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RIAA Defendant Cross-Sues Kazaa And AOL

NewYorkCountryLawyer writes "In what appears to be a first, RIAA defendant Michelle Santangelo, the 20-year old daughter of Patti Santangelo, has made a motion for leave to serve a third party complaint against Kazaa and AOL, as well as against someone who installed Kazaa software, in Elektra v. Santangelo II. Her proposed third-party complaint (pdf) alleges that any injuries plaintiffs might have sustained were the result of the third party defendants' "negligence and breaches... in the defective design of Sharman Network's program, "Kazaa" which was a dangerous instrumentality in its each and every use as it existed in 2002-2004; the trespassing and reckless installation by Matthew Seckler [the person who allegedly installed the software without authorization] of such program; the failure to warn by AOL and Sharman; the failure to block the downloading of such files by AOL; the improper blocking of alleged (RIAA) warning messages by AOL and Sharman; and, the secretive file sharing system of and by Kazaa.""

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  1. Definition of EULA (from the complaint) by whoever57 · · Score: 4, Funny

    1 "End User License Agreement," a contract of adhesion, abominably long, written in tiny print, which no one reads.

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    1. Re:Definition of EULA (from the complaint) by orkysoft · · Score: 2, Funny

      contract of adhesion

      You mean they use it to stick it to you?

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  2. Re:Oh, for the love of... by Tomy · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Tuez-les tous; Dieu reconnaitra les siens."

    To paraphrase, "Sue 'em all, let the courts sort it out."

  3. Unlike the previous posters to this thread.. by GeneralEmergency · · Score: 4, Funny


    ...I think this is an interesting legal strategy. This appears to me to be a tactic to grow this case exponentially in size and thus cost, complexity and duration.

    Let 'em litigate this for 3 years.

    I'm only surprised that they didn't assert that the plaintffs are partially liable for continuing to publish DRM free CDs long past the point when they knew that tools and techniques existed which permitted these tracks to be ripped and shared.

    Hmmm...I'm still wondering if that last paragraph of mine is a joke or not.

    With lawyers involved, I suppose you never can tell.

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  4. She forgot.... by toppavak · · Score: 5, Funny

    to sue Microsoft because Windows allowed the installation of software such as Kazaa and the manufacturer of her computer for allowing the installation of a Windows that allowed the installation of Kazaa and the local power company for permitting the operation of a computer which allowed the.... oh you get the point

  5. RIAA should hire the wench by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    She's obviously proved she has what it takes to work for the RIAA.

  6. All part of the master plan... by RingDev · · Score: 3, Funny

    1) Extend the trial
    2) Sue for legal expenses
    3) Gouge Elektra for $200,000 due to extra court costs due to motions
    4) ...
    5) Profit

    Step 4 has something to do with getting the lawyer who just got a $200,000 paycheck to cut you in on the deal ;)

    -Rick

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  7. Re:It wasn't me, it was the software by QuantumG · · Score: 3, Funny

    It varies from state to state. In most, though, you're looking at a fine, not jail time, and common areas are considered everyone's responsibility, not no-one's responsibility. Obviously if they find drugs in your roommate's room, not in yours, then you're clear.

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  8. Oh and lets not forget to include... by xednieht · · Score: 2, Funny

    the uncle's brother's cousin's (twice removed) baby-sitter's father's dog's groomer's great grandfather who forgot to wear his jimmy cap and thus led to the conception of someone.

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  9. Re:Rights Based Society by RealGrouchy · · Score: 2, Funny

    As I said, interesting... According to you, maybe.

    According to the /. mods, it's only 20% Interesting. Luckily for you, it's also 50% Insightful and 30% Informative, though!

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  10. Re:Oh I get it by anagama · · Score: 4, Funny

    Perhaps you are in school. That 10 page paper you wrote after spending 10 hours in the library, 5 hours in writing, and 3 in revising, is worth about 0.7 cents per page in paper costs ($3.50/500 page ream) and 1.14 cents in toner per page ($200 cart @ 17.5k pages) for a grand total of 1.84 cents per page. Your paper is worth just over 18 cents. That means your time is worth 1/100th of a cent per hour. In a few years, you might graduate and your work might be worth 2 or even 3 times as much.

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  11. Re:It wasn't me, it was the software by justinlee37 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I probably don't have to worry about this, anyway, my music library isn't exactly brimming with a bunch of hot-ticket RIAA acts, I ... don't like shitty music.

  12. Re:Rights Based Society by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    And half the time Windows hides those icons anyhow.

    Ah-ha! So it's Microsoft's fault after all! I am so suing Balmer...

  13. Re:Rights Based Society by Alsee · · Score: 4, Funny

    it's got about 25 tiny inscrutible icons down there, the only one they've figured out is the clock

    Holy shit! Those little numbers in the corner are a clock?
    Daaaaamn! You're right! The numbers in the corner of my computer are almost the same as the numbers on the front of my cable box! That's neat!
    I'm really starting to get into this computer stuff. I learn something new almost every month.

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  14. Re:WTF??? by mcrbids · · Score: 2, Funny


    To use your car analogy (usually a bad idea), Chrysler sells the car with a parental control which they claim will keep your kids out of trouble and your kids are stopped doing 100mph in a school zone, does Chrysler have any liability?


    I like bad car analogies. They usually clarify a point that nobody intended to make, while hiding the fact that nobody has any clue what you are talking about. I think the analogy here would be more like:

    Chrysler sells the car with a parental control which they claim will keep your kids out of trouble. But the kids use the car to listen to rap music and get bad ideas in their head. They go down the street and shoot the neighbors cat. The neighbor is a medical marijuana user, whose stash was just stolen, and is just itching to call the police, except that getting the police to enforce the theft of medical marijuana might be difficult.

    And the neighbor across the street is an alcoholic, and everybody knows, but nobody says anything to the neighbor. Both drive an older Chevrolet, one blue, one green.

    When they are both drunk or stoned, they sometimes get into the wrong car and wonder why their key doesn't work.

    Sorry... what was the point again?

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  15. Re:It wasn't me, it was the software by moj0joj0 · · Score: 2, Funny

    A similar situation happened to me, I was discussing CounterStrike tactics with a friend at a party and another "friend" overheard and called the police. They charged me with conspiracy to commit capital murder. It took 3 years and over $13,000 in legal fees and $25,000 for bail. Don't be fooled, the phrase isn't innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, it is guilty until proven innocent beyond a shadow of a doubt. It eventually worked out for me, but within six months my buddy plead out and took a felony and 5 years supervised probation. We have never played a FPS since then and I never talk to people about those games in a public environment.

  16. Re:It wasn't me, it was the software by MBGMorden · · Score: 2, Funny

    There are certain factors (of which I'm not totally aware of all of them) that can allow immediate entrance without a warrant. Do you honestly think if they walk past a door and hear a woman screaming "Help he's killing me!" they're gonna respond "Hold on ma'am! We'll be right back with a warrant!". ;)

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  17. Re:Rights Based Society by Razed+By+TV · · Score: 2, Funny

    The numbers in the corner of my computer are almost the same as the numbers on the front of my cable box! The numbers in the corner of your computer screen keep flashing 12:00 12:00 12:00?