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Science Blogger Sued for Unfavorable Book Review

tigerhawkvok writes "Recently, new author Stuart Privar provided Professor PZ Meyers of Pharyngula a copy of his book, Lifecode, for review. Over the course of the review itself and a few follow-ups, it became evident that the content was nonsense (including, among other things, ten-legged spiders and other phenomena strongly at odds with developmental biology). However, the common threat of lawsuits finally became a reality, and now Privar is suing Myers for $15 million. Can calling someone a 'classic crackpot' in the face of such incorrect data have any chance at making it to court, or even winning the suit?"

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  1. When Wealthy Christians and Crackpots Attack! by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Contrary to this "this is the first time this has happened!" tone of this article, religious nutballs (as this Picar guy appears to be), frauds, and crackpots actually have a long history of suing when someone challenges them. The Church of Scientology has sued many people. Uri Gellar sued James Randi and others. Crackpots sue all the time (that part of what makes them crackpots). Some, like this Pivar guy apparently, have the financial resources to use their lawsuits to harass (like the aforementioned Scientologists). It's just a sad reality, here in the U.S. anyway (where we have no "loser pays" lawsuit system).

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    1. Re:When Wealthy Christians and Crackpots Attack! by Goaway · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Scientologists aren't crackpots, though. They're a very deliberate scam. The things they teach are a mixture of self-help material and crackpottery, but don't think for a second that the leaders actually believe in any of it.

    2. Re:When Wealthy Christians and Crackpots Attack! by faloi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Just a quick question... On what basis do you claim Pivar is a religious nutball? I've read most of the connected articles and it sounds like he's just a regular nutball, religion isn't mentioned anywhere that I've seen. Unless you're just inferring that because he's putting up something contrary to real evolutionary theory (which I would maintain makes him a regular nutball).

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    3. Re:When Wealthy Christians and Crackpots Attack! by hansamurai · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm confused why you point out Christians in your subject. There is no indication that the author of the book is a Christian, or that its content is motivated by Christian principles. Nor do you mention Christians in your text, let alone wealthy Christians. I'm not denying that there aren't Christian nutballs, because there definitely are, but it is simply an off topic jab.

      Either way, I agree with everything else you said.

    4. Re:When Wealthy Christians and Crackpots Attack! by ajs · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I was wondering the same thing. I'm actually getting rather tired of this particular knee-jerk. Yes, there are Christian crackpots in the world. No, not all crackpots are Christian nor are all Christians crackpots. Faith in a deity is tangential to the search for truth through the scientific method. Only where one allows the two to become entangled does crackpottery arise.

    5. Re:When Wealthy Christians and Crackpots Attack! by A+nonymous+Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What is this, jesusdot, where every Christian thinks superstition is immune from derision just because it has been around for 2000 years?

    6. Re:When Wealthy Christians and Crackpots Attack! by plague3106 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think its fair that if its ok to bash and debunk Scientology that Christanity is fair game too.

      I don't see you complaining about Scientology being bashed. I can only assume you think THAT is ok because you are a Christian, otherwise you'd have mentioned that as well.

      If I makes you feel better:

      Jewish religion is bunk.
      Christian is bunk.
      Islam is bunk.
      Scientology is bunk.
      Buddism is bunk.

      There... did I miss any major religion? Does it make you feel better that I'm not just picking on Christians?

    7. Re:When Wealthy Christians and Crackpots Attack! by spikedvodka · · Score: 3, Insightful

      but of course the church of the flying spaghetti monster isn't bunk

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    8. Re:When Wealthy Christians and Crackpots Attack! by pimpimpim · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Just click the link I put in the original post, they also have the text in Dutch. Somewhere half way they mention the lawsuit, they won for the lower court in 2005, and lost for the higher court in 2007. The whole lawsuit took about 7 years and 90.000 euro, since this all started when they made a list of 'biggest quacks of the century' in 2000. They lost because the higher court used the definition of a quack as someone who intentionally fools people with non-working remedies, and didn't thought the woman promoted her non-working remedies with the intent of doing so. Put otherwise, they probably assumed she was too stupid to know what she was doing. Personally, I don't think "intent" should be part of quakery, instead the guilt of quakery lies in the fact that you, knowingly or unknowingly, are a potential harm to people who are in real need for a remedy, and are not working within the rules that are laid out for medical treatment. Hospitals and medicine are institionalized for a reason!

      This court order defeats the centuries of learning by suffering that lead to the strict way medical treatment is organized.

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    9. Re:When Wealthy Christians and Crackpots Attack! by samkass · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Anti-Catholicism: The last acceptable prejudice."

      Is saying something negative about the Pope really being anti-Catholic? Is saying that Jewish laws are probably based more in practical guides to avoiding ancient diseases rather than commandments from God anti-Semitic? If criticizing any belief system of someone's religion is being "anti" that religion, we start going down a path of extremist dogma where all rational thought is lost.

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    10. Re:When Wealthy Christians and Crackpots Attack! by pimpimpim · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I think you are allowed to publish such statements, as you need to warn the general public about the scientific wrongdoing by this person. The person is publishing a book that is ment as a scientific-looking publication (that is why he searched a review from a university professor in the first place), and therefore has the responsibility to follow the scientific method. He did not do that, but used crackpot methods to write the book. Should the author have used crackpot methods for a book that was not _claiming_ to be a scientific book, it should also not been crackpottery but just nonsense. Noone will call a cartoon artist a crackpot just because in the cartoon the principles of physics are ignored. This case is different, though, as it was claiming itself to be scientific.

      Maybe the libel could have been avoided by not addressing the author as a crackpot, but instead calling the book a manifestation of crackpottery. Then it is not a personal attack, and should be safe from libel charges. This is just a form of newspeak, but if the laywers and courts agree with it, then so be it our new way to talk about crackpots.

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    11. Re:When Wealthy Christians and Crackpots Attack! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The 100% effective defense against a libel or slander suit is (1) The statements are true (2) it is clear you are stating your personal opinion.

      If the blogger made a firm accusation, i.e. the writer kills baby seals, and that turns out to be knowingly false, then if written, that's libel, if it is said publicly, it is slander.

      However, It is clear that the blogger is expressing his "opinion" about the man and his works. He is 100% protected in his capacity as someone reviewing a work to form an opinion and state it publicly either verbally or in written form.

    12. Re:When Wealthy Christians and Crackpots Attack! by immcintosh · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In philosophy, a subject in which I have specialized, we use a greek word qua frequently. Put simply, this word means, generally, "in the capacity of." I think it is fairly obvious that the author of this book qua biologist is demonstrably a crackpot. He writes on a very intensively studied branch of science, and proposes a number of theories which are blantantly contrary to well established and observed fact, on no better grounds than an active imagination. This, I would argue, is the very definition of crackpottery. Most sensible people in the modern world would call a doctor who proposed leeching as a panacea to be a crackpot for much the same reason--it is contrary to well established medical fact and commonly available evidence.

      In any case, it seems quite clear to me that PZ is describing this man as being a crackpot qua developmental biologist, and not qua businessman or any other number of things he might be talented at. As such, I believe this accusation is absolutely true and utterly defensible by anybody with a rational understanding of modern science.

      P.S. I would have liked to moderate this rather than reply, but none of the options seemed to adequately represent my feelings about it...

    13. Re:When Wealthy Christians and Crackpots Attack! by dougmc · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The 100% effective defense against a libel or slander suit is (1) The statements are true Provably true, I might add. If you can't prove it, in a way that a court will understand, then it's not quite 100% effective.

      (2) it is clear you are stating your personal opinion. That isn't quite sufficient, actually. If I were to say `It is my opinion that you are a convicted child molestor', I could still be successfully sued for libel or slander even though I said this was my opinion.
    14. Re:When Wealthy Christians and Crackpots Attack! by rthille · · Score: 3, Insightful


      Yeah, well Gould is wrong. If there is a god who affects the universe (aside from initial conditions/laws), he would show effects and could be studied. If all god did was create the initial conditions, that still leaves the question of where did the creator come from, and why we'd bother with talking about the creator of the universe when he can't have anything to do with his creation.

      "Either half my colleagues are enormously stupid", no just brainwashed. And human brains aren't so perfect that they can't believe two completely contradictory things and have not trouble believing them both true. Not to mention that falling back to religion for morality is utter shit. If you didn't have an evolved-in or culturally derived set of morals, you'd never be able to decide that it was ok to stop stoning adulterers.

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    15. Re:When Wealthy Christians and Crackpots Attack! by Danse · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Second, how do you figure? There's some unwritten rule that you have to adhere to scientific method if you're discussing science? Why? Because you said so? That seems to be the only justification you're giving, and seeing as you've been wrong on several points already, I'd say your opinion is pretty worthless. Are you joking? If you write a book that proposes a theory about evolution, then you're expected to do it in a scientific way, otherwise, no, it's not science, it's a crackpot theory that fits the definition quite well. So calling him a crackpot is appropriate. He didn't even attempt to validate his theory.
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  2. Re:I see dollar signs by Billosaur · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If someone can be sued for their opinions... then Slashdot users will have to start a collection for a community lawyer pool, because some or all of us are going to get sued at some point.

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  3. Re:hmm. by Larus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As Niels Bohr said, "Your idea is crazy, but not crazy enough to be true."

  4. Won't get far by faloi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As one article points out, the bar for libel is pretty high in the US, especially for public or semi-public figures. The author of the book has put themselves in the public view multiple times, for many different things. I'd expect it never makes it to court.

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  5. Re:hmm. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    (Before I drop into my string theory rant, I want to point out that there is a difference between having no evidence and MAKING UP evidence.)

    String theory is an interesting bit of physically-motivated mathematics that has been WAY oversold as a description of nature. It is the theorist's job to invent new mathematical descriptions of unexplained phenomenon, and to extrapolate from what we know to what we could potentially discover. It takes a while to get there, though. Lots of nice ideas which are wrong get generated along the way.

    Somewhere in the process the string theory PR machine got out of hand, and it started being sold to the general public as more than just a crazy conjecture. In the process, I think it has done a lot of damage to the credibility of high energy physics. There's a lot of argument within the field about string theory as well. I would suggest checking out The Trouble With Physics: The Rise of a String Theory, the Fall of a Science, and What Comes Next.

  6. Re:hmm. by nomadic · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As Carl Sagan said, "They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright Brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown."

  7. Re:Professor's mistake? by Qzukk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    the security of a contract?

    Since when does one need the security of a contract to read a book and tell people what you thought of it?

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  8. Re:The reviewer blogger should lose his home. libe by geek2k5 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you read the reviews, you will find that the reviewer tore apart the contents of the book, not the reputation of the Stuart Pivar.

    If you dig a little further, you will find that Stuart Pivar seems to have a good reputation in the chemical engineering world and the art world.

    A scan for Stuart Pivar in Google uncovers some patents he seems to be associated with regarding molding hollow plastic articles. (For some reason a Stewart Pivar is also associated with these patents. Are they the same person?) I can see where these patents could have made him a fair amount of cash if handled properly.

    The same scan uncovers the fact that he was closely tied to Andy Warhol and was a cofounder of New York Academy of Art. He seems to have a reasonably good reputation in those circles. I especially liked an article where he rescued a Roman bronze from being broken into parts because it had been misclassified as a later sculpture.

    You'll note that the reviewer didn't touch on those areas. Instead, the reviewer focused on his area of expertise, biology, and methodically tore apart the arguments that Pivar put forth. Since Pivar lacks a peer-reviewed scientific reputation in biology and related topics, you can't really say Pivar's reputation as a scientist was destroyed.

    Destroying the reputation of those you disagree with is foolish. It is just a matter of time before someone with means properly makes you pay.

    If Pivar truly wants to protect his 'reputation' as a scientist, then he will do it with hard facts backed up by peer-reviewed science and not a lawsuit.

    Note that the comment about 'Destroying the reputation of those with disagree with' also applies to Stuart Pivar. Just because he has the money to take such a thing to court doesn't mean that he should. If anything, Pivar is in the process of destroying his own reputation as an elderly but budding scientist.