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American Red Cross Sued For Using a Red Cross

Swampash sends us a story that even this community may find hard to believe. Johnson & Johnson, the health-products giant that uses a red cross as its trademark, is suing the American Red Cross, demanding the charity halt its use of the red cross symbol on products it sells to the public. It seems J&J began using the trademark in 1887, 6 years after the Red Cross was formed, but 13 years before the charitable organization was chartered by Congress. Lately the ARC has begun licensing the symbol to third parties to use on fund-raising products such as home emergency kits.

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  1. I understand... by techpawn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You have to defend your trademark or lose it. But, come on this is a dog and pony show they WANT to people to look at J&J products and think "oh! the red cross!"

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    1. Re:I understand... by Pendersempai · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you'd RTFA, the ARC started enforcing its trademark against all kinds of other products, including nail clippers, humidifiers, sanitary hand lotion, and so on. They did this simply to extort money. Now, J&J is doing the same to the ARC. Turnabout is fair play, no? Or are non-profits permitted to engage in whatever obscene rent-seeking behavior they want just because they're non-profits?

    2. Re:I understand... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm just going to go the extra mile and whenever I see a J&J product I'll think, "Oh this product is from the company that sued the ARC. I think I'll go with brand X". Huh. I was seeing it the other way around. The Red Cross is *clearly* in the wrong on this one. Their charter is very clear, and J&J has them dead to rights. So I'll probably only buy J&J products for medical gear from now on. They're willing to call out the Red Cross and stand up for what's right, so I'll back 'em for that.
    3. Re:I understand... by JazzLad · · Score: 5, Insightful

      RTFA, they only have a problem with the COMMERCIAL USE of the cross, as per their agreement in the 1800's then ARC agreed to not use it that way. Now ARC sees that they can make some money letting someone make stuff with the cross on in & J&J is reminding them that this is a no-no.

      Just because a giant company is suing a non-profit does not necessarily mean the giant is wrong and the non-profit is right.

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    4. Re:I understand... by AVee · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "What about the rest of the planet that has been using a red cross as a medical & neutrality symbol for more than 50 years."

      Then why why why is the American Red Cross now using it as means to promote commercial products? Indeed an interesting case of "is nothing sacred"...

    5. Re:I understand... by rk · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I long ago determined that if I boycotted every company who did stuff that I find objectionable and/or reprehensible my only option would be to run off to the Yukon Territory and eat pine bark.

  2. ob by edittard · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Prior heart. As in Lion, Richard the.

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  3. Actually this case is legit by BitterAndDrunk · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Considering the Red Cross LICENSED the trademark to 4 different for profit medical device companies (i.e. J&J's competitors!)

    They didn't have the right to do that and that's why this is a case.

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  4. Re:J&J might not want to push this by TheNicestGuy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The red cross symbol has become synonymous with 'First Aid' in the public mind.

    Which is exactly why the Red Cross has been putting a lot of effort for years into tightening their grip on that mark. Let's be clear about something, people. I know the knee-jerk reaction is to root for the charitable organization over the big corporation, but I've got to point out a little hypocrisy on the part of the Red Cross president. I have never before seen a cease-and-desist letter from Johnson & Johnson for the use of this mark. I have, however, seen them from the Red Cross.

    Some years ago I worked for a company that publishes clip art collections. We maintained a list of "bad elements" that slipped into our sources because it didn't occur to the artists that they were protected by IP law, but that we had received legal notices about. The red cross was one of our biggest offenders (alongside Weber-shaped grills, Olympic rings, cars that looked too much like Beetles, etc.). It was the ARC, not Johnson & Johnson, that made work for me converting them all to puke green. (That's the standard IP-neutral first aid symbol now, by the way: a butt-ugly fluorescent green cross.) I'd often wondered how Johnson & Johnson got away with it, and figured they must have some sort of agreement since they'd both been using it for so long.

    So you're right that the defensibility of ownership for either of them is a little iffy, but the fact that I've started to see that horrible green in more places means that it's starting to become known that somebody owns it. My gut tells me that it's usually the ARC that people think of (or get letters from), but if they're now starting to directly compete in the market with Johnson & Johnson, who knows which way a judge or jury would go?

  5. News for who? by Kohath · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This news story seems to be off-topic from the stated mission of this site.

    If they want to change it from "News for Nerds" to "News for Anti-Corporate Bigots" or "News for Politically-Correct Drug Company Haters" then this would be a perfect story. It's even got the half-truths and misleading spin in the summary that seems to appeal to bigots and haters these days.

    How dare they try to protect their trademark anyway?

  6. You are missing the point. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You guys are missing the point about the Red Cross symbol.

    The Red Cross is internationally recognized as a neutral body. Specifically if it's marked with a red cross on a white background, attacking, defacing, or generally being a dick to it is an international war crime.

    This HAS to be protected. Period. There is no discussion on this matter -- the sanctity of the Red Cross / Crystal / Crescent is beyond paramount. These red cross workers have to be recognized internationally as neutral civilian aid workers, and any dilution of that isn't just sick and wrong, it's against international law.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Cross

    More specifically, the first Geneva Convention is the one that founded the Red Cross and defined it's emblem:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Geneva_Conventi on

    J&J is going up against the Geneva Convention and International law. They are is not going to win this.