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Viacom Says User Infringed His Own Copyright

Chris Knight writes "I ran for school board where I live this past fall and created some TV commercials including this one with a 'Star Wars' theme. A few months ago VH1 grabbed the commercial from YouTube and featured it in a segment of its show 'Web Junk 2.0.' Neither VH1 or its parent company Viacom told me they were doing this or asked my permission to use it, but I didn't mind it if they did. I thought that Aries Spears's commentary about it was pretty hilarious, so I posted a clip of VH1's segment on YouTube so that I could put it on my blog. I just got an e-mail from YouTube saying that the video has been pulled because Viacom is claiming that I'm violating its copyright. Viacom used my video without permission on their commercial television show, and now says that I am infringing on their copyright for showing the clip of the work that Viacom made in violation of my own copyright!"

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  1. Fair Use by TheGreek · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Viacom used his video as part of a report that included commentary on it. That's fair use.

    He then used Viacom's derivative work, but, it seems, didn't provide any commentary on the clip you uploaded to YouTube. Instead, he just made a direct copy. That's copyright infringement.

    1. Re:Fair Use by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 5, Interesting

      So if I post an entire movie but give a commentary of it alongside its fair use?

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    2. Re:Fair Use by tarogue · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "There is no right to fair use." -- Preston Padden, head of government relations for Walt Disney Corp.

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    3. Re:Fair Use by eric76 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If he paid an outside studio to do it, I would assume they acquired permission from the copyright owners.

      Of course, the licenses may have been to only air the advertisement a maximum number of times or for a limited period of time.

    4. Re:Fair Use by hedwards · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm pretty sure that they didn't use excerpts, but used more or less the entire thing. Besides the show isn't a news cast or similar journalistic endeavor.

      I find it hard to believe that in an era where a tv show or movie has to get ever little item in a shot cleared of trademark infringement that an issue this large in comparison would be OK.

    5. Re:Fair Use by MartinG · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, he didn't even say it was copyright infringement. He said it was "theft pure and simple" which is even more wrong, and that's saying something.

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    6. Re:Fair Use by cfulmer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That's not entirely clear from the facts. He has at least a decent claim that Viacom's use was not fair -- it's not particularly transformative (minimum commentary), it was a creative original work, and the entire thing was taken. To me, that sounds like infringement.

      But, here's where it gets more interesting: if you create an unauthorized derivative work (which, if I'm right, Viacom did), you hit 17 USC 103(a):

      ". . . protection for a work employing preexisting material in which copyright subsists does not extend to any part of the work in which such material has been used unlawfully."

      In other words, the portion of Viacom's work that includes the original video IS NOT COPYRIGHTABLE.

      As a result, his posting of that portion was perfectly legal.

    7. Re:Fair Use by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The submitter said he posted the video on YouTube so he could put it up on his own blog - making use of YouTube as a file host. Assuming the blogger did make (written) commentary on his own blog, but the video is also available on YouTube without commentary, where would fair use come down on the issue?

      I'm not a lawyer and obviously don't know what the courts will decide, but I suggest the following interpretation:

      A reasonable argument in favour of a copyright exemption is to allow copying a sample of a work to illustrate critical commentary. A sample would be of significant value when used in connection with the commentary, but of limited value in isolation, and thus it would meet the standard fair use ideal of allowing reuse of the material without damaging the market for the original.

      Therefore, if the clip on YouTube is of only incidental value when viewed separately, it should be regarded as legitimate. However, if it's a substantial chunk of the original work being republished unmodified and having value in its own right, then it's more than just a sample and it goes beyond just supporting a critical commentary, so it should not be exempt.

      This gives a fairly black-and-white test for courts to apply to determine whether material is fair use in such cases, and seems to me to be consistent with the statute law in the US.

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    8. Re:Fair Use by mr_mischief · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Bullshit.

      Viacom doesn't own the clip made from his clip because it's a derivative work of his clip. A commentary is not enough for them to claim fair use of his entire clip. The only part they might be able to claim copyright on is their commentary.

      He then used their commentary along with his own copyrighted content, so that's fair use of their commentary.

      IANAL, but there seems to be copyright infringement, attempted misappropriation of copyright, and a fraudulent DMCA take-down notice all coming from Viacom.

    9. Re:Fair Use by nine-times · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I still think there's an interesting issue here-- even assuming the submitter has the right to copy/display the work as "fair use", does that mean that YouTube had the same right to be hosting it? What I mean is, even if he only threw it up on Youtube so he could host it on his own site, and his site was exercising fair use, Youtube is still generating profit by allowing people to view the video, and as you mentioned, it isn't necessarily accompanied by commentary.

      Notice Viacom didn't sue the submitter for copyright infringement, but still got Youtube to take the video down. I'm not sure I'm making my point clear, but maybe the submitter does have the legal right to post the video, but Youtube doesn't have the right to make money by being the submitter's host for the movie. Is there a legal distinction there?

      IANAL, but it seems to me that the submitter might have more luck hosting the video on his own site.

    10. Re:Fair Use by bugnuts · · Score: 2, Interesting

      In addition, "Fair Use" is an admission of copyright violation, but one that is excusable. You are granted copyrights on your original works in a fixed medium, and Fair Use gives certain allowances where violating that copyright may not be prosecuted.

  2. Re:He should counterclaim by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    He should counterclaim and sue for damages.

    How many copies did Viacom sent out to viewers homes?

    Isn't it something like $250,000 per copy? Assuming that everything this guy is saying is true, he has a great opportunity to make Viacom pay and make them pay hard. And I hope that Chris does because that's the only way Viacom is going to learn its lesson. If I were Chris, I would file a lawsuit that throws their numbers right back at them to the tune of billions and let their lawyers deal with it.

    This could be a case that turns around the current situation.

    Chris, if ever you had the opportunity to be an asshole but be right about being an asshole, now is the time. Take Viacom to the cleaners for all of us.
  3. You fail to understand one thing by palladiate · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Copyright, as it exists today, isn't to protect content creators. Few music and graphic artists actually keep copyright to their works, instead losing them as works-for-hire. Copyright exists soley to monetize "content." You were not monetizing it, and that's probably why Viacom stepped in to claim copyright.

    To sound preachy for a minute, this is the capitalist version of nationalization. Seriously, I'm currently working with a major content company (Time Warner), and that's the way they treat content. Look at their remote DVR. They feel they can make money by violating the copyright of many, many content creators. Many in operations and senior management feel that if it's not being monetized, then it should be yours.

    So, your problem was that you weren't making sufficient money, and that you weren't sufficiently powerful to protect yourself. Get yourself a good lawyer and prove them wrong.

  4. Hah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Microsoft did about the same thing to us at LSI Logic with code we wrote for a custom CPU. They glommed it from our dev kit for the CE support then claimed we were violating their copyright by continuing to distribute that code snippet with our dev kit. Go figure.

  5. An interesting wrinkle by hey! · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The original clip is a campaign commercial. Thus when Viacom played it with commentary, they were not only engaging in artistic speech, but political speech as well. It'd be one thing if they exploited some poor schlump's crappy Star Wars fan film, in this case they're commenting on the schlump's crappy Star Wars political message.

    Political messages are usually intended to be repeated; this guy would have a hard time arguing that he was damaged in any economic way. He may be politically damaged, but being mocked for your political message is part of being in politics. It would do tremendous damage if politicians could use copyright to control how their political speech is reproduced.

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  6. Always wholesale and always highly inaccurate by dpbsmith · · Score: 4, Interesting

    While I, too, am indignant, I'll point out only that accusations of online copyright infringement are almost always done semiautomatically, with a very broad brush, very unreliably, and with very little recourse. Without wanting to be sympathetic to the jerks who do it, most of these sites handle far too many items and have far too small a staff for each item to have any human intelligence applied to it. And the number of items that are unfairly pulled and accounts unfairly cancelled is too large for the sites to review them in any timely or intelligent or sympathetic way.

    I'm not sure if it's still true, but at one point the eBay selling community warned people never to include terms like "CD-R" in an item description, because eBay automatically searched for such terms and automatically cancelled such auctions. The intention of course was to deal with people selling home-made copies of things on CD-R media, but it also caught obviously-innocent items ("TEAC Home Audio CD-R Recorder" would be a hypothetical example).

    When I bought my Rocket eBook device, one of the selling points was an online site called the RocketLibrary which contained a wealth of material in Rocket format. Virtually all of it was personally created by site users or was conversions of public domain material, e.g. Project Gutenberg texts, to Rocket format. But eventually they shut down the entire site... even though the sales material mentioned the site was one of the reasons to own a Rocket eBook... claiming copyright violation. The actual copyright violations probably amounted to much less than 1% of the items on the site.

    For a long time I used AudioGalaxy. Most of the things I downloaded from it were simply not available commercially (unless you are better at searching the iTunes store than I am and know where to find "My Reverie" as sung by Bea Wain), and many were in the public domain (1920s acoustic recordings of Vesta Victoria singing English music hall songs). Suddenly one day... a few months before the site folded, searches for this material would bring up a notice saying, specifically, that it had been removed because it was in violation of copyright. Of course I emailed them, explaining why the specific items I wanted to download were not under copyright, and of course I didn't even receive the courtesy of a reply. I surmise that what happened was that the music publishers provided AudioGalaxy with a list of material that had been properly licensed, and AudioGalaxy had taken it upon itself to claim that everything else was infringing, without spending ten seconds' due diligence.

    And of course the Terms of Service on such services always say, basically, they can do whatever they feel like, remove any items they don't like, and cancel any accounts they feel like cancelling.

    It upsets me, too, but railing against the stupidity of individual cases is probably a waste of indignation.

  7. Re:Contact Them by Wite_Noiz · · Score: 2, Interesting

    From a quick look through the YouTube ToS, Viacom may actually be allowed to use his work without asking for permission (assuming they are a YouTube affiliate):
    http://youtube.com/t/terms
    6.C. "by submitting User Submissions to YouTube, you hereby grant YouTube a worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free, sublicenseable and transferable license to use, reproduce, distribute, prepare derivative works of, display, and perform the User Submissions in connection with the YouTube Website and YouTube's (and its successors' and affiliates') business, including without limitation for promoting and redistributing part or all of the YouTube Website (and derivative works thereof) in any media formats and through any media channels."

    It's possible Viacom really dropped the ball on this and are indeed infringing; but Chris should really be careful how he treads.

  8. Re:Two infringements make a right? by Abcd1234 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    No, it's an unauthorized derivative work - they own NOTHING. 17 USC 103(a).

    Unless the clip was used for scholarship, criticism, parody, or a number of other exceptions which fall under the fair use doctrine. And given the usage included commentary, fair use may very well apply.

  9. don't get me started by Scrameustache · · Score: 2, Interesting

    And the funniest part-- the whole things is still a derivative from George Lucas' work. And Luca's works is derivative of Asimov, Herbert, Kurosawa, Tolkien, etc, etc, etc.
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  10. Re:Two infringements make a right? by cfulmer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Don't confuse fair use with derivative works -- they're not mutually exclusive. For example, I could take a work, insert my own commentary and produce a derivative work which is also a fair use.

    A derivative work does not necessarily need to be a new version of the work. Consider Mirage Editions v. Albuquerque A.R.T. Co. -- the defendant took pieces of the plaintiff's art, pasted them to ceramic tiles, and sold them, creating a Derivative Work! This is very similar to what Viacom did here, only Viacom pasted the work into a somewhat broader video.

    By saying "I just answer that question in the negative," I mean that I don't think Viacom's use was fair. Consider:

    Factor 1: the use was commercial, for entertainment purposes, and not particularly transformative.
    Factor 2: the copyrighted work was a creative video, at the core of copyright protection
    Factor 3: the entire work was used
    Factor 4: little to no effect on the market.

    Factors 1-3 say no fair use.

    If we assume that the Viacom video was an infringing unauthorized derivative work, then the portion of the video that included the work is not protected by copyright (under 103(a)), and the poster could do whatever the heck he wanted to with it.