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IBM Joins OpenOffice.org Community

Petrushka writes "In a press release today, with accompanying press FAQ, IBM announces a change in its relationship to the OpenOffice.org development community. The upshot is that they're making a long-term commitment to OOo; no organization has paid off any other organization for this; they're devoting about 35 of their developers in China to OOo; and they'll be contributing accessibility code from Lotus Notes to improve current support for assistive technologies. You may recall that an alleged shortage of assistive technologies that work with OOo has been one of the big criticisms leveled against the idea of governments standardizing on the OpenDocument format, which is a file format that OOo and several other office suites support."

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  1. Yay by somersault · · Score: 4

    One more step to not being locked into Microsoft (ie paying through the nose) for an application than can make writing look prettier, and is universally accepted \o/

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  2. Assistive technologies by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 5, Informative

    OpenOffice.org itself doesn't lack assistive technologies. OOo on Windows lacks assistive technologies. OOo with GNOME or KDE integration gets the accessibility technologies of GNOME or KDE, respectively.

    Still, it's a welcome sight to see IBM participating in OOo development. OOo just keeps improving with every new release, and I find that I use it more than Microsoft Office, although I have both installed at work and at home.

  3. Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    and they'll be contributing accessibility code from Lotus Notes
    That's about what, 2 lines of code? =p
  4. WTF? by spectrokid · · Score: 5, Informative

    IBM has its own office package: http://www-306.ibm.com/software/lotus/products/sma rtsuite/
    Is this another case of the one division not knowing what the other does, or is IBM giong to drop smartsuite?

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  5. Good lord.. by Otter · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Any time you need interface contributions from Lotus Freaking Notes, something is badly wrong.

    I'm curious about the accessibility support for that helpful feature it has, where entering the password characters puts up random numbers of bullets while hieroglyphics blink randomly around the input box, apparently to distract and confuse shoulder surfers. Do they have a similar function for blind users? And how about sighted users and blind shoulder surfers? Shouldn't it make random annoying noises as well, to confuse them?

    1. Re:Good lord.. by Otter · · Score: 4, Informative

      For those fortunate enough not to know what I'm talking about: see the last entry on this page.

    2. Re:Good lord.. by hachete · · Score: 4, Informative

      I've used and programmed Lotus Notes on and off for the past 10 years. It's not that bad for what it does. For a networked environment the database replication was way ahead of it's time, and it still has no real competitor in that field. OK, so the field has moved on; and the interface is shit. Still, admin wise it's pretty good, and IBM has done a lot of good work with Notes.

      We've rolled out a wiki in the same breath as running a huge Notes infrastructure. What I don't understand is that, as crap as the Notes interface is, it's still way ahead of any browser for editing documents. Anyway, so the Notes database is the back-end, and the web-browser is the new client. Call it a wiki, and people love it. Call it Notes database and they'll run a mile. I suppose it must say something about the whole thing.

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    3. Re:Good lord.. by file+terminator · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'm not defending Lotus Notes in general, but in this particular case you're wrong. I had to work extensively with Lotus Notes many years ago, and the reason for the hieroglyphs was NOT to confuse shoulder surfers, as you seem to believe.

      It used to take quite a while to authenticate when using a modem (you know, the 56kbps stuff and earlier). The hieroglyphs were there as a visual clue that you had entered your password correctly, BEFORE you even attempted to authenticate. The same password always produced the same hieroglyphs. If you recognized the set of hieroglyphs, it was likely that you punched in your password correctly, and that you'd authenticate successfully.

      To forestall the inevitable "So shoulder surfers could deduct your password from looking at the hieroglyphs? BRILLIANT!" response, it should also be mentioned that lots of password strings produced the same set of hieroglyphs. An attacker would still need to perform a dictionary attack, even if he knew "your" set. (I have no idea if there were extra safeguards in place that reacted quicker if someone tried to brute-force a password with various strings that produced the same hieroglyphs as the correct one, but it would seem prudent.)

      All in all, while not Lotus Notes' best "feature," and perhaps of dubious usefulness (especially today, when bandwidth is measured in Mbps, not kbps), it certainly wasn't its worst. It still tends to amuse me when, in spite of the many quirks Lotus Notes had/has that you constantly ran into, people pick the password dialog to complain about. (Especially when they get it wrong. The purpose of the hieroglyphs may even have been explained in the Lotus Notes Help, although it is too long ago that I can say with certainty.)

  6. Re:faster!!! by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 3, Informative

    It is terribly slow. Looks like a huge piece of bloat. It will be great if it can be faster. When was the last time you used OOo? Since 2.0, it's not that slow. It's slow in initial loading, but that's because OOo loads the whole suite when starting any of its components, so comparing load time of OOo Writer vs. Word, for example, is not an apples-to-oranges comparison.

    Once OOo is loaded, though, it responds very quickly on any fairly decent hardware -- at least like a 1.5 Ghz processor and have a gig of RAM depending on OS.
  7. Good news, and yet... by downix · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This reminds me of an issue we have at work. At work, we run OpenOffice now, it gave us flexibility and yet fully functional... except for one guy, the Editor. He installed it, and the next day went to me "Frankly, it sucks. I won't use it." So, we have this one Office 07 guy out there, and he keeps getting angry when he can't read any documents we send him, or we can't read his documents, yet it's our fault because we won't pay for Office '07 when everyone else is happy with Open Office.

    I know this guy, he just went home, installed it, looked, went "this doesn't look like Office 07" and left it at that. Until we can woo this kind of person, however, I fear that OO, and any open standard wp for that matter, will never truely break into mainstream, because he is the Editor, in charge of a whole department.

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    1. Re:Good news, and yet... by stoolpigeon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You bring up a good point Open Office will not cure stupidity. This is important to remember.

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    2. Re:Good news, and yet... by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      We "wooed" employees by saying, "this is our new company policy. all computers will be changed over to this new standard effective XXXX" 95% had no problem, the 5% that did whined big time. but we had finance on our side so in the big shirts meetings when the whiners whines got to them they got shot down by the director of finance saying, "It will cost us $180,000 to switch back to MS office, replacing that employee with someone that is professional enough to understand business means change is not only cheaper but probably a good idea anyways."

      It shut all the whiners up fast when they found that replacing them is far cheaper than catering to their whining.

      You unfortunately have a high level whiner. so you need to have even higher than him do the smackdown.

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    3. Re:Good news, and yet... by Corporate+Troll · · Score: 3, Insightful

      He installed it, and the next day went to me "Frankly, it sucks. I won't use it."

      What about: "It's Corporate Policy. Don't like it, feel free to search another job".

      That's what they told me when I didn't want to use Microsoft Office 2003 at work...

  8. Notes is EVIL and must be killed by Shadow_139 · · Score: 3, Funny

    It was all good until I read : "....they'll be contributing accessibility code from Lotus Notes to improve current support for assistive technologies..." Lotus Notes is EVIL and must be killed, -- I forgive you Outlook & Exchange....,

    1. Re:Notes is EVIL and must be killed by tomstdenis · · Score: 3, Funny

      Having used lotus notes while on assignment at IBM I can attest to it's evilness and lack of "straightforwardness." It's a bitch to setup without an IT support dude sitting at your ... wait a tick ... IBM makes money out of service contracts? No way...

      Tom

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  9. Re:faster!!! by Corporate+Troll · · Score: 5, Informative

    You're misinformed... OpenOffice.org has a few Java components (notabily in Base, I think) but it is not a Java application. You don't even need a JRE to run it.

  10. I'd love to see the results of a little experiment by jimicus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What if....

    ...you took OO.o as it stands now, rebranded it "Microsoft Office 2009 Preview" (just the splash screen, title bar and help text should be adequate) and showed it to someone who'd made such a complaint. Tell them that "Microsoft found people were confused by the change of interface in 2007 so they changed it back again to something which looks more like Office 2000" or other such bull.

    I bet most of the complainers would announce themselves to be perfectly happy with this, and far prefer it to OpenOffice.

  11. Lotus Notes 8 supports ODF by swillden · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's also worth pointing out here that the upcoming version of IBM's Lotus Notes product includes internal support for ODF documents (.odt, .ods and .odp). Based on what I see in the beta, it looks to me like the ODF support is provided by an embedded and tweaked version of OOo, but I think it's still worth adding Lotus Notes to the list of apps that support ODF.

    Notes 8 is built on the Eclipse RCP, BTW, and runs nicely on Linux (which is my platform of choice) as well as Windows and OS X. I imagine it can run just about anywhere Java does. To be honest, I don't think the new version is hugely better than previous versions, and I've never been a big fan of Notes, but for Linux users whose companies use Notes it's really nice to have a native client rather than mucking about with Notes under WINE, or running a Windows OS on another box or in a VM. As an OOo user, it's also very nice to know that I'll soon be able to send ODF documents to my colleagues secure in the knowledge that they can read them.

    Disclaimer: I work for IBM, but I'm not a spokesman for IBM. IBM is happy about that state of affairs, and so am I.

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  12. I wonder .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    if they are trying to kill OO with low quality code? I hope not, but China? Crap, I have seen the code that comes from there, and it makes their toys look positively great.

  13. MS Word is worse. by DrYak · · Score: 3, Informative

    I would bet that this is why it is always accused of being slower thet MS Word


    MS Office actually load its whole suit in memory, *at boot time*.

    But there's a taskbar widget for OpenOffice.org that can do the same stuff if you want to get the same startup speed and you don't mind wasting a lot of RAM.
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    1. Re:MS Word is worse. by Macthorpe · · Score: 3, Interesting

      MS Office actually load its whole suit in memory, *at boot time*. How did this get modded informative? That doesn't happen at all, and you can take that from someone who just installed Office 2003. There's no trace of a service or process related to Office, and physical memory usage is the same as it was before.
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