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Big Box Store Reps Push Unnecessary Recovery Discs

Ed Albro, PC World writes "At PC World, we've got a story today on salespeople at Best Buy and Circuit City pushing consumers to pay the stores' technicians to create recovery discs for their new laptops. Recovery discs are important to have, of course, but the fact is that they're easy to make yourself. Or you can get them from the manufacturer of your PC, often for half of what Best Buy and Circuit City charge you. The salespeople often tell you that you can buy from the manufacturer — but they claim you'll pay twice as much as the stores charge."

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  1. What happened? by ChrisMP1 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I remember when it was commonplace to get a recovery disc along with your computer; now you have to pay (quite a bit) for software that's already on your system. What happened?

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    1. Re:What happened? by TheQuantumShift · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Most do come with recovery cd's. These the employees often steal when they perform their "system setup" of crapware installation. I had thought it an urban legend until I checked the box from my dads laptop before he checked out and lo and behold, no discs. At first I was told the laptop never came with any. I might have accepted this except there was a nice little "troubleshooting" sheet in the box that detailed how to use the discs... They were "found" immediately.

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    2. Re:What happened? by ScrappyLaptop · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Hey, we the buying public wanted our $299 PC's and laptops and we got 'em! Why pay for documentation that let's face it is going to be around a lot longer than the system it describes? B'sides, if a PC/laptop lasts three years and then something goes wrong, the average joe or jane is just going to go out and get a new one.



          My question is, when you buy a top of the line system are you treated the same way? I'm not talking about the corporate 'buying experience' which is a whole different game...

  2. Old Dupe? by Cpt_Kirks · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think this was covered in the story a while back about the ex Circuit City employee who disclosed all their "secrets". It wasn't in the main story, but was in the linked story.

  3. Turnabout! by Cpt_Kirks · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What people buying from them should do, is, upon being told about the disks and the charge for them, DEMAND they be included free, or they will not buy the computer.

    If the salesman refuses, raise hell with his manager. Purchaser gets the disks for free, salesman gets reprimanded (or fired).

    Heh.

    1. Re:Turnabout! by eric76 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      One thing to consider is whether or not the purchaser is likely to return in the future. Even if they aren't buying much that day, don't assume that they won't be back in the future for other things.

      I used to live near a Best Buy store and went there fairly frequently. Because it was nearby and on my way home, I nearly always just went in there for a specific item. I'd buy it and leave. If I needed something else the next day, I'd go over there for that item.

      The only store that was closer was a Circuit City, but I flat refused to do business with them at all by that time.

      Years ago, when CDs were just starting to catch on for computers, I went to Circuit City to buy a CD player. The package just said it was compatible with Windows 95 and 98. So I told the salesman that since I was using NT, I'd just bring it back for a refund if it turned out not work with NT.

      His manager was standing behind us and told me that would not let me return it under those circumstances -- their policy was that if it worked on the systems that were listed on the box, then they would not accept it back.

      I walked out, went to another store about a mile away and bought the same model CD player from them after making sure I could return it if it didn't work with NT. It worked fine.

      At the time, my stereo had broken and I was in the market for a new stereo. I had already picked out the one I wanted at Circuit City and had intended to buy it that same trip. Why pick up the bulky objects first and carry them around the store? I ended up buying a different stereo elsewhere rather than do business with Circuit City.

      To this day, I will not step foot in a Circuit City store and do not intend to ever do business with them again.

    2. Re:Turnabout! by ronin510 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      So, I look at the other stuff you're buying, to see if we're making any sort of profit on you at all. If you're loaded up with stuff that we actually make money on, I'd be happy to do you the favor. Otherwise, I'd be more than happy to sell that computer to someone we'll make a profit on instead.

      Go ahead, threaten to take your business elsewhere. We'd much rather you buy the computer somewhere else, and cause a competitor to lose money. Raise hell with my manager if you want. He'll promise you that I'll be "dealt with" just to make you go away, and then he'll come over and say to me, "man, that guy was a total asshole." I can't even tell you how many times I saw that happen.

      I've worked at Best Buy as well, for both the computer and Geek Squad departments. While it is true that Best Buy does not make much money off a computer sale alone, you forget that a non-sale of a computer is still lost revenue.

      Pick a scenario:
      1. Make an immediate sale, but with less profit.
      2. Deny the sale because of the "measly" profit and have the computer sit there for a few more weeks.

      From a business perspective, you've already lost money on wages, electricity, rent, products, etc. By having your product just sit there, you are doing nothing for the overall productivity of the company. Dell makes huge profits because they have a negative product-stocked/sales ratio. They actually sell the product before they have to store it in their warehouses, if at all.

      Best Buy, from what I can remember from our store meetings, have a product shelf life of about 1-2 weeks before they have to replenish stock. The process goes something like this:

      1. Buy products from manufacturers. (Lose money)
      2. Keep products in warehouses.(Lose more money on rent/maintenance of warehouse)
      3. Sit on store shelves, awaiting sale. (Lose more money on employees and other retail costs)
      4. Finally selling the product to a customer. (Profit!)

      It's understandable that you'd want to sell the computer bundle for as much money as possible, but there are times when that won't happen. Customers will simply come in for the computer itself and nothing else. At times when it's a huge sale and with limited quantities, I've seen employees say they're out of stock simply to stop the sale from happening. Ethics aside, I can see why a store would want to do that (though I don't agree with it). But when that computer will just be sitting there for weeks, what's the point in not selling it? You're just going to cost the company more money.

  4. What happened to the Manufacturer's disks? by The+Angry+Mick · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's been awhile since I bought any computer equipment from a big box store, so excuse any ignorance, but don't the manufacturers include recovery CDs in the packaging?

    Are the big box stores removing the manufacturer's CD from the packaging and either tossing it, or re-selling it? I can't imagine the latter would go over very well with the manufacturers.

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  5. Re:No suprise by Colin+Smith · · Score: 2, Interesting

    And you didn't mention to him that this was attempted fraud, (while writing down his name)?

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  6. Re:What I find interesting about that . . . by Cutriss · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Most of these in-store warranties are a substitute for your existing warranty, in that you just bring your console into the store, they replace it with one of their retail stock, and they (are supposed to) mark your old console as defective and return it to the vendor as a sales return. So, your turn-around time is a lot faster.

    However, in today's era of Internet purchases, this usually partially/fully disconnects you with the stuff you bought on the console. For example, if you replace your 360 in Best Buy, you have to submit documentation to Microsoft detailing this exchange before they'll reimburse you for any purchases for your paid downloads.

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  7. Ahhh.... Young'uns.... by Belial6 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I remember when you got the whole OS in it full retail box... With manuals no less. Heckpirate., I remember when MS was spouting that getting your manuals was a primary reason not to illegally copy your software.

    1. Re:Ahhh.... Young'uns.... by Anne+Honime · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You obviously are one yourself, for I clearly remember the page in my CP/M manual urging to and explaining how to actually duplicate the full system and utility disks from the originals as soon as possible, just in case. Going as far as suggesting to make more than one copy.

  8. 100% correct. by KingSkippus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    However, just because in this particular case you came out on top (replacement costs were higher than insurance costs) doesn't change the fact that, on average, you lose money when you buy small-scale insurance.

    I hope someone mods this up, especially since there are a lot of folks like me that have ACs auto-modded down.

    You're right on the mark. Here's the thing. If you buy warranties on everything you buy that they're offered on, at some point, you will come out ahead on some particular item. A laptop, a refrigerator, a microwave oven, a television, an iPod... Something. And, as the parent post noted, good for you.

    However, that thing that you came out ahead on has a nasty way of ingraining itself into your selective memory. You remember that thing that you came out ahead on, because wow, you saved hundreds of dollars. You tend to forget the thousands of dollars you lose $50 to $100 at a time by buying extended warranties that you never need or use.

    It's simple psychology, and retail stores are taking advantage of it, along with people's lack of knowledge about computers and their tendency to react to fear, to make billions of dollars a year. Ask any financial expert or consumer advocate and they'll all say the same thing: The only time you should ever purchase a warranty is if you literally cannot function without whatever it is you're buying the warranty for.

    Plus, that doesn't take into account the fact that most of the time, it's a lot harder to actually get companies to follow through on their warranties than the salespeople claim it will be. Keep in mind that when companies have to pay out warranties, that's taking money away from them that they had considered pure profit. It's very likely that they'll avoid fulfilling the terms based on some technicality. For example, did you keep all of the original packaging? Even the driver CD? My dad got burned on that one once. He tried to claim an extended warranty repair, and they wouldn't fulfill the warranty because he had thrown away a three-year-old driver disc.

    Last, but not least, it may seem like a bargain to buy a $200 five-year extended warranty on a $2000 computer. But in five years, what will that computer really be worth? If you're lucky, maybe $100 on eBay. You can get a replacement cheaper than you can ship the durn thing.

    Just don't do it. Take all money you would have spent on extended warranties and put it in a savings account. You'll earn interest on it, and in no time, you'll have enough money in the bank to replace anything like that that you would buy and you'll never need another warranty again.