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Storm Worm Evolves To Use Tor

An anonymous reader writes "Seems like the Storm botnet that was behind the last two waves of attacks is also responsible for this new kind of social-engineering based attacks, using spam to try and convince users of the necessity of using Tor for there communications. They 'kindly' provide a link to download a trojaned version of Tor. This blog entry has a link to the original post on or-talk mailing list which has some samples of the messages."

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  1. Are we late to the party? by Jennifer+York · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I'm surprised that it took this long for them to try to hide their tracks through anonymizers. Perhaps they've been doing this for quite sometime, and just now are we catching on to the technique...

    It just makes sense, and is obvious, and a natural progression of the technology..... Hey! Maybe I should write a patent!

    1. Re:Are we late to the party? by VGPowerlord · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm still not sure why people would actually listen to that. I mean... why would anyone just download a random program from a website without looking up said program in, say, google to see what it actually does?

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    2. Re:Are we late to the party? by Urd.Yggdrasil · · Score: 5, Informative

      They aren't using Tor to hide their traffic, their trying to trick users into download a Trojan saying that it is a Tor executable and they need to protect their privacy. The Storm bot net uses a system called Fast Flux to hide traffic.

    3. Re:Are we late to the party? by maxwell+demon · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm still not sure why people would actually listen to that. I mean... why would anyone just download a random program from a website without looking up said program in, say, google to see what it actually does? That's easy to solve. Just add a helpful comment to the mail saying:

      If you are not sure if you should install this program, get more information at http://www.evil.org/malware/installer.exe!
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    4. Re:Are we late to the party? by rucs_hack · · Score: 3, Interesting

      if you look at sites like gamecopyworld.com you will find a wealth of programs that people will download for legitimate (in the consumers mind) use, to mean they can keep their game dvds in their boxes. Add 'trainers' and 'fun free games' to the list and your looking at the majority of casual downloads not directly involving pron or media.

      The main problem though is closed source. If source is closed, then there is no easy way to find malicious code before it is deployed on your system. Ok, I'm speaking as a programmer, so that would be useful for me, not a non coder. Still, the point remains, binary distribution only means trouble, be it storm, a sony rootkit, or just 'phone home' code in a program.

      What we need is something sort of like gentoo, where all programs are compiled locally, and the code can be inspected for malicious intent. Alas such technology, while it does exist, does not exist in a form that could be disseminated and used by people with no technological background. This is a pipe dream for the moment, I know this. Especially since I tried once to compile openoffice locally (18 hours I think). Perhaps trusted compile farms that deliver fresh binaries?

      Waxing lyrical I know, but there has to be an answer somewhere.

    5. Re:Are we late to the party? by plover · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Because the modestly intelligent person you are hoping for might think, "This says to install tor, let me open a new window and google for it. Hey, this tor thing looks pretty good!" It's the sort of reaction we encourage people to have, to do some research before installing.

      Of course, they then follow the original link from the worm and they still get the trojan. So close, and yet so far... sigh.

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    6. Re:Are we late to the party? by plover · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why the hell would they care about de-anonymizing? No money in that.

      Are you kidding? If you could trace back a tor link to gaysex.com/bathroomEncounters.mpg to Senator Larry Craig's machine, don't you think TV shows like Dateline would be offering you tens of thousands of dollars for it?

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    7. Re:Are we late to the party? by ThisNukes4u · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Only if you can also trust the compiler chain.

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    8. Re:Are we late to the party? by CastrTroy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Just because somebody can verify the code, doesn't mean I want to spend days/weeks looking through all the code in a newly downloaded program, just to verify that it isn't doing something I don't want it to, and hope that I didn't miss anything in the millions of lines of code. Do most people who use Gentoo even bother reading more than 1% of the code? Sure it's good after the fact if you find malware that you can pin it on someone, but the best way to deal with this stuff is don't run software from untrusted sources, regardless of whether or not it's open source. I'd much rather run most of my stuff out of some sort of sandbox, at least the stuff that isn't speed critical (like RDBMSs and such) so that I can monitor what they are trying to do. Things such as going on the internet should be flagged, as well as writing to certain folders. Think of it like a firewall, only for all conceivably bad actions, not just network traffic.

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    9. Re:Are we late to the party? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      > as long as the users have some antivirus...

      Since storm is controlled peer-to-peer, shouldn't it be possible to co-opt it into sending out anti-virus spam?

      The real problem with a huge/scary bot net like this, is not that a small group of people can control it, but that in theory anyone can take it over for their own purposes.

    10. Re:Are we late to the party? by Iron+Condor · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The main problem though is closed source. If source is closed, then there is no easy way to find malicious code before it is deployed on your system. Ok, I'm speaking as a programmer, so that would be useful for me, not a non coder. Still, the point remains, binary distribution only means trouble, be it storm, a sony rootkit, or just 'phone home' code in a program.

      Not really. In a binary I can at least in principle parse rudimentarily for things like "does this ever call the TCP/IP stack" and raise a flag ("why should tetris initiate outbound connections?"). In source, it is pretty darn easy to obfuscate intent ("// open port for game engine here" or such). I doubt that either is really more secure. Nice that I can get the source for OOo, but am I going to actually read the whole thing and then compile it myself (after compiling my own compiler, of course)? Or am I going to download the binary?

      What we need is something sort of like gentoo, where all programs are compiled locally, and the code can be inspected for malicious intent. Alas such technology, while it does exist, does not exist in a form that could be disseminated and used by people with no technological background

      Sure it does: It's called "just-in-time" compilation. Usually used by languages like TCL or Java that compile to bytecode which is then run on a VM. In principle that allows you to inspect code (unless that code is now jar'ed up or such). And unless we are curious how something was programmed, you and I both will just run it without ever looking at the code....

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    11. Re:Are we late to the party? by Goaway · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You're expecting a SENATOR to be able to use TOR?

    12. Re:Are we late to the party? by Heembo · · Score: 2, Funny

      LAUGH. A technique like this was effective in getting 60% of a section of IRS employees to give up their password. When I brought this up to my dad (who works there) his answer was, why, you want mine? here it is....

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  3. Storm is still a trojan, not a worm by A+beautiful+mind · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As always, it works based on user stupidity, not programmer stupidity.

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    1. Re:Storm is still a trojan, not a worm by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As always, it works based on user stupidity

      Oh no, the internet's doomed! :(

  4. Re:Ummm. by memnock · · Score: 2, Insightful

    if TOR goes down, it's likely another network would pop up in it's place.

  5. Spelling... by rumith · · Score: 4, Insightful

    using spam to try and convince users of the necessity of using Tor for there communications. It took me a second to understand what the author meant. Spell-checking, anyone?

    Speaking on topic, I'd like to correct one of the previous posters: it's not a mere variation on the "Use XXX Bank" theme; as far as I understand, Tor has been picked among tons of other software that could be infected and supplied to users because it helps the spammers in covering their tracks, since their email is routed through Tor now.

  6. Who is behind the Storm Botnet? by kryptkpr · · Score: 5, Interesting
    There is an excellent article in Wired from several weeks ago from when Storm was used to DDoS the entire country of Estonia for 2 weeks. A fantastic read, but here's a particularly scary excerpt: Hackers Take Down the Most Wired Country in Europe

    If that is the case -- if Azizov isn't trying to cloud the issue -- the implication is perhaps more troubling. It suggests that there is a group of Russian hackers who, on their own, can disrupt the routine functioning of commerce, media, and government any time they want. If so, these hackers represent a stateless power -- a sort of private militia.

    While the article does contain a lot of speculation and sketchy sources (like the above quoted Azizov) the evidence does seem to be pointing in a particular direction:

    I ask him why anyone would trust him. After all, he seems to have a suspiciously intimate knowledge of the Estonian attacks. "Russian IT specialists are knowledgeable and experienced enough to destroy the key servers of whole states," he says. "They're the best in the world."

    The implication: Clearly you want them on your side, so why not hire them? Maybe Estonia was simply an advertising campaign.

    It's starting to look an awful lot like another Cold War is coming, except this time it will be a Cyber war waged by turning your enemy's (and the rest of the world's) poorly secured computers against their critical infrastructure while the actual government absolves itself of blame. Nice.
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    1. Re:Who is behind the Storm Botnet? by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Hackers"? "Crackers"? Could we simply say "assholes" and concentrate on something meaningful? Like, finding some solution to it before our politicians get active and replace their cluelessness with operative hectic? It's fairly certain that some kind of law will be created, most likely one that has nothing to do with the problem, doesn't adress it at all, doesn't solve a thing and cripples the net.

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  7. Re:Ummm. by Colin+Smith · · Score: 4, Funny

    Seems a lot more advanced than most of the usual spam/bot/virus stuff I read about. You mean... More intelligently designed?

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  8. Unlikely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yeah, if people would do crazy shit like that then we'd have botnets consisting of billions of computers... oh wait.

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  10. Who are the stormbot people? by tjstork · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Seriously, somewhere, there ought to be a way of tracking the stormbot people back to its originators. From there, you can just send in a special forces team and just whack the guys. If one nation allows its citizens to hijacking of the assets of millions of another nation's citizens, isn't that just piracy by any other name, and if so, isn't that kind of an act of war?

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    1. Re:Who are the stormbot people? by Urd.Yggdrasil · · Score: 5, Informative

      The group running the system is taking precautions to avoid detection, such as using Fast Flux Also it is speculated that they are in a former Soviet block country, which tend to have very poor laws and few resources to go after such people.

    2. Re:Who are the stormbot people? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Seriously, somewhere, there ought to be a way of tracking the stormbot people back to its originators. Theoretically "yes". But in practice the answer is "no".

      The people running this botnet can choose from millions of computers they want to use as anonymous bouncers/routers. And they can tripwire their nodes so that after 30 minutes of use as a bouncer, the hard disks are overwritten with 0's (although in most cases this isn't required as IP addresses wouldn't be stored anyway).

      A chain of 20 hacked computers spanning the globe operating as routers is not easy to trace. You have to talk to each owner in the chain one-by-one and catch the bounced connection in realtime to reveal the IP for the next node in the chain. And the attackers can obfuscate their presence by programming their bots to simulate these proxy connections at random. Imagine having to trace through 100,000 chains, each containing 20-30 routing nodes. These chains are completely dynamic and randomly change every half an hour.

      The Storm botnet is almost the "perfect hack" unless the perpetrators make some big mistakes. If the owners of this botnet installed Freenet on all the bots, we'd have an unenforceable darknet which can only be blocked (maybe! - if you're really lucky) at the ISP. Anyone could tap into this new darknet and do as much internet crime as they like without ever having to worry about getting caught.
    3. Re:Who are the stormbot people? by 1u3hr · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Theoretically "yes". But in practice the answer is "no". The people running this botnet can choose from millions of computers they want to use as anonymous bouncers/routers

      So work from the other end. How do they make their money? Sending spam, apparently. How does spam make money? Currently, either by getting suckers to send money to them (viagra, Rolexes, etc) or pumping stocks the spammers have bought. In both cases, there must be a money trail, much easier to track than chasing a chain of proxies. Then squeeze these guys till they give up their associates, and eventually the botnet controllers. It takes a government to pressure the stock exchanges, credit card agencies and banks to give up their customers, though, vigilantes aren't going to get anywhere.

    4. Re:Who are the stormbot people? by Colin+Smith · · Score: 2, Funny

      Damnit. The bad guys get all the best software!

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  11. When your users are illiterate ... by DrSkwid · · Score: 2, Funny

    it is easier to infiltrate there[sic] communications.

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    1. Re:When your users are illiterate ... by DrSkwid · · Score: 3, Funny

      are you su're ?

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  12. Re:Ummm. by Silver+Sloth · · Score: 2, Informative

    For instance, is there a possibility that this is a military operation? No, this is private entrprise at its best - the high tech goes where the money is.

    What is surprising is that it's taken so long for the spammers to realise that by investing ih a high tech, well engineered solution they can make far more money than the low tech solutions we've seen in the past.
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  13. Misleading headline by yuna49 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The Storm worm isn't using Tor.

    The spam email in question tells the reader that, if they are running torrents, they should use this Tor thing to cover their tracks. The link points to the trojan. The file in question is about 150K in size, or about 20x smaller than the Windows version of Tor (2-3 MB) on the actual site.

    I posted a warning about this very email on a well-known anime site since I suspected some people there might download it in response to the e-mail.

    There's also a version that poses as a YouTube video.

    Most of these emails have URLs that use IP addresses, not domain names. Between my SpamAssassin rules and Mozilla Thunderbird's built-in anti-malware protections, messages like these are either quarantined or tagged as dangerous. I've not seen an legitimate email from any correspondent that uses URLs with IP addresses in the host part.

    I opened the YouTube version in a Windows VM that had Kaspersky installed. It identified an attempted replacement of tcpip.sys and told me it should be quarantined. Unfortunately a ClamAV scan of the file did not detect anything suspicious.

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  15. My question is.. by XenophileJKO · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If the command and control and updating is done via peer to peer instead of a centralized server, why has nobody created a "Vaccine" that would spread itself back to all the infected nodes. The code can't be that hard to crack to determine how to insert new functionality into the infected hosts. Just inject a new command to spread this update to all your peers and after you succeed, close down all of the command and control vectors. Cleanup and fixing the holes originally used for infection would clearly be useful too, but unnecessary to contain the damage. Really there are tons of things you could do.

    I mean this might create an "arms race" where they continue to lock down access to the botnet, but I would love to see the looks on their faces when large sections of the botnet stop responding to commands.

    Seriously as "Brilliant" as these guys are I guarantee there are probably people smarter that can crack their network. I know what I am talking about is probably not legal, but it surely is ethical.

  16. several ways by Bananatree3 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There are several ways spammers get emails. They can do massive internet searches for emails and harvest them that way (if you post on USENET with your email addy its almost gueranteed to be spammed). They also guess a username and if it doesn't bounce back they know they've got a hit.

  17. There was such a anti-worm worm... by Bananatree3 · · Score: 2, Informative

    The Nachi worm was written to search out computers infected with the now-famous Blaster worm and patch the computer with a Microsoft patch. It replicated itself around the world, and once the patch had been implemented and the Blaster worm deleted it deleted itself. Unfortunately it created a heck of a lot of traffic on infected networks, which slowed them down considerably.

  18. time traveller from 1987 goes 20 years in future, by circletimessquare · · Score: 2, Funny

    gets a sneak peek at Slashdot headlines:

    "hmmm, what is going on in the far off fantastical future of 2007?"

    Bringing Science and Math Into Writing?

    "Ah, an age old problem"

    Libraries Defend Open Access

    "Some sort of Fahrenheit 451 situation? has the government gone fascist? or the russians won the cold war?"

    New Legislation Proposed For Nuclear Safety

    "Ah! Chernobyl is still fresh in their minds! At least it seems we didn't nuke each other"

    Storm Worm Evolves to Use Tor

    "SWEET JESUS! DUNE IS REAL!? AND IN CAHOOTS WITH THE SCANDINAVIAN GODS? WHATR SORT OF SCIFI FANTASY FUTURE IS THIS!"

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  19. Re:from the above article. by XenophileJKO · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yes, but you understand the fundamental difference I hope. The Nachi worm was a worm that had to FIND infected hosts. Therefore it had to look using a port scanner which when you have thousands of machines scanning thousands of IP's creates huge amout of traffic.

    In this situation, the beauty is that you don't have to create a "worm" in the classical sense. Each infected client maintains a "peer" list so all you do is "fix" it's peers, it would cause a cascade failure of the botnet and use up much much less overhead than the Nachi example.

  20. Need editors who EDIT by The+Monster · · Score: 4, Funny
    Arguably, what is needed is the low-tech sort of spell-checker. Before we had automated computer programs, newspapers had people called 'copy editors' who would proofread the articles submitted by the reporters. They were looking not only for spelling, grammar, and usage problems, but they also would do fact-checking.

    Perhaps we could make the distinction clear this way: A machine that sells soft drinks is often referred to as a 'vender', while the guy selling hot dogs is more likely to be called a 'vendor'. With that in mind, I have toyed with a similar convention for other verb+er nouns:

    The person who checks spelling could be a spell-checkor, and the computer program would remain the spell-checker; the human surfing the Web would be a browsor, using a browser program. Programs such as vi or emacs would be editers....
    It's got as good a chance of adoption as *bibyte does.

    Now, if Cmdr Taco could just get editors who actually EDIT... Oh. He's the 'editor' who ran this story? Never mind.

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  21. You don't have to download the file to be infected by sjmurdoch · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Actually, if you're using an unpatched browser, you might not even have to download the file they offer to be infected. The web page includes Javascript exploits for half a dozen security vulnerabilities, which will install the trojan without user interaction. I've posted an analysis of the malware code on my blog.

    Despite what the article says, Storm isn't using Tor (other than trying to exploit it's reputation) and the download isn't a trojaned version of Tor – it's much too small to be that. What's more, the botnet operators appear to have dropped this strategy. While on Thursday the links in the spam went to a fake Tor download page, on Friday they showed a fake YouTube video, and now they show a fake NFL game tracker.

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  22. Um... excuse you? by Linkiroth · · Score: 4, Funny

    Your link didn't work.

  23. This is *not* using the Tor network or software by shava · · Score: 5, Informative

    This attack is not using our network or our software, only abusing our reputation. We sent this release to slashdot and others, days ago:

    ====
    The Tor Project, a US non-profit organisation producing Internet
    privacy software, is issuing an urgent warning about a spam email
    being circulated as a fake promotion for their software.

    The real Tor software provides privacy on the Internet to journalists,
    bloggers and human rights activists all over the world. The spam email
    promotes the virtues of the software, but then directs people to a
    series of fake websites that contain malicious code that will attempt
    to take over visiting machines, and the downloaded software is fake
    and equally dangerous to run.

    The real website is hosted at http://tor.eff.org/ and the Tor
    software can be downloaded from there. Users are able to check that
    they have received the official version by following the instructions
    at: http://wiki.noreply.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter/Ver ifyingSignatures

    Shava Nerad, Development Director for the Tor Project said, "I am
    disgusted that criminals who want to recruit more machines for their
    illegal activities should trade on our reputation for providing
    privacy on the Internet. Fortunately we already have systems in place
    so that people can verify that they are downloading the official
    software. But this is a distraction from our work that we could do
    without."
    ====

    This stuff makes us sad. But you won't even get a trojanned client, just a trojan. And the page you click through to will try to exploit holes in your browser security, so don't even click through.

    Yrs,
    Shava Nerad
    Development Director
    The Tor Project

  24. Re:Look at the timeline. by tjstork · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The killings are "down" in that each section has pretty much killed everyone they didn't like in that section. Or the people that were being targeted have run away.

    That's not true, particuarly, in Anbar. What happened in Anbar was that Al Qaeda was very popular because the people saw two things: a) the USA was overwhelmingly pro-shiite at Sunni expense, and that b) Al Qaeda said they were anti-American. However, Al Qaeda tried to establish a very strict brand of Islam, and started doing things like execute Iraqi Sunnis for crimes such as smoking a cigarette. Meanwhile, the USA switched its tactics, and, through a mixture of killing Al Qaeda, greasing a few palms, and outright negotations with the very Sunnis we were fighting, established the belief that we weren't out to destroy the Sunnis, and that, we were really after AQ, and that we wanted a stable Iraq. Pushing Maliki to include Sunnis was a huge part of that.

    And when he fails, the next general will be the one "we should have had from the get go".

    If he fails. Signs are, he has not.

    The Kurds have been fairly peaceful ever since we established the "no fly zones" over their territory after Gulf War I. So don't go claiming that that is any improvement

    Boy, that's a way to whitewash things. The Kurds aren't just peaceful, they are actually starting to have an economy.

    Now it is just over who controls the oil fields and who gets stuck with the worthless territory.

    The fact of the matter, is that the USA is pushing the Malika government to adopt something like the Alaska model for oil revenues - where every Iraqi would just get a piece of the oil money.

    Gotta love that kind of insightful commentary.

    My commentary is a thousand times more insightful than yours will ever be. You should really just be reading everything I write and become my disciple. I don't hold your ignorance against you. I really just want to save you, because, as a fellow human being, I kinda like you!

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  25. So would IPv6 actually fix this? by tjstork · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've read that IPv6, because it includes the MAC, could theoretically help this. But is that true? Could the MAC be spoofed? Or, could an ISP include coupling hardware that validates the MAC and the packet sent are the same? Theoretically, you could require that in network hardware manufacturing, so that a NIC Card would not be allowed to transmit a packet with an address that wasn't from it. But would that be enough?

    Even if you weren't ideologically predisposed to sending in the SEALs to whack people for sending out spyware, you could at least block the source traffic and then gradually clean up the already infested machines or rob them of command and control without firing a shot.

    I just get enraged by all of these attacks as, honestly, giving money to security people is a sort of a trampling of my job and freedom. The internet is reduced to, our "white warlords" versus their "black warlords", and I think this arrangement is total crap. I can't stand the world where we can't send EXE's as attachments and even images are suspect because I remember how cool the internet was when you could.

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    1. Re:So would IPv6 actually fix this? by ThinkingInBinary · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I've read that IPv6, because it includes the MAC...

      IPv6 only includes the MAC if it is configured using Stateless Autoconfiguration, and if Privacy Extensions are not turned on. If it is configured using some stateful method, like DHCPv6 or a static IPv6 address, the address could be anything. Likewise, if Privacy Extensions are turned on, then Stateless Autoconfiguration will rotate among random address that don't include the MAC, but are still unlikely to collide with other hosts' addresses.

      But what good does knowing someone's MAC address do you? You can identify if they switch IP's, maybe, but then what? Botnets rely on hundreds of thousands (or, in this case, millions) of machines with different addresses and ISP's, so knowing the MAC of one would not help much. If a MAC was all you had to go on, it might help, but by the time you tracked down the MAC of one host, they'd have switched through dozens of others, and there'd be no information for you on the host you tracked down.

  26. Real programmers don't need source code. by sowth · · Score: 2, Funny

    Oh come on! You aren't a real programmer. Everyone knows the binary is the source code. My uncle eddy doesn't even need those fancy disassemblers or debuggers. He edits memory by looking at LEDs and flipping dip switches. Now that is a real programmer.

  27. It means that Tor is compromised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful



    If they add a large number of trojaned Tor clients to the network, it will undermine the privacy of Tor communications and allow things like traffic analysis.

    This isn't necessarily a ploy to use Tor, this may be a ploy to compromise Tor.

    Any chance that storm might be the work of a government?

  28. Note to world: computer programs don't evolve by gatkinso · · Score: 2, Funny

    Human beings modify them, fix bugs, and upgrade them. Be it a computer virus, spreadsheet, or operating system.

    Sometimes they intentionally break them.

    But they don't spontaneously "evolve", "mutate", or any other such thing.

    Christ.

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  29. Is Windows to blame for this situation? by master_p · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Apart from user stupidity, is Windows to blame for this situation? if Windows had a better security model, would there be such problems?

    Can a massive lawsuit against Microsoft work?