german people. It's a delicate balance in Germany now. Glad to see it went to the right side this time.

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  7. De minimis non curat lex by Scareduck · · Score: 4, Informative
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  8. If a Country Really Wanted to Rip the Music Indust by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 4, Interesting
    If a country really wanted to rip the music industry a new one, they'd institute a reasonable 5 year copyright term for all new recordings. How many old albums are still in the top 10,000 after 4 years anyway.

    And once it went out of copyright there, it would be cut free out into the world.

    Talk about something to really scare the record companies.

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  9. Wow by AlphaLop · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I wonder if I am too old to learn to speak German...

    Yet another country passes us on the personal freedom issue.

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  10. Re:History reversed by WK2 · · Score: 4, Funny

    It is interesting that you compare the RIAA to storm troopers. Each are just as likely to hit their target.

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  11. Re:German music sucks by Sique · · Score: 4, Insightful

    On the other hand Germany had its greatest and best musicans, when Copyright (or Author's Right) was virtually nonexistant: Heinrich Schütz, Johann Sebastian Bach, Johann Pachelbel, Philipp Telemann, Georg Friedrich Händel, Ludwig van Beethoven, Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, Josef Haydn, Felix Mendelssohn-Bartholdy, Robert Schumann...

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  12. An old english expression by Big+Nothing · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't know if it exists in German, but in the english language there is an old expression for this kind of court decision. It's called "common sense" and seems to be all but extinct these days.

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  13. Re:Mozart died a pauper, while Clementi got rich by Sique · · Score: 4, Informative

    Mozart died penniless, because he was spending his money everywhere. He gambled, and when he and his family went on a way with a coach, there was a second coach accompanying him with his piano, so he could play whenever inspiration got him. He had literally hundreds of toupets, and coats.

    Mozart demanded three florins for a hour of music education he gave. The maid who was working for him and his wife, got 12 florins per annum as a salary. So basicly with half a day of work he made as much as normal people in a year.

    Later one his widow died with a wealth of five million florins, just because of the income from her late husbands work. It was not the income thad made Mozart penniless. ;)

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  14. WTF are you talking about? by Funkysapien · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Riiiight.... and the abundance of those "muslim terroists", "turbin-headed children" and "women killers" in Hamburg and the whole of Germany explains the huge number of terroist attacks in Germany, doesn't it? Which is, by the way, ZERO for at least the last 10 years. Geez, what the hell are you talking about? And what is "the Bundesfraus" supposed to be? That word doesn't even exist in german language (and yes, german is my native language).