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Google Earth Gets Star-Gazing Add On

Tom F writes to mention BBC News is reporting that Google has released a new add on for Google Earth that will allow users to search a 3D rendition of over 1 million stars and 200 million galaxies called Google Sky. "Optional layers allow users to explore images from the Hubble Space Telescope as well as animations of lunar cycles. [...] Users can overlay the night sky with other information such as galaxies, constellations and detailed images from the Hubble Space Telescope. Imagery for the system came from six research institutions including the Digital Sky Survey Consortium, the Palomar Observatory in California and the United Kingdom Astronomy Technology Centre. "

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  1. sounds... by cosmocain · · Score: 4, Informative

    ...a bit like this? except for open source. hu. now, what should motivate me using the google-tool?

    1. Re:sounds... by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Stellarium doesn't integrate with maps of the world, that's why. With Stellarium, you specify your location in Lat./Lon. or you specify the location of a known observatory. Then it will show you what the sky will look like at the specified (or current) time of day. With Google Earth, it would be easy to see where the stars are in the sky from anywhere on the planet.

    2. Re:sounds... by gardyloo · · Score: 1

      Er... didn't make it to the bottom of the article?

    3. Re:sounds... by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Google allows you to overlay a map of the nearest Starbucks on the night sky.

    4. Re:sounds... by AnswerIs42 · · Score: 1

      There is also Celestia

    5. Re:sounds... by mattdev121 · · Score: 1

      Stellarium's granularity when searching for home locations is close enough to get most major and minor cities worldwide. I'll definitely be checking out the google product, but stellarium is a very well done, mature program.

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    6. Re:sounds... by ajs · · Score: 3, Informative

      Stellarium doesn't integrate with maps of the world, that's why. With Stellarium, you specify your location in Lat./Lon. or you specify the location of a known observatory. Then it will show you what the sky will look like at the specified (or current) time of day. With Google Earth, it would be easy to see where the stars are in the sky from anywhere on the planet. I think you phrased that poorly. Stellarium lets you see the sky from any point on earth, but you might find yourself using Google Maps (and/or Google Earth) to locate your point on earth. This is a fair point, but one that's moot after the first time you fire up Stellarium.

      Another tool that's useful is celestia, a tool for displaying the known universe in 3D, and navigating through it. It's a nice compliment to stellarium, and I recommend both tools highly. To see what celestia is capable of, fire it up and press "d" for the demo. It's definitely one of those "oooh, ahhh" moments.

    7. Re:sounds... by ajs · · Score: 1

      I'll wait and see what the Google tool provides. Perhaps it will have some nice features that stellarium doesn't. I'd also like to see the data they provide (stellarium's data isn't all that comprehensive).

      One thing about stellarium that I love, though, is the red-filter. When you turn it on, the entire display is tinted red so that you can use it on a laptop while star-gazing without ruining your night vision. Very handy for star-spotting.

    8. Re:sounds... by bcrowell · · Score: 3, Informative

      Some free-as-in-something possibilities that either run on linux or are web-based:

      • YourSky - This is a very elaborate and sophisticated web-based service that makes star charts; free as in beer, but not open-source
      • PlanetFinder - A java applet I wrote that concentrates on ease of use; good for figuring out what you're seeing with your naked eyes, or for planning observations, e.g., when is Mars going to rise so I can point my telescope at it?
      • Stellarium - cool photorealistic planetarium (computer-generated images, as opposed to maps or photos); FOSS
      • Celestia - lets you fly around the universe in 3d; FOSS
      • Xephem - Sky maps. Free as in beer. Has some really nasty licensing issues. I used to use it a lot, and it worked great, but it's no longer available as a Debian package.

      Note that they all do different things. They're not interchangeable.

    9. Re:sounds... by sgholt · · Score: 1

      Another application you might try is Digital Universe by the Hayden Planetarium...
      http://haydenplanetarium.org/
      Available for Windows and Linux...

    10. Re:sounds... by Bombula · · Score: 1
      It really isn't like Stellarium or Cellestia at all. Google Sky doesn't allow you to navigate in 3D as if you're traveling through the universe. It allows you to zoom in on certain parts of the sky as if you're looking at them through a telescope. And it's all real imagery, nothing is rendered. As fun as those other programs are, to me it is much more awe-inspiring to see the 'real' stuff. Google Sky has also done a pretty good job of mapping lots of objects in there, although their object search tool could use some work, considering that it is Google after all.

      The fact that this is attached to Google Earth is really more of an interesting aside than anything else. Yes, it's handy to be able to know what view of the sky you'll have from a certain point on earth. But it's what's IN the sky that's so interesting - at least to me. I spent 30 seconds enjoying the "wow, this is what the sky will look like from my house" feature, and a couple of hours zooming in and out on objects in the sky itself. The charting of the moon and planet's paths through the zodiacal arc is pretty cool too, though the tool is slightly cumbersome and the animation could use some work.

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    11. Re:sounds... by Tacvek · · Score: 1

      Google Earth has had the ability to look up into the sky for a while now. It has also had data to calculate the stars positions at a given time.

      But This feature chooses not to re-use this at all! This is a whole set of data layers that works similarly but not identical to the data layers on earth.

      The program does not look to be useful as a general astronomy program. It does even give information about the moon's position at any given time. (You have a limited system for animating the moon/planets positions, but only during a preselected time period.)

      Basically, the sky system is only a gimmick.

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    12. Re:sounds... by bcrowell · · Score: 1

      I tried it, and have a very negative first impression. It's not open-source, has a very restrictive click-through license, and the Linux version that I tried has one of the worst GUI interfaces I've ever seen -- totally unintelligible.

    13. Re:sounds... by sgholt · · Score: 1

      Agreed it is rather confusing application...but it does give you a very humbling view of our galaxy in relationship to the the rest of the universe. :)

    14. Re:sounds... by pugugly · · Score: 1

      My work computer isn't the latest and greatest, but it's not bad - and this absolutely kills it.

      It looks like this has some interesting stuff that I would like to see incorporated into Celestia, but as it stands, Celestia wins on the simple basis of usability.

      Pug

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    15. Re:sounds... by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Stellarium doesn't integrate with maps of the world, that's why. With Stellarium, you specify your location in Lat./Lon. or you specify the location of a known observatory.
      Hmmm, I get the feeling that you think that knowing your present latitude and longitude is some sort of a problem. Maybe it's just a consequence of my having to deal with geographical data on a day-to-day basis, maybe it's because I've been a mountaineer for nearly thirty years, may be it's because I work out at sea regularly, maybe it's because I'm of the mindset that thinks the Degree Confluence Project is a fun idea ... whatever the reason, I have a job understanding that someone can not know where they are at any particular time. OK, I'll cede that there are technical grounds for having a GPS (it's part of my work), but even without GPS technology a person ought to know where they are - to a close approximation - at any time that they're not actually a passenger in transit. Concerning people who can get lost, I have to take Marvin's answer : it gives me a headache thinking down to that level. 57N 2W at the moment, and not too far from here. In practical terms - most people can't tell their latitude from the stars at all, and without instruments of some sort you'd be really hard-pushed to be more accurately than +/- 10 anyway. But you'd have your orientation within a matter of minutes in most places. More vexing than that though : why doesn't Slashdot's rendering handle the "degree" HTML entity?
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  2. Let's hope... by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 1

    Let's hope that its as useful (eventually) to amateurs as google earth is to geologists.

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    1. Re:Let's hope... by chr.vinter · · Score: 1

      I don't think it will compared to the other tools, since (as far as I can see from TFA) it does not allow the user to change the time of observation. This is an absolute must for amateur astronomers planning an observing run. You also want to be able to ask where this or that object is, when it will be visible, what declination it will have at any time, how far from the Moon and Sun it will be and so much more. It will be fun for regular Google Earth users, but amateur and professional astronomers will need more.

    2. Re:Let's hope... by D-Cypell · · Score: 3, Funny

      ...or google images is to perverts.

    3. Re:Let's hope... by Opportunist · · Score: 0

      Huh? I thought they're doing some sort of filtering of illegal stuff? I mean, I didn't try it but I'd assume... wouldn't they be liable?

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    4. Re:Let's hope... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your link should be to google images

    5. Re:Let's hope... by Jugalator · · Score: 1

      It would be cool if it was made at least as powerful as Celestia.

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    6. Re:Let's hope... by Liquidrage · · Score: 1

      It might be useful in getting people to become "amatures".
      But speaking as an amature astronomer myself I wouldn't consider it useful. Fun maybe and worth looking at but not very useful.

      Cartes du Ciel, now that is useful for amatures. The astronomy world is one where free software abounds and simple machined pieces of metal can cost a few hundred dollars.
      http://www.stargazing.net/astropc/

    7. Re:Let's hope... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The do filter illegal stuff, but of course, not all perversions are illegal.

    8. Re:Let's hope... by Fastolfe · · Score: 1

      You can adjust the date and time within the Sky mode.

  3. Another suggestion by Sierpinski · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I remember seeing a 3D Java app from some NASA (or some NASA-related website) where you could view, in simulated real-time, the position of all the known satellites that are currently orbiting the Earth. It included the ISS, and Mir before it was brought down. I wonder if Google has any plan to incorporate that kind of thing into their application. It would be pretty cool if I could zoom into my house, and see (real-time if possible) what satellites were passing over my house just by zooming out enough.

    1. Re:Another suggestion by Deag · · Score: 2, Informative

      This website is good for this. I used it for looking at the ISS and it was accurate.

    2. Re:Another suggestion by CraftyJack · · Score: 5, Informative

      You're thinking of JTrack:
      science.nasa.gov/realtime/jtrack/3d/JTrack3D.html

    3. Re:Another suggestion by Sierpinski · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You're thinking of JTrack:
      science.nasa.gov/realtime/jtrack/3d/JTrack3D.html


      That is the one! Thanks for the link. I did a very feeble search earlier and couldn't find it.

    4. Re:Another suggestion by alphakappa · · Score: 2, Informative

      There is a layer that can provide satellite orbits

      http://www.gearthblog.com/blog/archives/2006/12/in teresting_satellit.html

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    5. Re:Another suggestion by JeremyBanks · · Score: 1

      Why was this post modded up and not the one that actually contained the link?

    6. Re:Another suggestion by Mechanik · · Score: 1

      I remember seeing a 3D Java app from some NASA (or some NASA-related website) where you could view, in simulated real-time, the position of all the known satellites that are currently orbiting the Earth. It included the ISS, and Mir before it was brought down. I wonder if Google has any plan to incorporate that kind of thing into their application. It would be pretty cool if I could zoom into my house, and see (real-time if possible) what satellites were passing over my house just by zooming out enough.

      Here is a link to the NASA site you are talking about.

      Even Google does this, it would only be civilian satellites. I doubt the US government would be happy if Al Queda or whomever could log on to Google Earth and see when there are no spy satellites overhead.

      I wonder if any satellite enthusiasts have "reverse engineered" where these satellites are. The fact is that these things are in the sky for all to see with a telescope at least in theory. How much can you really camouflage a satellite? Even if they make use of stealth technology, I would think they'd still be optically visible. With the cost it takes to build one and put it up in the sky, they are built for long-term use, which generally means great big solar panels, which are hard to hide.

      Food for thought anyway...

    7. Re:Another suggestion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably because Craftyjack is quite a new user, and so his post may have been at 0 (new user modifier defaults to on, IIRC). This means that the mods that modded up the reply didn't see the original post, only Sierpinski's reply, and being the lazy cunts they are they modded up the wrong post!

    8. Re:Another suggestion by internewt · · Score: 1

      How much can you really camouflage a satellite? Even if they make use of stealth technology, I would think they'd still be optically visible. With the cost it takes to build one and put it up in the sky, they are built for long-term use, which generally means great big solar panels, which are hard to hide. I saw a TV programme about spy sats, and the US one(s) that can't be seen keeps its narrow edge towards the earth at all times, I understand. From what I remember, it could be seen being unloaded from the shuttle, but then vanished shortly afterwards.
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    9. Re:Another suggestion by Sierpinski · · Score: 1

      I was wondering the same thing.... Mod error in your favor, collect one +5 mod. ;-)

  4. Re:yes, but by Matisaro · · Score: 5, Funny

    No, why would someone who runs linux want to know what the outside looks like?

  5. just use this program by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  6. Re:yes, but by thatskinnyguy · · Score: 1

    Someone please mod parent +1 Funny.

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  7. So what's the next step? by BlackCobra43 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Google Map, Google Earth, Google Sky.. I think it leads to Google Mind.

    Imagine (ho ho!) what would hpapen if Google were to invest in thought-imaging technlogoy, in order to accurately represent thought processes. People would have G-Implants (tm) in their brain recording their thoughts for others ot peruse!

    It's coming. Just you wait...

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    1. Re:So what's the next step? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As if the internet didn't provide enough porn already.

    2. Re:So what's the next step? by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 1

      My money is on Google Oceans. Images and locations of known shipwrecks. Links to video perhaps.

    3. Re:So what's the next step? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      And I can see people using it. After all, if you got nothing to hide...

      Scary thought. Though, it's soon gonna be indexed so you find it quickly again and get scared some more. Preferably when the next freedom limiting law is due.

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    4. Re:So what's the next step? by bomanbot · · Score: 1

      Google Map, Google Earth, Google Sky.. I think it leads to Google Mind.
      No, you got it all wrong, they will rename it Google Skynet. It will be like the one from the movies (enslave all of humanity etc.), but with AdSense technology ;-)
    5. Re:So what's the next step? by BlackCobra43 · · Score: 1

      So why did your comment get modded Insightful while mine was Funny? Man, I would pay for some Google Mind records of the mods in this thread.

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    6. Re:So what's the next step? by Beyond+Opinion · · Score: 1

      I'm holding out until Google Existence.

    7. Re:So what's the next step? by StikyPad · · Score: 2, Funny

      Clearly the next steps are Google Fire and Google Water.

    8. Re:So what's the next step? by Hatta · · Score: 1

      Whatever will help me find the G-spot.

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  8. Stellarium is generated. by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 5, Informative

    According to these guys, google sky is (like google earth) stitched together actual photographs.

    Could be more accurate than a generated model.

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    1. Re:Stellarium is generated. by Opportunist · · Score: 0

      ...or less, considering effects like gravitation lenses, absorbing gas and dust and other junk "up there" (or "down there", depending on your point of view.

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    2. Re:Stellarium is generated. by VolciMaster · · Score: 1

      if you want to know how the sky *looks* from where you are, taking into account the gook in the sky, gravitational lenses, etc all, I think, would make it more realistic

    3. Re:Stellarium is generated. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      technically speaking, the generated simulation could also be more accurate than the stitched pictures! :)
      depends what you mean by accurate. I mean, pictures are a more accurate representation of what you SEE, but space is curved, and technically the models could be a better representation of the actual topography of space.
      -b

    4. Re:Stellarium is generated. by Hatta · · Score: 1

      if you want to know how the sky *looks* from where you are, taking into account the gook in the sky

      I didn't know god was korean.

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  9. Kids these days by Chapter80 · · Score: 4, Funny
    No need to go outside anymore!

    I told my kids about the upcoming eclipse, and I was excited to see them enthusiastic, until one said "What channel will it be on?"

    1. Re:Kids these days by rodrigoandrade · · Score: 0

      FTFA:

      "Longest lunar eclipse in 7 years expected
      WASHINGTON, Aug. 21 (UPI) -- People across the western United States will have the best opportunity early Aug. 38 to witness the longest lunar eclipse in seven years."

      In Soviet Russia, Aug. 38 awaits you.

    2. Re:Kids these days by Jugalator · · Score: 1

      No need to go outside anymore! The sad part about this, if I'd take your reply seriously ;-), is that you need to travel farther and farther from your home these days to see the stars well due to light pollution. :-( It's far too rare for me to see a sky truly filled with stars.
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    3. Re:Kids these days by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      The reality channel. The first one to broadcast in Ultra-HDTV. They also offer stereo vision (tm), but only to people who still have both eyes. I think they're still fighting a lawsuit against some group for the rights of people with special needs.

      So far the program is pretty boring most of the time, but the graphics is incredible!

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    4. Re:Kids these days by lawpoop · · Score: 1

      "The Sky Channel" "The Outside Channel" or "Station Reality"...!

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    5. Re:Kids these days by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On Aug. 38, the moon will become completely immersed?
      I think that story's all wet!

    6. Re:Kids these days by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      Boy, that story could use some editing. I can't find August 38 on my calendar.

      What is it about Web articles that makes people not want to proofread them?

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    7. Re:Kids these days by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "During the early morning hours of Aug. 28, astronomers say sky watchers around much of the world will be able to watch as the moon crosses the Earth's shadow, becoming completely immersed for nearly 90 -- a much longer period of time than occurs during most lunar eclipses."

      For nearly 90 what? The last unit of time they mentioned in that sentence was hours. I would hope the ecclipse won't last for 90 hours.

  10. If it's been released, where's the link by ahecht · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The article doesn't have a download link, and a Google search turns up nothing. Where's the link?

    1. Re:If it's been released, where's the link by zetes · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you download the latest version of Google Earth, it is built-in. There is a button to "Switch between Sky and Earth". Works well so far for me.

      Z

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    2. Re:If it's been released, where's the link by chr.vinter · · Score: 3, Informative

      Update or install Google Earth from http://http//earth.google.com/download-earth.html

    3. Re:If it's been released, where's the link by lexbaby · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Google demo and info here: http://earth.google.com/sky/skyedu.html

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  11. You hear it here first by 12357bd · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Just a month ago (July/12) ... GoogleSky .. talking about scanning astronomical plates.

    The curious thing is that the .com domain was registered just on Jun/29!, and the domain name servers seems not to be updated yet (Aug/22), the basename url (googlesky.com) leads to a page stating the domain name is still on sale!. Vacation time at Google perhaps?

    On another front, will GoogleSky add a time shift scroll control to the pages? Astronomical data can be computed if no image is available...

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    1. Re:You hear it here first by anjin-san+3 · · Score: 1

      It already has a time scroll. You can use it to see the orbit of the moon and planets in relation to earth. Turn one of those on, and then it should appear as a transparent control at the top-center of the map.

  12. But, still no roads in Mexico on maps.google? by sillyphisher1 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Google can map 200 million galaxies in 3-D but can't come up with a road map of Mexico? What's up?

    1. Re:But, still no roads in Mexico on maps.google? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      First mexico needs to build this thing called "roads."

    2. Re:But, still no roads in Mexico on maps.google? by mce · · Score: 4, Funny

      Didn't you know that eternal history of both earth and the universe revolves around the US? After all, have serious aliens ever landed outside the US? Whenever they threatened the world, haven't they destroyed New-York or Washington in particular? The Martians don't care about Mexico. Ask Hollywood, those people can know first hand.

    3. Re:But, still no roads in Mexico on maps.google? by Kenji+DRE · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes, i can confirm this. Aliens always aim for the Statue of Liberty in New York first.

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    4. Re:But, still no roads in Mexico on maps.google? by iainl · · Score: 1

      Forget Mexico, when was the last time you saw aliens blow up anything in the flyover states? NYC, Washington, LA, maybe SF or Vegas if they fancy a change. That's about it.

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    5. Re:But, still no roads in Mexico on maps.google? by cylcyl · · Score: 1

      So, aliens are conservative? Which is why they keep on attacking the areas where the liberals congregate

    6. Re:But, still no roads in Mexico on maps.google? by aldo.gs · · Score: 1

      It would actually be really helpful a feature like that. I'm not asking for 3d buildings or things like that, but roads (well placed, that is) would be awesome. But then, as some pointed out, the aliens hopefully are not interested in our destruction.

    7. Re:But, still no roads in Mexico on maps.google? by iainl · · Score: 1

      They're certainly 'small c' conservative - how many times do Exposition characters have to tell our protagonist that humans' hunger for exploration and new things is what makes us unique?

      Anyone wanting to make comments about the political opinions of these people invading a developing planet in order to steal its resources while claiming that they're actually bringing order is on their own, however...

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    8. Re:But, still no roads in Mexico on maps.google? by g-san · · Score: 1

      You've obviously never made it past the donkeys in Tijuana.

  13. Retarded anon coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Applying this funny-once-upon-a-time-question to a service is retarded. Please go away.

  14. Tattoine by bamsebomsen · · Score: 1

    Can someone show me the directions to Tattoine? Most people know about those "faces" you can find in Google Earth, hills that looks like indians etc. I guess we will be seeing star "faces", possible UFO's and Elvis very soon.

    1. Re:Tattoine by Chapter80 · · Score: 1

      Stupid Google Stars... I'm looking for Kamino, just beyond the Outer Rim, and I can't find it. It's like someone has removed it!

    2. Re:Tattoine by kayditty · · Score: 0

      No, but maybe someone can give you direcitons to Tatooine.

    3. Re:Tattoine by Moodie-1 · · Score: 1

      Those dang Mexicans added an 'El' to beginning of it and hauled it away!

  15. Here we go... by InvisblePinkUnicorn · · Score: 1

    Next thing you know, they'll be spotting green gelatinous blobs suntanning nude on the liquid-metal beaches of Upsilon Andromedae b's fourth moon.

    1. Re:Here we go... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Quick, call the venture capital guys, I think I got a great idea for a really new porn site!

      If someone needs me, I'm at the patent office.

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  16. kstars desktop planetarium by Toffins · · Score: 1
    There is also KStars Desktop Planetarium for KDE. Quote:

    It provides an accurate graphical simulation of the night sky, from any location on Earth, at any date and time. The display includes 130,000 stars, 13,000 deep-sky objects,all 8 planets, the Sun and Moon, and thousands of comets and asteroids.
    It's still my personal favorite out of all the desktop planetariums. The best thing about it is you don't need to be online to use it like Google's, so you can run it on your laptop while outside viewing the stars with a scope using the "night vision" viewing mode to avoid ruining your eyes' dark adaptation.
    1. Re:kstars desktop planetarium by griffjon · · Score: 1

      Stellarium's pretty good too, for just star-gazing. Though Celestia still rocks in terms of flying around the solar system/galaxy/whatever.

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    2. Re:kstars desktop planetarium by treeves · · Score: 1

      I find Celestia harder to use for sky-watching than Stellarium, but as you say, better for "flying around" the solar system and universe. Stellarium is better at simulating what the sky actually looks like, when the sun is setting etc. I like them both, but they serve different purposes, IMO. For star charts alone, Skymaps.com are good and include the major events of the month.

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    3. Re:kstars desktop planetarium by griffjon · · Score: 1

      What would be truly excellent is Google Earth + Celestia with maps for each planet; with the ability to choose a point in space (say, at an address using G. Earth) and look up and see the night sky with the ability to change local time, etc.

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  17. Celestia by castrox · · Score: 1

    May I suggest an excellent application called Celestia. Quite wonderful an experience to use. It's using a 3D interface and lets you navigate our solar system and stars in our galaxy (some 120,000 stars). It has extensions, so you can load packs of new objects and functionality, e.g. satellites orbiting the earth and so on.

    More info on Wikipedia and of course Celestia's homepage.

    It is available for Windows, Mac OS X and Linux.

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    1. Re:Celestia by Mad+Marlin · · Score: 1

      A big thumbs up for Celestia from me too. I spent a good deal of time messing around with that one, it is a lot of fun. The main thing I learned: a thousand times light speed is really slow! To get the Star Trek effect with the stars you need to be doing several light-years per second.

    2. Re:Celestia by Tangent128 · · Score: 1

      You ever try zooming all the way out to the full Milky Way, then telling it to Goto Sol? (Gives me whiplash.)

  18. Only two years behind World Wind now.. by AnswerIs42 · · Score: 1

    SDSS (Sloan Digital Sky Servey) has been in World Wind over a year now. And Stellarium is still the best way to properly look at the sky from a computer. You have no true reference points in the GE Sky.. it is just a "pretty viewer".

  19. This should make life easier by Timberwolf0122 · · Score: 1

    Now scientist can just use google to find darkmatter/ET/Extra solar planets

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  20. Its about time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The first thing I thought of when i zoomed out fully of google earth was, "they should really make a app for that sky. Its just where that sort of thing should go..."

  21. (c) google by Speare · · Score: 2, Funny

    There are already some great planetarium software applications available, like Stellarium. I see that it could be "more convenient" if Google Earth offered similar views, but I can't help but think that with the patchwork quality of Google Maps/Earth data, that the sky dataset will look like another half-finished project.

    I may joke that in Google Sky, Rigel appears to be "(c) google" and Sirius will be a hotlink for digital radio, but there's a more serious concern of incomplete, poorly matched, patchwork quality, license-encumbered imagery that will blunt the value of Google Sky if they're not careful. Since Google's an ad company, I fail to see how this will actually bring them more revenue.

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    1. Re:(c) google by wvmarle · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I may joke that in Google Sky, Rigel appears to be "(c) google" and Sirius will be a hotlink for digital radio, but there's a more serious concern of incomplete, poorly matched, patchwork quality, license-encumbered imagery that will blunt the value of Google Sky if they're not careful. Since Google's an ad company, I fail to see how this will actually bring them more revenue.

      Google Sky, like Google Earth, will cost them money to set up. However, not that much, as the main infrastructure (huge distributed databases) they have in place already. It only costs them the labour to do so. But that's not bad for Google anyway, because now we're talking about them (again), they get press, more people (not everyone uses Google) use their search, and that's where they make their money.

      Google is a young, rich, sorry very rich company. They can experiment a lot. They're not just about search anymore, they are about data management and distributed computing. Huge datasets they time and again prove to manage effectively and reliably. Earth, images, movies - all huge datasets, that require specialised database infrastructure. I have more and more the feeling that they do all this partly for fun, partly because they can, and partly simply as experiment. Images are relative large sets of data, especially when you have millions of them, and they are in high resolutions, possibly stored even with limited compression to make the stitching together part easier.

      I've been playing with Google Earth now and then, and I love the street view. It's truly impressive how one can turn around in the street, with the images following. Borderlines between images may be a bit patchy at time, but considering it is all done automatically it's quite impressive. There is a lot of processing power behind that (they probably borrow some of my computer as well, but still).

      Google by now has probably the most computing power of any company in the world. I wouldn't be surprised if full percentages of the world's computing power are in hands of Google already. Most of all I hope they stay true to their "do no evil" mantra, as I'm sure there is a lot of good that can come out of these experiments.

    2. Re:(c) google by LordSnooty · · Score: 1

      Since Google's an ad company, I fail to see how this will actually bring them more revenue.
      If it secures them long articles on BBC News, that's a win.
    3. Re:(c) google by internewt · · Score: 1

      Since the change in director general at the BBC, I feel that the BBC has seriously degraded. They seem to be very much less questioning of the state these days, and very much more pro-authority.

      Since the BBC's involvment with the David Kelly case, the major shit-storms that would have happened in the BBC in the aftermath has lead to changes. Its now either policy to be more authoritarian (set by the new director general?), or the employees have become "lazier", and the attitude is a side-effect. By lazier, I mean that if the government say XYZ, the reporters report XYZ, instead of doing real journalism and digging into why the government say XYZ. Real journalism potential leads to your source "killing himself" and the inevitable enquiry.

      I think that this laziness is starting to manifest itself elsewhere too. The BBC coverage of the climate protests at Heathrow airport recently were reported such that the protesters were the major problem, not the fact that x thousand people feel they need to do something about climate change, and how maybe those people have a point. They seemed to really focus on how the police were being restrained and not using force.... they seemed to be implying praise of the police.

      And that biker who was shot on the M40. The general attitude I felt the BBC was giving out initially was that it happened because he was at a biker festival. I heard mention yesterday that the police have had a lot of calls from the public about the shooting, but nothing from the Hells Angels that it is alleged that the biker was a member of. The way the Beeb phrased it it was like "even his so called friends in the gang don't want to help".

      So yeah, the BBC writing long articles about Google Earth..... they don't have to even leave the computer, let alone the office to write that article.

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    4. Re:(c) google by Speare · · Score: 1

      But that's not bad for Google anyway, because now we're talking about them (again), they get press, more people (not everyone uses Google) use their search, and that's where they make their money.

      They're not just about search anymore, they are about data management and distributed computing.

      Yes, publicity is good, but I must stress, Google doesn't make money on searches. They make money on ads. All they spend on search and data management technology is a loss leader, just like the "kids eat free" night at the local buffet or more accurately like the sparkly electric lights on the casino building. They make their money not on search but on advertising. It's those AdWords and AdSense that form Google's backbone, and the search is just a way to make the web usable to get people to see (and respond to) ads.

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  22. Millennium Falcon by dogmatixpsych · · Score: 3, Funny

    If Han Solo had only had this software he could have mapped out the best route and made the Kessel Run in 9 parsecs.

  23. Oh, those kinds of stars... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And here I thought it was going to be a plug-in that would allow people to track sitings of movie stars, post pictures of Lindsey Lohan's arrest, upload pictures from various weddings, events, etc.

    Hmmm, I wonder which would be more popular...

  24. Paging Sir Clarke... by Minwee · · Score: 1

    I have only one reaction to this.

    "My God, it's full of stars!"

    1. Re:Paging Sir Clarke... by coren2000 · · Score: 1

      All these worlds are yours, except Europa. Attempt no landings there.

  25. Re:yes, but by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Informative

    How could he look outside, without Windows?

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  26. Sky in Google Earth is 99.9999% accurate by GamEmpire · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The issue with Stellarium is that it isn't all 100% real information, its generated information to be somewhat accurate. Sky in Google Earth however contains actual Digital Sky Survey data and Sloan Digital Sky Survey data. Not to mention that the Space Telescope Science Institute (the people who run Hubble) was the primary research institution that worked on the project with Google. This means that besides the ground based digital data, Hubble Space Telescope images are overlayed on the sky as well. Google Sky is an actual real representation of the sky. People who say the project is half finished because the plates aren't stiched together properly are complete idiots, because its impossible to compose one complete image of the sky from thousands of "digital plates" and keep the data accurate. Sky in Google Earth data is 99.9999% accurate, and is only off by like half an arcsecond in some places.

    1. Re:Sky in Google Earth is 99.9999% accurate by Hatta · · Score: 1

      its impossible to compose one complete image of the sky from thousands of "digital plates" and keep the data accurate.

      Why?

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  27. Check out Celestia by voislav98 · · Score: 5, Informative

    You should check out Celestia, which runs both on Windows and Linux (and Mac I think). http://www.shatters.net/celestia/ Nice thing about it is that it has a huge library of add-ons that people make from NASA images. IMHO with a little work it's far superior to commercial astronomy programs (such as Starry Night), although my Celestia folder is at about 2 GB right now.

  28. Re:yes, but by jollyreaper · · Score: 5, Funny

    > My answer to your question: you can't slide beer under the door!

    Sure you can, you just need to wait for it to go flat.

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  29. Seems interesting... by complete+loony · · Score: 1

    ... but the zoom effect when you jump from location to location needs some work. When you jump between locations on the surface of the earth the curve the camera follows seems graceful and mostly sedate. When you jump between stellar locations, it's a combination of a bad camera zoom effect, too wide a field of view in an FPS, and finally like your looking down a telescope as it zooms across the sky at maximum magnification.

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  30. I wish... by interactive_civilian · · Score: 1

    I wish Google would team up with the Celestia people and make GoogleUniverse. It would be awesome to combine Celestia's ability to travel the universe with up-to-date data that could be gathered from Google and also with Google Earth's ability to move in very close to things.

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    1. Re:I wish... by Fred_A · · Score: 1

      Also so you'd know where to refuel when drifting through interstellar space ? I can see when that could come in handy.

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  31. this sounds good by j1mc · · Score: 1

    i, for one, welcome our new google overlords who will allow us to use google sky to view the approach of our new alien overlords.

  32. Many thanks, Google, by dayjn · · Score: 1

    for making such useful, interesting software for free. Keep up the good work.

  33. The "3D rendition" is the biggest news by roystgnr · · Score: 1

    Everybody may have seen Hubble's pictures of the Eagle Nebula a million times, but for the first time we'll get to see what it looks like *from the back*!

    I just hope they make Google Warp Drive (beta) open source.

  34. Bookmarked by DoomHaven · · Score: 1

    Thanks for the info!

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  35. Re:Google should keep out of politics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A wikipedia entry describing failure. Yes, Google need to stay out of.. um.. Answering search queries.

  36. Doesn't run in Panther by HaveNoMouth · · Score: 1
    For the three people out there still running Mac OSX 10.3.9 like me, be aware this latest version of GE requires 10.4. Unlike the previous version of GE which ran just fine in 10.3, this one complains as soon as you launch it. It would have been nice if Google had mentioned this on their web site before I bothered to download it. But as of now, their FAQ page still says "Minimum configuration... Mac OS X 10.3.9" which was true for version 4.0.

    Why don't I upgrade to Tiger? Mostly laziness. Plus Spotlight sucks and I was hoping to just skip to Leopard, where maybe Apple will have come to their senses and fixed the damned Spotlight UI.

    1. Re:Doesn't run in Panther by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know I always ignore MAJOR upgrades to software I use because I don't like some OPTIONAL part of it.

      Geez, of all the reasons I've ever heard (which I guess number exactly 1 now) not to upgrade to Tiger, this has got to be the absolute worst. For any non-mac users out there, Spotlight is a very good local search technology and while you may not like it's interface, you can hardly say that it sucks.

    2. Re:Doesn't run in Panther by HaveNoMouth · · Score: 1
      I can say it sucks because that's precisely what I mean.

      Spotlight is NOT optional. There are hackish ways to remove it, but none sanctioned by Apple. Spotlight took away a very effective file-finding capability, which works great for the 90& of cases where I just want to search on a file's NAME, and replaces it with an ungainly UI that requires 3 or 4 extra clicks just to do the same file name search, cannot be modified to do that behavior as the default, often doesn't show you files you know it should have found, and presents its results in a window that doesn't work like a Finder window (so you can't, for example, sort the results on their modification date). The underlying metadata mechanism that Spotlight uses is great, but whoever at Apple designed the Spotlight UI ruined it.

  37. Stellarium's Great Advantages by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 1
    Stellarium has two great advantages over Google Sky:

    1: Totally self-contained, i.e. you don't need an Internet connection at all to run Stellarium, let alone broadband.

    2: No ads.

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    1. Re:Stellarium's Great Advantages by ChrisMounce · · Score: 1

      3: Open source.

      4: More focus toward simulation. Google Sky is a collection of pictures from inside an imaginary "sky sphere." It's really neat, but it's mostly what Google Earth is for the planet surface - an interactive map. Stellarium actually keeps track of all the stuff that's out there and where it's going. This makes it trivial to get a view from the Moon, for example.

    2. Re:Stellarium's Great Advantages by g-san · · Score: 1

      1. Then how do you download it? How do you download updates to the maps?

      2. Looking at google earth, I see a Google logo and image copyrights. Where do I turn on the ads?

      Does being a Stellarium fanboy pay much?

  38. Apparently it uses H. A. Rey's constellation lines by IronClad · · Score: 1

    That's a plus from my viewpoint, at least for us westerners. Much more intuitive.

    Stellarium and KStars both need manual fixups to get those.

  39. From the horse's mouth..... by dickeya · · Score: 1
  40. When will they do this for other planets? by dottyslashdottydot · · Score: 1

    I realize that they have released google mars, and google moon, but these are just web browser based 2D views of the respective celestial bodies. Wouldn't it be cool if they put these into the Google Earth interface? Imagine being able to virtually fly around and see features such as Olympus Mons in 3D?

    1. Re:When will they do this for other planets? by pugugly · · Score: 1

      Or you could just Download http://worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/Worldwind which has all that built in and is (IMO) a bit better for some types of things (I particularly like the USGS maps, which are pretty darn spiffy when tracking certain kinds of data like where an oil line is buried on your property.)

      Not complaining about Google earth BTW - I use it for other stuff.

      Pug

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    2. Re:When will they do this for other planets? by Dusty101 · · Score: 1

      "Or you could just Download http://worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/Worldwind" - not if you're not a Windows user...

  41. Sig Fun by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

    "When the only tool you own is a hammer, every problem begins to resemble a nail." - Abraham Maslow (1908-1970)

    When the only tool you own is a hammer, everything on which you use it begins to resemble a thumb." -- ConceptJunkie (1965 - )

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  42. So... by Cereal+Box · · Score: 1

    ... this will make money... how, exactly?

    1. Re:So... by Adhemar82 · · Score: 0

      Forget money, Google will take over the world while everyone's looking up at the sky.

    2. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They've got enough money. Let them do something groovie for people every once in a while without slappin' a price tag on every thing.

  43. Looks like it needs a bit more work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So I tried Google Sky...
    I line up good ole Andromeda and look for the nearest Starbucks.

    Would you believe not one Starbucks in the whole galaxy?

  44. Accurate Simulation? by Flwyd · · Score: 3, Funny

    Can I turn on the light pollution layer so I get a true sense of the Los Angeles sky?

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  45. Gook? by tepples · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    if you want to know how the sky *looks* from where you are, taking into account the gook in the sky "Gook in the sky"? Which oriental war were you in?
  46. Re:Problem with images by Explo · · Score: 1

    I think that Stellarium, Xephem etc. and this new GE feature are targeted pretty much for different uses anyway:

    - The Sky feature in GE is nice for general visual ogling around the sky for entertainment purposes; the UI is rather slick and the search functionality seems to cover the popular things (Messier/NGC catalogs etc) quite well. This makes it very attractive for causal wandering around the night sky, especially for people who aren't interested about getting dirty with the details of astronomy (although some information appears to be available with links to Wikipedia pages and various astronomical sources, kudos for that).

    - The traditional planetarium applications are generally quite a bit more useful for e.g. planning an observation session ahead with simulation features. It's far easier to look for the first day of year when moon is closer than 5 degress to Pleiades and sun is below horizon in, say, XEphem than in GE. The information databases in planetarium applications often also provide data about things like variable stars/spectral class of a star etc, which are useful for some kinds of amateur astronomy, but not really important for visual enjoyment of hopping around the sky in GE. However, the UIs in planetarium apps do not IMO really provide as slick feeling of cruising around the sky view, as they tend to be functional/informative (stellar magnitudes/spectral classes etc) rather than to provide instant visual enjoyment.

    I don't think it's really possible to generally claim either kind of application to be the ultimate solution, at least for now. I wouldn't be surprised if they get closer to each other as time passes, though. Being an amateur astronomer myself, I see the sky feature in GE as something I'll probably not use as often as, say, XEphem, but it's still nice.

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  47. Re:Problem with images by Hatta · · Score: 1

    Wow thanks for mentioning XEphem. I'd not heard of it before. I really love academic software.

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  48. Re:yes, but by UserGoogol · · Score: 1

    In Soviet Russia, perhaps.

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  49. How Do I... by MutualDisdain · · Score: 1

    But how do I make the yellow letters scroll up that tell me what the story is about?

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  50. Peurile joke time by badjoke · · Score: 1

    We've all used Google Earth to look up our homes. How you can look up Uranus

  51. Planet X by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Will it show planet X?

    http://www.zetatalk.com/