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A Talk With Opera CEO

With several new areas of expansion for Opera The Register took a few minutes to talk to Opera CEO Jon von Tetzchner. The interview addresses several of the most recent news items on the Opera front including, the adoption to Nintendo's Wii console, several advocates switching to Firefox, and others. "We just try to focus on our side. We've always focused on a somewhat richer interface. We've had a lot of negative comments ourselves over the years; for example, when we introduced tabbed browsing a lot of people said it doesn't make sense. We've introduced things like zooming, mouse gestures and the like - and we find they find their way into other browsers; tabs found their way into IE7. We are being copied, but we would like to focus on features and giving users a good experience."

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  1. Link to Page 1 of article by AskChopper · · Score: 5, Informative

    The above URL links to page 3 of the article. Here's the fist page http://www.theregister.com/2007/08/18/opera_ceo_in terview/

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  2. Firefox tabs by WK2 · · Score: 5, Funny

    We've introduced things like [tabs] - and we find they find their way into other browsers; tabs found their way into IE7. We are being copied...

    Translation: We did tabs, damnit! Not Firefox! I repeat: Firefox did not do tabs first! It was us!!

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    1. Re:Firefox tabs by LWATCDR · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Not one item from the list looks like from outer space - all are concepts which any monkey can bring into a browser. "

      Yea.. Sure they do.
      Everything is easy once someone else does it.

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    2. Re:Firefox tabs by ggvaidya · · Score: 5, Informative

      If he doesn't like the deal he's getting these days, perhaps he should start patenting stuff or quit the software business [...]
      ... which is right about the point where I stop using their browsers, I guess. I love Opera, and one of my major reasons for doing so is that it's a well-engineered product made by a company which has always been pretty good "corporate citizens". Yes, they have strange ideas about design and advertising, but they make good products, run a sustainable business, give me a very decent browser for free, support said browser at no extra cost, and are very good at coming up with interesting new features, which have a much better record than most other software I use as being completely "fleshed out". They're also "good geeks": they don't go nuts patenting things, are pretty okay with other companies reusing and building on their ideas, allow you to download early tech previews of their software for testing and feedback, and have their browser primed for the kind of people who like having a couple of dozen tabs open at any one time - i.e. the sort who are much too fond of Wikipedia for their own good. Also, that bit you quote doesn't sound (in context) like sour grapes: Jon is pointing out that one of Opera's biggest strengths is coming up with innovative features, including mouse gestures and tabs (innovative half a decade ago). Opera 9 has several new features such as Speed Dial and Thumbnail Preview, which made things easier for me within hours of installing, so I'd say they're still doing a great job on that front.

      Speaking of which, I checked Wikipedia on the mouse gestures bit; Konqueror's doesn't say when it got mouse gestures, but the mouse gestures page says Opera has had them "since version 5.11 (April 2001)", when KDE was at version 2.1. So if you can figure out when Konqueror got mouse gestures, you'll have your answer. Anecdotally, I found what might be the original patch for Opera mouse gestures in Konqueror, which would support Jon's idea of Opera as the originator.

      Cheers!
    3. Re:Firefox tabs by Lord+Kano · · Score: 5, Funny

      Everything is easy once someone else does it.

      That's what I say about female college Freshmen.

      LK

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    4. Re:Firefox tabs by ceeam · · Score: 4, Informative

      Tabs or no tabs but Opera had an MDI browser back in ~1994.

    5. Re:Firefox tabs by jlarocco · · Score: 5, Informative

      I mean who the hell was actually willing to use an operating system with adware built into it (or spend 30 dollars)? Not trying to troll, just stating that Opera started off with a terrible strategy, and they are paying for it now in the desktop market.

      I don't know if you've noticed, but Opera isn't going for a massive userbase on PCs. Unlike Firefox, they actually have to pay their developers. And unlike Internet Explorer, they don't have a huge operating system and office suite monopoly to subsidize browser development. Opera making a huge push for PC market share wouldn't make sense, and they'd go out of business.

      Their cash cow is mobile and embedded browsers, and that's what they focus on. Fortunately for those of us who use the PC version of Opera, their code is portable enough to run on desktops also.

      Making their desktop browser available for free probably had more to do with publicizing the Opera name than it did with competing with Firefox and IE.

  3. maybe it's a naming problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    In Russia, Ukraine and in Northern and East European countries we have between five per cent and 10 per cent, and some above 10 per cent share; Japan similar.

    Trouble is, in America most people think that going to the opera is for losers. Maybe they should call it "Rock 'n Roll Browser" in the US.

    1. Re:maybe it's a naming problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I think a lot of the hatred for Opera stems from the fact that they messed up the cool naming scheme for major browsers. First you discover somewhere, then you explore it, then you conquer it, then you go there for fun. Navigator -> Explorer -> Konqueror -> Safari. I think it bodes well for the browser I'm developing right now, OverdevelopedHolidayResort.

  4. Can't use IE, Firefox, or Safari by wickerprints · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Just a few days ago, I had the existing AT&T DSL service switched over to my name. Although I didn't need new equipment, AT&T said they needed to disconnect the service for four days, after which it would take an additional four days after registration under my name to reconnect the same service. Because they didn't send me any hardware, I never received an installation CD. (Not that I ever intended to defile my system with their awful installer.) When I called up AT&T tech support, the woman was relatively clueless--I pretty much walked myself through the process. But there was one hitch: Using either Firefox or Safari (IE was discontinued for the Mac), I could not register a new DSL username in their system. The hardware and network setup were working perfectly; something about AT&T's (aka Yahoo!/SBC) online registration system, however, required that I use IE. And as a long-time Apple user, I would switch to cable modem before I'd install "malware" on my machine. It then came to me to try Opera. I downloaded a copy on my PowerBook through a nearby free access point (I love that place--best danishes I've ever had). And it worked. Obviously, AT&T is to blame, but am I ever relieved that Opera came through for me. Granted, I've gone back to using Firefox, but just in case, I've kept Opera on my system.

  5. Re:Are they really making money off Opera? by bigbigbison · · Score: 5, Informative

    They have multiple income streams. As noted in the interview, Opera, like Firefox, makes money from google and other search engines.

    And, as the browser for the Wii and the DS, I'm sure that Nintendo is giving them a nice amount of money.

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  6. Re:Speed by larry+bagina · · Score: 5, Informative

    I've heard opera's javascript interpreter was supposed to be fast. So, I just did a quick, totally non scientific (only one run, other minor activity in the background, etc) of a the slickspeed selector test, which tests various javascript libraries for their speed/accuracy. This was performed on Windows XP:

    Opera (9.20/ build 8771)
    246 : 3409 : 244 : 413 : 2518 : 329
    Safari (3.0.3 / build 522.15.5)
    322 : 1966 : 347 : 360 : 2488 : 519
    Firefox (2.0.0.6) -- two times, second was with firebug enabled
    397 : 10833 : 409 : 2569 : 14535 : 1100
    423 : 14059 : 429 : 5188 : 14426 : 3352
    ie (6.029)
    4695 : 8536 : 3393 : 2379 : 17856 : 1890

    Smaller numbers are faster, so opera is faster (in this test) than firefox. The toolkits, btw, are prototype, iQuery, mootools, ext, cssQuery, and dojoQuery).

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  7. Re:Speed by Lisandro · · Score: 5, Insightful

    it might be because opera needs qt libraries.

    I dunno... i use Opera 9.23 with QT compiled statically (on Linux using XFCE) and it runs quite snappier than Firefox, specially on startup/shutdown.

    I'm starting to sound like a broken record on this subject, i know :) But, AFAIK, Opera is today the most useable browser out there. I like Firefox a lot, but Opera is still far superior, specially when it comes to user interfase, speed, and memory footprint.

  8. I always enjoy interviews with Jon Von Tetzchner by intx13 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I always enjoy interviews with Jon Von Tetzchner - he comes across as a very forthright, positive, motivated CEO - and he's pretty good natured to boot. Contrast that with recent interviews with Linus, who's opinion on certain matters everyone respects but comes across a bit too sassy to make an enjoyable read, or major company CEOs, who sound more like company brochures than people.

    I used to use Firefox over Opera because I could install Firefox with one command under Linux. Now that Opera is available in the same way, I find that I still choose Firefox, mostly because it's what I'm used to. I feel like Opera is just a tad too late to the party to really take off in a big way - had they made their product as easy to get and as visible as Firefox way back when (what with a website that auto-detects the correct package and provides a big easy-to-click button, prepackaged binaries for Linux, advertising, etc.) the bite marks in IE could be twice as big as they are now. Of course this doesn't mean that Opera has no chance - the world is plenty big enough for three or four major browsers - and they're certainly making a dent in the off-PC market.

    Good luck to them, and the next time Firefox fails to download quite as promptly as I like maybe I'll give Opera another go! In the meantime, just keep getting interviews like this one out there and visible and Opera will keep growing.

  9. Re:The only thing stopping me from using Opera by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
  10. Re:Translation: Theenking ooootseede-a zee Oopera by reanjr · · Score: 5, Informative

    You are probably not aware that after MS changed one of their sites to specifically break Opera, Opera released a "version" that turned that site into Swedish Chef talk. The GP was making reference to that. Probably could have made his point with only a few paragraphs, but it is humorous to those with the requisite background knowledge to understand the joke.

  11. Re:Translation: Theenking ooootseede-a zee Oopera by chuckymonkey · · Score: 4, Funny

    Holy huge wall of unintelligible text. You must be a Perl coder.

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  12. FFS by empaler · · Score: 4, Informative
    From the top of the linked page (to which you don't offer any text, only a straight URL):

    A polite request
    Please stop posting this article on sites like Slashdot, Digg, newspapers, etc. It is old news. This article is around 2 years old now (although it has been kept up to date), and has been retired - posting it simply shows how long it took you to find it. It has already been posted on Slashdot enough times, Digg more than enough times, similar sites more times than I can count, as well as newspaper sites all around the world, and far more blogs than I will ever be able to read.

    I thank you for your attention, and I am very happy that you found this article interesting or useful enough to read. However, it really does not need you to post it yet again - all you will do is eat my bandwidth, and I ask you not to do that.
  13. Tabbed Browsing by Dog-Cow · · Score: 4, Informative

    It really annoys me when people claim that Opera or Mozilla introduced tabbed browsing. I know /. will love to hear it, but AOL was the first that I've seen. Their GNN browser in the early 90's had tabbed browsing. It was even able to load multiple tabs at once on Windows 3.1, an OS w/o threads. I remember having a dozen or more tabs open at once, several of them loading simultaneously, on a machine with 4MB of ram.

  14. Firefox user, in process of Opera switch by Tronster · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I currently run Firefox on my home PC, home Mac, home Mac-mini, and wife's computer.

    Just last week I switched to Opera at work, after learning one of my, well respected, co-workers was using it for browsing. Ever year or so I'd done a "switch" for a day, but always went back to Firefox. I think this time the switch to Opera is going to stay.

    Seems Opera is on par to all the features I've come to rely on in Firefox (tabs, mouse gestures, adblocking, tabbed download info), except that they are all baked into the browser instead of needing to be added in. The tight integration, shows in many subtle ways (e.g., where options are presented in the menus, etc...) that makes the overall product feel more polished. The smaller memory foot-print, faster (perceived?) UI response, and better standards compliance all make me feel more comfortable than the browser I've been advocating to friends the last 7+ years.

    The lack of Open Source use to bug me, but not any more; I don't see myself ever becoming involved in the source code. I truely believe the money behind Opera is what has contributed to it being such a great product.

    - Built in tabs (I don't care who was first, I care if there are tabs in the current version.)
    - Built in tabbed download status
    - Built in mouse gestures
    - Built in ad-blocking
    - Built in FULL full screen
    - Built in "Speed Dial" feature (neat idea!)
    - Better CSS2 compliance than Firefox or IE
    - A solid bookmark manager
    - Smaller (than Firefox) memory footprint

    Another week of test driving this at work, and then my home computers are switching over too.