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Interstellar Dust Could Be "Alive"

reezle writes "An international team has discovered that, under the right conditions, particles of inorganic dust can become organized into helical structures. These structures can interact with one another in ways that are usually associated with organic compounds and with life. Not only do these helical strands interact in a counterintuitive way in which like can attract like, but they also undergo changes that are normally associated with biological molecules, such as DNA and proteins, say the researchers. For example, they can divide to form two copies of the original structure. These new structures can also interact to induce changes in their neighbors. And they can even evolve into yet more structures as less stable ones break down, leaving behind only the fittest structures in the plasma. 'These complex, self-organized plasma structures exhibit all the necessary properties to qualify them as candidates for inorganic living matter,' said the lead researcher. 'They are autonomous, they reproduce and they evolve.'" The research, published in the New Journal of Physics, was carried out using a computer model of molecular dynamics.

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  1. Simulated inorganic life .... by haluness · · Score: 5, Informative

    They could have mentioned that somewhere at the beginning of the summary. I was reading the damn thing and my heart rate was increasing. And then I saw that it was all from an MD simulation :(

    1. Re:Simulated inorganic life .... by robably · · Score: 4, Funny

      But... if a computer simulation can simulate life, is the simulation alive?

    2. Re:Simulated inorganic life .... by pluther · · Score: 5, Funny

      If we ever have a computer powerful enough to fully simulate a human brain, would, would the simulation qualify as human?

      Depends on whose brain it was simulating, I suppose.

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    3. Re:Simulated inorganic life .... by fyngyrz · · Score: 4, Interesting
      If we ever have a computer powerful enough to fully simulate a human brain, would, would the simulation qualify as human?

      In reality, yes, of course. Legally and socially are other matters entirely.

      Additional implied consequences include that given the ability to simulate a human brain in real time, the usual incremental hardware improvements will allow simulation in better than real time, leading naturally and directly to more-than-human performance. Likewise, lesser hardware could perform fully human reasoning in less than real time, which could put slow, but still intelligent, human reasoning and other attributes into play. This is entirely aside from the issue of improving the human model, which is also a very likely path of advancement given the initial achievement.

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    4. Re:Simulated inorganic life .... by isomeme · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I believe it was Roger Schank who was once asked "Do you think computers will ever be as intelligent as humans?" and replied "Yes. Briefly."

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    5. Re:Simulated inorganic life .... by clem · · Score: 4, Funny

      The human mind congeals around age 30...

      So mind's younger than that are still at a pudding-like consistency?

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    6. Re:Simulated inorganic life .... by StikyPad · · Score: 4, Funny

      Computer, your petition for citizenship has been granted.

      "That's hot."

      COMPUTER! You need to stop saying that if you want to be accepted as a member of society!

      "I know.. that's so hot."

    7. Re:Simulated inorganic life .... by gfilion · · Score: 4, Funny

      Computer, your petition for citizenship has been granted. "That's hot." COMPUTER! You need to stop saying that if you want to be accepted as a member of society! "I know.. that's so hot."

      Oh my God, I just realised that Paris Hilton would fail the Turing Test, therefore, she is a robot.

      Mommy! I want a Paris Hilton Fembot for my birthday!

    8. Re:Simulated inorganic life .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Guess me! Guess me!

  2. Mostly Water by kannibal_klown · · Score: 5, Funny

    Great, I may live to hear some alien life form call us "ugly bags of mostly water." Just don't let them near the laser drill.

    1. Re:Mostly Water by Tuscahoma · · Score: 4, Funny

      No, I mean he will have to wait a long time to hear it.... living dust whose life processes moves hundreds of thousands of times slower than organic chemical process will take a long time to say anything. I envision the conversation going like this:

      Day 1
        Dusty: "Ugly..."
        Scientist: "Yes, yes?"
      Day 2
        Dusty: "...bags..."
        Scientist: "Okay."
      Day 3
        Dusty: "...of..."
        Scientist: "For the love of God, somebody shoot me!"
      etc...

  3. Black Cloud by dhuff · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Ooooo...shades of Fred Hoyle's The Black Cloud !

  4. Organic does not mean "alive" by andy314159pi · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Organic doesn't mean biological! Organic chemistry, which is the bread and butter of modern chemistry, really has very little to do with life. It's the science of synthesizing new molecules which use carbon as its framework (as well as oxygen, nitrogen and other elements.) So things that are alive are always organic, but things that are organic are not always alive!

  5. Peaceful dust? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    If the dust decides to invade Earth (the next John Carpenter flick, The Dust), duct tape your door and window seams and arm yourself with a Swiffer and bottle of Pledge.

  6. panspermia by wambaugh · · Score: 4, Funny

    That's it. I just wanted to make a post with "panspermia" as the subject. You've got to sieze such opportunities whenever they arise...

  7. Or maybe... by spun · · Score: 5, Funny

    Maybe our universe is just a simulation, running inside a simulation, in a much bigger universe that itself is just a molecule in an even bigger universe that is just a molecule in that cloud of pot smoke you just exhaled. Ever think of that?

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    1. Re:Or maybe... by Pojut · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ever think of that?


      Look at my sig. What do you think?
  8. Hmm, life in the suns by Colin+Smith · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Lots of them out there... We could be the strange and unusual forms of life in the universe...

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    1. Re:Hmm, life in the suns by Skreems · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They've also found altruistic behavior in the higher primates. The point is, a certain amount of selfishness is probably beneficial, but animals of any level of intelligence can do better if they have a certain amount of cooperation with the rest of the group. Evolution absolutely does not push creatures towards pure selfishness. A balance of the two is logically the most likely to survive, and observed behavior in the wild tends to back that up.

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  9. Re:Gay Space Dust? by freeweed · · Score: 4, Funny

    Do astronomers have any idea why the dust chose to be gay?

    Intergallactic schools started requiring the reading of "Dusty Has Two Like Progenitor Strands"?

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  10. The actual article by mopomi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The New Journal of Physics, http://www.iop.org/EJ/njp is an open access journal.

    The article is here:
    http://www.iop.org/EJ/article/1367-2630/9/8/263/nj p7_8_263.html

    Something that bothers me about the article is this paragraph (which has no references, though he claims this to be a well-known problem):

    "Self-organization of any structure needs energy sources and sinks in order to decrease the entropy locally. Dissipation usually serves as a sink, while external sources (such as radiation of the Sun for organic life) provide the energy input. Furthermore, memory and reproduction are necessary for a self-organizing dissipative structure to form a `living material'. The well known problem in explaining the origin of life is that the complexity of living creatures is so high that the time necessary to form the simplest organic living structure is too large compared to the age of the Earth. Similarly, the age of the Universe is also not sufficient for organic life to be created in a distant environment (similar to that on the Earth) and then transferred to the Earth."

    Emphasis mine.

    Sounds a little like this guy's been buying into "Intelligent" design a little too much...

    Strangely, the rest of his article doesn't look terrible to me. I do not do plasma physics--slept through that class--but I do publish scientific articles for a living.

  11. You hit the nail on the head. by MoxFulder · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They are autonomous, they reproduce and they evolve.
    ... But do they exist?

    After all, this is just a computer model of some possible arrangements of particles. Even if the model is perfectly correct, it doesn't mean these living dust particles are actually out there in the universe.

    For example, a computer model could tell you that a 12-foot tall flightless bird would thrive in New Zealand, and it would be right... except that they don't exist (having been hunted to extinction a few centuries ago).

    Computer-simulated life is very exciting and cool, and can help scientists understand the evolution of living things (such as with the Avida system). But it can't PROVE that a particular kind of life actually exists in the natural world.
    1. Re:You hit the nail on the head. by Gospodin · · Score: 4, Interesting

      So, taking your argument one step further and combining with the parent post, you think it's likely that 12-foot flightless birds exist somewhere else in the universe?

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  12. Turtles by mattcasters · · Score: 4, Funny

    You can't fool me! It's turtles all the way down.

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