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Dell Considers Bundling Virtualization on Mobos

castrox writes "Ars Technica is reporting that Dell may be considering bundling virtualization on some of their motherboards. No more dual boot or VMs inside the running OS? 'Any way you slice it, though, putting the hypervisor in a chunk of flash and letting it handle loading the OS is the way forward, especially for servers and probably even for enterprise desktops. Boot times, power consumption, security, and flexibility are all reasons to do this ... The big question is: which hypervisor will Dell bundle with its machines? Vance suggests hypervisors from XenSource and VMware as two options, but I think that VMware is the most likely candidate since it seems to be the x86 virtualization solution of choice for the moment. However, if Dell doesn't try too hard to lock it down, this system could easily be modified in an aftermarket fashion to include almost any hypervisor that could fit on the flash chip.'"

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  1. Overwhelming Support by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Dell's gonna have a hell of a time supporting these complex features while it's closing down its call centers.

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    1. Re:Overwhelming Support by Forge · · Score: 5, Informative

      Close.

      A few tips on calling Dell tech support if you are a competent engineer who diagnosed the problem before reporting it.

      1. For a home PC the techs are so incompetent that it's easier to just lie about the nature of the problem. I.e. If your hard drive is on the fritz, making rattly sounds and loosing data just say "The drive is completely dead. When I connect it the BIOS doesn't even admit that it's there".

      2. Gold support is better than economy or even silver, but not for the reasons on dell.com. It's better because they connect you to the most competent support guys almost immediately when you call the gold support line. Competent engineers know when they are speaking to an equal and will dispatch the required parts immediately. They also send out "just-in-case parts".

      3. Call late at night if your warranty allows it. The brightest tech support guys in Texas know that the graveyard shift is the best time to work. Less traffic on the commute, more pay and more time available for none work related tasks. Your shortest and most fruitful calls will be at 2:00 AM.

      4. Don't be afraid to hang up. I once had an external tape drive (PV 110T) that was bursting tapes whenever I initiated a backup. The tech support guy insisted that I must reboot the server so I could see if the drive shows up in the BIOS before he could go any further. I hung up, called back latter and got a brighter support guy who dispatched a replacement drive in around 5 minutes.

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    2. Re:Overwhelming Support by QuantumRiff · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The Roseburg, OR call center closure really pissed off the town.. They gave Dell an tax exemption, saving them $5mil over 5 years.. They also spent $1mil on other "incentives" and infrastructure upgrades to attract them to the area. As soon as that Tax exemption was over, they closed down the doors.. Just before, they made some of the best techs there go over seas and train their replacements.. The employees were told they were opening up an "additional" call center, not moving theirs.. Apparently, they also were a crappy tenant and trashed the building they were in...

      I don't think Dell is going to be selling many more PC's in southern Oregon for a while...

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  2. Top two possible misspellings: by Roadmaster · · Score: 3, Funny

    Dell considers bundling virtualization on mofos

    or

    Dell considers bundling virtualization on hobos

    not pretty either way.

  3. Re:Yes, but: So what? by Albanach · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In what way is this functionally different than the same hypervisor being installed on a bootable USB flash drive/IDE-attached CompactFlash card/[insert other stupid-simple method of booting from flash]?
    The difference is that it's a supported set up from a major manufacturer. That means that when you pay for 24x7x365 support you are not faced with being told that you've modified the hardware and they can't support your setup. Indeed if your flash card dies a sudden death, the Dell engineer

    can be there within four hours and should actually be carrying a spare.

    For a hobbyist at home I doubt there's much of a difference at all, but for folk paying big $$$ for enterprise solutions, this is probably very welcome.
  4. IBM does this on their iSeries by dagar · · Score: 4, Interesting

    IBM is already doing this on their iSeries (AS/400). In order to manage it you have to have a Hardware Management Console (an x86 xSeries machine running Linux and their management software). I really think that they have done a good job of the virtualization, it also lets IBM throttle back the CPU. We have a 1000CPW (IBM's performance index) machine that with the Power5 1.5Ghz processor is limited to 43% utilization. In order to get all 100% of the CPU (2400CPW), we would have to pay through the nose.

  5. reminds me of ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    DRM (Score:3, Insightful)
    by Frank T. Lofaro Jr. (142215) on Tuesday June 07, @05:12PM (#12751680)
    (http://www.linux.com/)

    They are doing this for DRM.

    Their Hypervisor will enforce DRM, so even linux can't override it.

    They'll make it so all device drivers must be signed to go into the
    Hypervisor which will be the only thing with any I/O privs that aren't
    virtualized.

    They'll make it so new hardware has closed interfaces and can only be
    supported by a driver at the Hypervisor level.

    Any drivers in any OS level won't be able to circumvent the DRM, since
    they'll just THINK they are talking to hardware, but will get virtual
    hardware instead - and the Hypervisor won't let it read any protected
    content through the virtual I/O, it will blank it out (e.g. all zero
    bytes from the "soundcard") or something similar.

    The drivers designed for the Hypervisor won't work in any higher level,
    since they'll need to do a crypographic handshake with the hardware to
    verify it is "real" and the hardware will also monitor bus activity so
    it'll know if any extraneous activity is occur (as it would if it was
    being virtualized).

    Everything will have a standard interface to the O/S, so Linux will still
    run but be very limited and slowed down - since only Windows will be
    allowed "preferred" access to hardware, other O/S will be deliberately
    crippled.

    They'll say you can still run Linux.

    Hardware manufacturers won't release specs, they'll say use the Hypervisor
    and you can still use Linux.

    You'll still need to buy Windows to use any hardware - Linux won't even
    boot on the raw hardware.

    MS doesn't care if Linux isn't killed - the above allows them lock in - no
    windows - your PC won't boot - since nothing but the Hypervisor will know
    how to talk to the IDE card, etc.

    What about manufacturers that want to support open interfaces, etc?
    Microsoft will deny them a key which they will need to talk to the
    Hypervisor - and the Hypervisor will refuse to talk to them.

    Support anything other than solely the Hypervisor and you can't use the
    Hypervisor. No Windows - lose too many sales.

    And they can say other O/S's are still allowed.

    They'll just not be able to give you freedom to use your hardware as you
    see fit (DRM, need to pay more to get software to unlock other features
    on your hardware), only Windows will run well, and you need a Windows
    license and Hypervisor for every PC or else it is unbootable.

  6. Please, do not make this the only option by querist · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This frightens me on so many levels that it is difficult to know where to start. Unless that hypervisor is burned into a non-rewritable form of storage (e.g. ROM), it will be subverted.

    As it has been demonstrated at Black Hat by the illustrious Ms. Rutowska, (as well as being fairly obvious to anyone familiar with hypervisors) a hypervisor is below the OS and can be impervious to the OS's probing, but it still lies between the OS and the hardware.

    Properly implemented, this could be a very good thing. With no disrespect intended toward Dell, I suspect that the first several implementations (at least) will leave the resulting systems vulnerable to subversion, and this subversion would be difficult, at best, to detect.

    This is an interesting concept, and it could be used for "good", but as the saying goes "the devil is in the details". The idea is good, it is the potential implementation that worries me.

    Full Disclosure: I have a Ph.D. (2006) in InfoSec.

  7. Re:Yes, but: So what? by Burz · · Score: 4, Informative

    Presumably having Dell's hypervisor load instantly at power-up could prevent other virtualizers from running, including hypervisor-based rootkits like Blue Pill.

  8. Reality check by Wesley+Felter · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Let's be clear; Dell is talking about servers with built-in hypervisors. Extrapolating these plans to desktop PCs is just unfounded speculation.

    Their Hypervisor will enforce DRM, so even linux can't override it.

    Servers don't care about DRM.

    They'll make it so all device drivers must be signed to go into the
    Hypervisor which will be the only thing with any I/O privs that aren't
    virtualized.


    OK, this is true. ESX requires special drivers.

    They'll make it so new hardware has closed interfaces and can only be
    supported by a driver at the Hypervisor level.


    On the contrary; Dell has been driving companies like Broadcom and Adaptec to open up and offer open source drivers. AFAIK the only reason we have the tg3 driver is because Dell told Broadcom to provide Linux drivers.