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Surviving in Space Without a Spacesuit

Geoffrey writes "The recent movie Sunshine features a scene (echoing the famous scene in 2001: a Space Odyssey) in which two astronauts have to cross from one ship to another without spacesuits. But, can you survive in space without a spacesuit? Morgan Smith, writing in Slate, asks whether this is realistic, and concludes: "Yes, for a very short time.""

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  1. SG-1 had a similar scene by smooth+wombat · · Score: 5, Informative

    In the episode where they were experimenting with a captured ship, T'lk and O'Neill were flung out to Jupiter and left without a way to get home.

    Carter's dad, herself and Daniel are able to rescue them but the two have to eject from their ship and float in space for a few seconds before the ring transport can be used.

    I do believe that the two had a spacesuit of some type on but not one that was designed for space. More of a general cover suit.

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    1. Re:SG-1 had a similar scene by d0rp · · Score: 3, Informative

      Also in an episode of Battlestar Galactica where the Cheif and Cally were trapped in a cargohold and they had to blow open the door and catch them with a Raptor.

    2. Re:SG-1 had a similar scene by Mr.Fork · · Score: 4, Informative

      Didn't Chief and his wife (Cally?) have to go into hyperbaric chambers? I think that is the most accurate portrayal of recovery from space exposure. Didn't Outlander as well with Sean O'Connery deal with this too? I think the guy exploded from the inside out from rapid decompression - but I think that could of been a little Hollywoodish.

      I think that the injuries the dude form Event Horizon also were pretty real too - his eyes were damaged, frost, and the bubbling of gas from his blood "the bends".

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    3. Re:SG-1 had a similar scene by evanbd · · Score: 3, Informative

      Your lungs can't contain the pressure if you try to hold your breath. And you can do a good enough job trying to destroy your lungs. I don't think you'd exactly explode, though.

    4. Re:SG-1 had a similar scene by thanatos_x · · Score: 4, Informative

      It really depends on how far away you are. I'd imagine anywhere much past earth and you aren't picking up a significant portion from the sun.

      Fortunately as the other poster mentioned, you have relatively little to worry about with the cold - although there is an extreme temperature difference, there's also a near vacuum, which makes heat transfer very difficult (it only happens through radiation, which may not be the kind you're thinking)

      The liquid on your skin would boil away, but it would boil at a very low temperature because of the low pressure. It's possible to have a pot of water boil at 33 degrees... (and probably much lower - look up a phase change diagram) Anyways, since the water on your skin would already be 'hot' enough to boil, I don't believe it would draw any heat from you.

      As far as the space station and heat/cooling, it's not the best example - everything depends on how it's positioned relative to the earth/sun. I'm sure it requires heating if the earth obscures the sun from it,and cooling if it's facing the sun... The lack of an atmosphere makes places like the moon change hundreds of degrees in minutes.

      Maybe that helps.

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  2. Imagine drowning if you couldn't hold your breath by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Informative
    This has been dealt with many times before and there is even a case of a NASA tech who was exposed to vacuum in 1966. He lost consciousness in about 12-14 seconds and was regained consciousness without injury after they restored pressure at about 30 seconds.

    The conscensus seems to be consciousness for 10-15 seconds, no serious injury for 60 seconds to 2 minutes.

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  3. 2001 Movie. by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Informative

    Well in 2001 Dave wasn't in open space. He put his ship right next to the hanger doors creating as much as an airtight seal he could then he opened the door and all the air left his ship and filled the hanger area giving some pressure for him so his head doesn't explode but the air was rapidly thinning because it wasn't completly air tight so he only had a couple of seconds to get in. He wasn't in openspace but a low pressure envrioment, with only a few seconds of useful time.

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  4. Space Activity Suit and more by OzPeter · · Score: 3, Informative

    The Space Activity Suit is basically the same as jumping out of an airlock, but with pressure protection for your head only. As they say in the wikipedia article - "skin itself is actually quite airtight"

    There was at least one sci-fi story back years ago where this jumping out into space thing was done. So it is not a new plot line.

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  5. Re:Imagine drowning if you couldn't hold your brea by tonsofpcs · · Score: 4, Informative

    It would take nearly forever for you to cool off that much, you would explode due to pressure differential long before you would cool down, as any cooling would be due to releasing radiant heat. There is neither conductive nor convective heat loss as there is nothing cooler than you there, as there is nothing but you.

  6. Re:Imagine drowning if you couldn't hold your brea by jschrod · · Score: 5, Informative
    From http://www.sff.net/people/Geoffrey.Landis/vacuum.h tml:

    Would You Freeze?

    No.

    A couple of recent Hollywood films showed people instantly freezing solid when exposed to vacuum. In one of these, the scientist character mentioned that the temperature was "minus 273"-- that is, absolute zero.

    But in a practical sense, space doesn't really have a temperature-- you can't measure a temperature on a vacuum, something that isn't there. The residual molecules that do exist aren't enough to have much of any effect. Space isn't "cold," it isn't "hot", it really isn't anything.

    What space is, though, is a very good insulator. (In fact, vacuum is the secret behind thermos bottles.) Astronauts tend to have more problem with overheating than keeping warm.

    If you were exposed to space without a spacesuit, your skin would most feel slightly cool, due to water evaporating off you skin, leading to a small amount of evaporative cooling. But you wouldn't freeze solid!

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  7. Yup, this was a major factor in the Apollo 1 fire by Solandri · · Score: 4, Informative

    but I believe some of the spacecraft used for the moon shots used the low-pressure environment.
    Correct. Apollo used a 100% oxygen atmosphere at a lower pressure (I think 3 psi, which approximates the partial pressure of oxygen in normal air at sea-level). When they tested Apollo 1 on the ground, they decided to use 100% oxygen. But because the test was at sea-level, it was 100% oxygen at sea-level pressure. 100% oxygen at 3 psi creates a fire which burns just like regular air at sea-level. 100% oxygen at sea-level pressure creates an inferno.
  8. Re:Imagine drowning if you couldn't hold your brea by pclminion · · Score: 5, Informative

    It would take nearly forever for you to cool off that much, you would explode due to pressure differential

    No, you would not. Standard air pressure is about 15 PSI. Thus, being in vacuum can never apply more than 15 PSI to your internal organs, unless you came from a substantially pressurized environment.

    SCUBA divers experience sudden pressure changes in the realm of 15 PSI all the time. They don't "explode," they just get the bends. It's something you want to avoid, definitely, but you aren't going to blow your guts just because the ambient pressure drops by 15 PSI.

  9. Re:15 seconds? by LandKurt · · Score: 3, Informative

    Not only does vacuum mean truly zero air in your lungs, but your lungs are now working in reverse and dumping all remaining oxygen in your bloodstream into the vacuum. In just five or ten seconds the blood supplied to your brain is completely devoid of oxygen. That's what gets you.

  10. ReJust luck none of the Mercury/Gemini burnt by redelm · · Score: 3, Informative
    Nope. Still can't use O2 at 3psia. No quench or blanketting effect from Nitrogen. Metals (esp aluminum) burns in 3 psia almost as fast as 14.7 . Plastics become similarly combustible.

    Combustion reaction kinetics aren't very pressure sensitive. Oxidant density is not controlling.

  11. Re:15 seconds? by Ihlosi · · Score: 4, Informative
    The lungs can't 'extract' oxygen from the blood, can they?

    Lungs can't extract anything. Gas exchange in the lungs is purely driven by diffusion, which moves gasses from areas with higher partial pressure to those with lower partial pressure.

    In Earths atmosphere, the partial pressure of CO2 in your blood is higher than in your lungs, so CO2 moves from your blood to the air in your lungs. The partial pressure of oxygen is higher in the air in your lungs than in your blood, so oxygen moves from the air into the blood (where it oxygenates the hemoglobin in your red blood cells, thereby keeping the partial pressure lower than it would be, allowing more oxygen to be taken up by the blood than would be possible if the oxygen simply went into solution).

  12. Re:Imagine drowning if you couldn't hold your brea by paeanblack · · Score: 4, Informative

    It would take nearly forever for you to cool off that much

    Convection and conduction will be negligible. Net loss by radiation in outer space will be on the order of 400-500W. That will drop the average body temperature about 5 C / hr. Your skin will be in bad shape pretty quickly, but it will take a day or so to turn you into a popsicle all the way through.

    The joker here is evaporative cooling. Depending on the moisture on/in your skin/mouth/lungs, the human body cooling rates can sustain 10-20KW in a total vacuum. This is fatal within minutes.

    The secret to staying warmer when you find yourself naked in space is to keep calm. You don't want to be sweating.

  13. Re:So why do astronauts bother with gloves? by modecx · · Score: 3, Informative

    1) The gloves are big and clunky because the suit is a positive pressure environment, they poof out (and apply resistance) to a degree proportional to the inside pressure. 2) While space isn't a cold or hot place (like other posters have said, you can't measure the temperature of nothing), there is an awful lot radiation in this part of our solar system--if you're not directly in the shadow of some object. So, space suit gloves, like the rest of the suit must have a shitload of insulation to keep the heat out. With the advent of better insulation, and skin tight suits that resist the pressure differential by mechanical means, suits will eventually become thinner, lighter and less clunky. Obviously, however, the hands present certain difficulties to space suit design, for many reasons.

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  14. Re:Imagine drowning if you couldn't hold your brea by bcattwoo · · Score: 4, Informative

    No. The pressure differential is all that matters. It makes no difference if the pressure differential is 30 PSI -> 15 PSI or 15 PSI -> 0 PSI.

    This isn't entirely true. Things are a little different as you begin to approach zero psi. At constant temperature, going from 30 to 15 psi, the volume of an ideal gas doubles. Going from 15 to 0 psi, the volume of an ideal gas goes to infinity.
  15. Re:Imagine drowning if you couldn't hold your brea by QuantumPion · · Score: 3, Informative

    There was an accident where divers in a decompression chamber were explosively decompressed from EIGHT atmospheres. Their bodies literally did explode, killing them instantly.

  16. SCUBA decompression is different by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 4, Informative
    When a SCUBA diver decompresses, the important numbers to whatch are not so much the actual pressures as the ratio between the saturated and new pressure. A 15 PSI (1 atmoshere) change is not a problem on its own, you get that by changing depth by 10m/33ft.

    You can approximately halve your saturated pressure withouth getting bends. In other words, if you have suturated to 30m (4 atm), you can rise to 10m (2 atm) without bends. If you go to the surface you're quartering your pressure which is a Bad Thing.

    I've done a lot of SCUBA, some of it at high altitude (over 6000 ft). At 6000 ft, the surface pressure is far lower, so the effective decompression becomes a lot more complicated. A dive to 65m is equivalent to diving to 80+m at sea level.

    In space (0 atm or thereabouts), the ratios become far harder to maintain and you would not want to be in 0atm for very long.

    Bends is not something you'd want to piss about with. I know a few people who have had mild bends, even had very mild bends myself, but I also know a person who had pretty severe bends when he ran out of air at 40m or so. He was in hospital for a week or so and struggled walking for many months. In more serious cases people have died due to tissue damage in major organs/brain.

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  17. No, that's not right. by TrekkieGod · · Score: 3, Informative

    No, she said not to hold your breath- she was right. That's why they were practically turning blue after only a few seconds.

    Actually, she did did say not to exhale. The episode was "Disaster", Season 5.

    Crusher: "Once the air is vented, the first thing you'll feel is an extreme pressure on your lungs. You have to resist the temptation to exhale.

    TrekkieGod to the rescue!

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