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Chinese Bloggers Encouraged to Register Contact Info
Raver32 writes "Blog service providers in China are "encouraged" to register users with their real names and contact information, according to a new government document that tones down an earlier proposal banning anonymous online blogging.
At least 10 major Chinese blog service providers have agreed to sign the "self-discipline pledge" issued by the Internet Society of China, the state-run Xinhua News Agency reported."
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And this is different from anywhere else how? Don't forget about the US government's electronic spying... At least China has the balls to tell it's people it's watching them...
If a man isn't willing to take some risk for his opinions, either his opinions are no good or he's no good
Delete "Bad" information? Is that the one with the evil bit turned on?
From the PHP manual: "Also note that it is your responsibility to die() if necessary."
And this is different from anywhere else how? Don't forget about the US government's electronic spying... At least China has the balls to tell it's people it's watching them...
Right and how many blogers are imprisoned because they don't like the government in the US?
How many people that visit the democratic underground are getting arrested for posting there?
Yeah really good comparison there.....
Also taking steps to make sure that the governments "electronic spying" does not catch you is trivial at best.
.... When the government decides to execute you for dissident activities, they can send your family an invoice for the bullet.
This is my opinion. To make sure you don't steal it, it's covered by the DMCA.
Is it common knowledge in China how much the government restricts freedom? Or is it something that barely anyone inside the country is aware of?
Technoli
Right and how many blogers are imprisoned because they don't like the government in the US?
How many people that visit the democratic underground are getting arrested for posting there?
So you know for a fact that 0 people are in gitmo for this, or in CIA secret prisons, or have been exported for torture for any of these actions? Oh, right they won't tell us who is in these places so we really don't know. They could disappear people for this stuff and we would never know.
The US Gov't doesn't need to tell anyone about who they spy on...that's Bush's warrent-less wiretapping scheme! No judge will ever find out, and the agencies doing the snooping are protected from testifying because it is a 'state secret'. You could be spied on, branded a "terrorist" with no paper trail and disappeared forever.
I hope you are trolling, I really do. Especially since the pro-business concerns in the USA would LOVE to turn the clock back on environmental protections and consumer safety in order to turn a bigger profit.
Blar.
I can't even imagine how many death threats I would have gotten by now for saying bad things about Ubuntu, if people had my real contact information.
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Cue the "Record Number of Chinese ISP Owners Commit Suicide" headlines in 3 ... 2 ... 1 ...
And how many would have to disappear before someone wondered where their blogger went to?
So you know for a fact that 0 people are in gitmo for this, or in CIA secret prisons, or have been exported for torture for any of these actions? Oh, right they won't tell us who is in these places so we really don't know. They could disappear people for this stuff and we would never know.
Ok take off the tinfoil
The difference is you are guessing. Second it is a known fact that people get imprisoned in China for speaking out about the government in a perceived incorrect manner. After all you are still posting right? They did not come get you now did they?
Going from Chinese civil rights violations to nonsensical ranting about Microsoft in three steps isn't in itself remarkable. But doing it with an "In Soviet Russia..." post in the middle certainly is!
What I'm listening to now on Pandora...
It is good for society when you take responsibility for the things The Party tells you to take responsibility for.
Why don't these antics from communist China surprise me? These agreements don't mean much since Chinese courts do whatever the hell they feel like anyways.
You're right, cause here in the USA our courts respect the Constit....oh wait...
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Liberal BS. I'll ignore it.
Why don't you explore outside your own country and examine other systems of government before you decide the US is the great satan.
“Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
And how many would have to disappear before someone wondered where their blogger went to?
You know THAT is one of the best questions I have ever heard.
And I don't think it could a number of people but rather how well know a blogger was that would start it.
Really? So how did the USA wind up on the side that was against the fascists in the first place? Could it be because of deep philosophical differences, namely the principles of human rights? Naw, that would be too obvious.
Also, the Nazis never attacked the USA, it was the Japanese who attacked Pearl Harbor.
What would you suggest? Economic sanctions? Open war?
Wait... so now you WANT America to come and make every corner of the world safe for democracy? It's so dizzying.
I suppose it's to be open war then, unless there's some other form of "hard action" you have in mind. That'll be real good for the world. Much better than gradual cultural reform. I'm sure China will simply hand Tibet over without a fight, because they're pretty reasonable about having things taken away from them.
If the people of Tibet really want to be free, they should stand up for their right to self-determination, or at least representation in government.
...because "hacker" sounds way sexier than "code drone."
Well Americans have been arrested for wearing the "wrong" shirt in a mall and for saying to dick cheney that the war in Iraq was morally reprehensible. Give it a little time and if we continue on this course people will be disappeared for free speech outside of a free speech zone.
Liberal BS. I'll ignore it.
Why don't you explore outside your own country and examine other systems of government before you decide the US is the great satan.
Whos a liberal? The freedom of the individual is paramount, and that unfortunately is neither a liberal or conservative idea. Neither party fully support the Constitution. I believe in the Constitution as its written. The 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, the commerce clause, especially. Who has a better system of goverment than our constitution as written? I don't think the US is the great satan, I just don't like those that trample the Constitution, and those that allow it to happen (the courts).
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Really?
The original poster wasn't talking about China -- he was claiming that Post-9/11 America is a "freer" country than China, because relatively few Americans' rights had been abused.
Programmers (application developers or operating systems designers) secure computer systems from malicious users by denying our programs the ability to escalate their own privileges.
Pre-9/11 America was designed along the same principles: Governments, in order to secure the liberty of their citizens, limited their own powers.
An operating system isn't secure "because it hasn't been hacked". It can only be deemed secure when userland processes can't be compromised by bad input, and if (that is, when) a userland process is compromised, the operating system denies the compromised process the ability to take over the rest of the machine. Segmentation fault: Core dumped.
Likewise, a country isn't free "because no US bloggers have been imprisoned for criticizing the US government". A country can only be deemed free when a blogger can't be legally imprisoned for criticizing his or her government, and if (that is, when) some grandstanding politician manages to pass law like that, the law is immediately struck down as unconstitutional.
You secure a system by making it hard to compromise. When the guy in Marketing wants software to be automatically installed when a user visits a web page "because everyone hates installing software", the only correct response is "NO."
You secure a citizen's rights by making it hard for anyone, even yourself, to take them away. When the guy on the campaign trail wants to spy on everyone "because it's for the children", the correct response must again be "NO."
The wonderful thing about believing in a government conspiracy is that no one can prove you wrong.
Having no proof of the conspiracy just proves that it's a really good one, and therefore we should be more afraid.
I think we should be vigilant about protecting our rights, but let's be careful about assuming things that are unsubstantiated.
An important change for education.
encouraged with what, beatings in nearest state penitiary ?
Read radical news here
I know I have said a lot of smack on slashdot including trashing the president. And the FBI never showed up at my front door. That probably is the biggest difference between US and China.
Just making a point that with the recent law changes, this scenario inches closer to possibility.
I always found it amusing that we had to invade Iraq because Saddam was committing genocide and all of his human rights violations, but we bend over backwards for China. I think the same geniuses who thought Iraq would pull a 180 if they got democracy think that China will undergo a similar change once the people taste the fruits of capitalism.
Blar.
Yes it's all a big conspiracy. Nobody can get a fair trial anymore, especially if you're a minority. All judges are bought off by corporate interests.
It's fine to dislike flaws in the US judicial system, and seek to correct them. But the liberal BS is when you compared the US to other systems and ignore when the US is more fair just because you take issue with a relatively minor problem.
You have blinders on if you think when I am critical of Chinese courts that I am holding up US courts as perfect and unassailable. Please don't bring in off topic discussion of the minor problems of US (or EU) courts when they are trivial in comparison to other legal systems around the world.
A flea in your home is not the same as a rhinoceros in your home.
“Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
Well I would rather be on trial here in the US than China. My point was all courts do whatever the hell they want in a matter of speaking. Which court is worse is a matter of your point of view.
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Yes, until you notice that their definition of "their own borders" includes Tibet and Taiwan...
Yea, I guess I'm just not smoking enough cannabis to understand your point of view.
Sorry for all the insults, but I felt it was necessary to fight stupid with stupid. Perhaps liberalism is a mental disorder, who knows.
“Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
Bill O' Reilly is that you? Anyone who disagrees with you is dumb and liberal, now thats a sign of a superior intellect. And for the last time Im not a Liberal, Im a registered Libertarian. Speaking of intelligence, and stereotypes, I bet you spend your Sundays at church with the rest of the conservative sheeple.
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> Blog service providers in China are "encouraged" to register users with their real names and contact information,
Or just use your Yahoo! account and they'll hand it (and you) over to the Communists for you.
And you think this is a bad thing? Making inept bloggers disappear should be counted as a public service.
Sorry about the writing. Robot fingers, you know? Cliff Steele in DOOM PATROL #23
Oh wait, MySpace is supposed to close and report accounts of sex offenders. How are they going to do this without getting their real names or make sure the information doesn't end up in government's hands for other reasons?
If the government controlled the media, everyone who writes a letter to the editor of a newspaper would go to jail. They all complain about the government. Someone calls George Bush a "liar" on a daily basis.
I'm sure there is some deep dark conspiracy that can explain the rationale behind this. Maybe they can explain it to the Chinese so that they can get it on the action.
If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem
Which is precisely as it should be, because why should the US be involved in a purely European/Asian war that did not concern them? If the Europeans and Asians can't get along with one another, why is that our problem? Until of course they attack us... then all bets are off.
Well, they actually don't need everyone to publish their name in order to know where to find "abusers". I work for one of the biggest blogging service company in Russia. In the last 3 - 4 years maybe 15 people were brought to court over something they wrote in their blog and our company was _never_ asked to release some info about the blogger in question. They somehow manage to do without us.
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What does Bill O'Reilly have to do with Michael Savage? I fail to see the connection. Howard Stern has a radio show too, let's include him in the discussion as well.
Your stupidity has nothing to do with your being a Libertarian. I myself am a small-l lbertarian (and read publications of groups like the Cato Institute regularly). And one of my favourite books is by Milton Friedman. All of which is irrelevant to the discussion.
Just because you don't think you're one of those nancy boy far left card carrying democrats does not mean I can not point out the stupidity of your position and the obvious liberal brainwashing you have received. And I'm not talking about the nice liberals who want to help the poor, save working class jobs, and promote peace throughout the world. I'm talking about the vile leaders of the self-labelled liberal movement who wish to disassemble the foundations of this country so they can rebuild it in their own image.
When people try to blow minor problems in America to the same proportions as significant problems that are running rampant through our world, you do everyone a disservice, and you make yourself appear as a fool. This knee jerk response to any criticism of another nation by an American is completely unproductive, if you want to discuss problems with the American judicial system, fine. But that was not the topic. (besides our prison system is in far more crisis than our courts, if you want to start getting critical)
The problems of our courts have nothing to do with the dysfunction of Chinese courts. They are not on the same scale, they are not related in any way, the problems lack any similarity. The only similarity between the two topics is that they are both heavy criticism, if all you can think of is to criticize your own country and end any constructive discussion about the problems outside our borders, then you are working for Them.
“Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
l'Homme n'est Rien l'Oeuvre Tout: Gustave Flaubert to George Sand
if all you can think of is to criticize your own country and end any constructive discussion about the problems outside our borders, then you are working for Them.
and who is this nefarious "Them"?
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I thought you said you were a big-L Libertarian, I'm sure you can come up with plenty of conspiracy theories without my help.
“Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
I just don't like those that trample the Constitution, and those that allow it to happen (the courts).
But that's the job of the courts. This is the legacy of the idiotic British Common Law system. In Common Law countries, laws as written by legislatures really aren't very important; what's ultimately binding is what some weasely lawyer can convince a jury of morons of in a court. Then, whatever idiocy this decision is, becomes law through something called "legal precendent".
A lot of people seem to complain about "judicial activism" whenever a judge or court decides something in a way they don't like. However, they continually fail to understand that that is what the court's role is: to create laws.
Even worse, we're continually lied to in our Civics classes in school, where we're told that our government has three branches, the legislative to create laws, the executive to enforce laws, and the judicial to interpret them. That's complete crap. The "laws" written by the legislative branch are little more than advisories for the judicial branch.
If we wanted a sensible system of laws and government, where the branches of government really work like I said above, we'd adopt the French Civil Law system, which is descended directly from Roman Law, and is the form of law used in nearly every other country in the world, for good reason. In Civil Law, weasely lawyers don't have as much power or importance, and courts are actually bound by written laws. Instead of our system, where two people committing the exact same crime can get totally different results, the Civil Law system is consistent in its application.
The idea of a single judge (or worse, a jury of twelve morons) making the laws that we must all live by, instead of having them made by an elected legislature, is as insane as having a dictator make all the decisions for a country.
In China, after doing similiar thing, there is a high probability that you will never see polices showed up at your front door. Just you are not granted to not be caught. That's probably the real difference.
If you cannot see why any decent human being would be involved in a war like that, you have a serious moral defect.
I capitalized a noun, not everyone falls into your neat categories. Not to mention you dodged the question. Are you a professional politician?
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