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RIAA Trying To Avoid a Jury Trial

Joe Elliot writes "Faced with a jury trial set to begin on October 1, the RIAA has filed a motion for summary adjudication of specific facts: that the RIAA owns the copyrights to the songs in a file-sharing case; that the registration is proper; and that the defendant wasn't authorized to copy or distribute the recordings. If the judge rules in their favor, Ars notes that it may turn into a Novell v SCO situation where the only thing left to be decided are the damages. There are some significant problems with the copyright registrations — they don't match up. 'Thomas argues that since she lacks the financial means to conduct a thorough examination of the ownership history (e.g., track the ownership of "Hysteria" from Mercury to UMG) for the songs she is accused of infringing the copyright to, her only opportunity to determine their true ownership is either via discovery or cross-examination at trial.' Ars also notes that the RIAA's biggest fear is of losing a case. 'A loss at trial would be catastrophic for the RIAA. It would give other defense attorneys a winning template while exposing the weaknesses of the RIAA's arguments. It would also prove costly from a financial standpoint, as the RIAA would have to foot the legal expenses for both itself and the defendant. Most of all, it would set an unwelcomed precedent: over 20,000 lawsuits filed and the RIAA loses the first one to go to a jury.'"

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  1. Good story by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 4, Informative

    Good story by Ars Technica.

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    1. Re:Good story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
      And the award for understatement of the year goes to...

      It would give other defense attorneys a winning template while exposing the weaknesses of the RIAA's arguments. It would also prove costly from a financial standpoint, as the RIAA would have to foot the legal expenses for both itself and the defendant.


      Hmm, destruction of your whole business model, financially costly? Really?
    2. Re:Good story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Hmm, destruction of your whole business model, financially costly? Really?

      Not if your business model is fatally flawed and/or obsolete.

      The fact is that the labels' current business model is untenable. Fifty years ago it took LOTS of money to make a record. Today it only takes a couple thousand; just about every local band (link is to friends of mine) in Springfield has at least one CD recorded in a studio and professionally duplicated.

      They don't HAVE to sell a million to make a profit - the things only cost a buck or two apiece, anything above that is profit, so long as they're sold at the bands' shows.

      The RIAA labels' only current hold on music is that they still control radio and empty-v. THAT is why they killed internet radio and are trying to kill P2P - they can't control it and keep the indies off. These two outlets are the indies' meal tickets and the labels' worst nightmare.

      If you're trying to find, say, a live version of The Station's song The Fog on Kazaa (say someone told you about them), you're likely to find a Radiohead song by the same name, and get yourself sued. But the labels' fear is that you'll be looking for Radiohead's tune and find The Station by mistake. You buy their two CDs (or downloads from iTunes) and you no longer have the money you spent on those two CDs and now can afford one less RIAA CD, since they cost twice as much as most indie CDs sold as shows.

      This isn't about "piracy", it's about destroying the competetion.

      -mcgrew

    3. Re:Good story by Andrewkov · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah, I can imagine how this would go:

      Judge: Now we will hear comments from the jurors..
      Juror #7: (jumps to feet) FIRST POST!!!!
      Juror #2: Powned!
      Juror #5: Common guys, -1, off topic.
      Juror #12: In Soviet Russia, first post owns you!
      Juror #2 snickers ...

    4. Re:Good story by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ray Beckerman has the first post on a legal topic and it gets modded down as redundant? It may not be insightful enough to warrant being modded up... but modding an early post by an expert on the subject as redundant is just stupid. Good thing for metamodding. To make this comment not a gripe in whole, it does seem quite possible that the RIAA could avoid the trial by jury silver bullet in this case, if the defendant was in fact file sharing and they have "good" proof. Not all the defendants are dead, children, or too old to own/know how to use a computer. Still, the writing is on the wall. They won't get away with extortion forever. Thanks, Cowclops. I guess I brought it on myself, though. I was shocked that I happened to go to Slashdot, find a post linking to a story I'd just read last night, and find that the story just went "online". giving me probably the first chance I've had to be the first commenter. Unfortunately, I couldn't think of anything pithy to say, or any important links to throw in, since Eric's Ars Technica story had already linked to my story linking the court documents.... so I jumped in and said the only thing I could think of to say at that time in the morning (I hadn't had breakfast yet)....which was that it was a good story. So I deserved what I got. Meanwhile, as for the RIAA.... they will NEVER go to a jury trial in any of these cases. The only reason there is a jury trial in civil cases is that there are CONTESTED issues of fact. There is no contested issue of fact that the RIAA will ever win. I would love to see this case get tried and see them get their butts handed to them, but they are cowards and will never go that route. If they can't get "summary adjudication" -- which I predict they can't because I think the judge is much too smart for that -- they will move to voluntarily dismiss their own case, as they did in Capitol v. Foster, Interscope v. Leadbetter, Priority Records v. Candy Chan, Elektra v. Santangelo, and others.
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  2. Just for the record, I am too... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Just so everyone knows... I, too, am trying to avoid a jury trial. Heck, I'm trying to avoid ANY trial. Heck, I'm on the run from the police. Heck, I haven't done anything and I'm on the run. That is just how fscked up the justice system is.... I'm scared and I haven't done anything wrong.

    1. Re:Just for the record, I am too... by gravos · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It is wrong, that's true.

      But the RIAA is not interested in teaching people the difference between wrong and right, they are interested in using the legal system to extract far more money than they deserve from them.

      And that too is wrong. No one has the moral high ground here, but I think the RIAA is standing on lower ground, personally.

    2. Re:Just for the record, I am too... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      downloading music that you don't have permission to is wrong. No, it's just illegal. http://questioncopyright.org/
    3. Re:Just for the record, I am too... by R2.0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "But it sounds like in this case she did have the files in question, just trying to find a loophole out of it."

      It matters a great deal from a legal standpoint. If Universal doesn't actually own the copyrights to the material, then they have no standing to sue, regardless of what the defendant is alledged to have done. And given the history of the music business regarding copyright and royalty abuse with artists, it is a legitimate question to raise - if it is discovered that Universal never really took ownership of the copyright, then
      a) the suit gets dismissed
      b) someone elses lawyers start knocking on Universal's door, looking for "misdirected" royalties (maybe they won't be able to find their address, just like Stevie Nicks)
      Of course, the suit could be re-filed by the actual copyright holder.

      From a tactical standpoint, getting Universal's people up on a stand to walk a jury through a byzantine recording contract to explain just how it is that they own the copyright and are owed a kajillion dollars in damages when the original artist gets a pittance is almost certain to dispose a jury toward the defendant.

      If we can bleat about "due process" and "competent defense" for murderer's, rapists, thugs, petty theives, and Gitmo detainess, surely this person deserves that same support?

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  3. Wishful thinking by Alioth · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hm. Another article deserving of the tag 'wishfulthinking'.

    According to TFA, the defendent *still* doesn't have the copyrights to the songs, even if the registrations are wrong - in that case, the registered copyright is still to record companies. Who are probably RIAA members. If this case fails, the defendent can just be sued again by the registered rights holders. I don't see then name "Jammie Thomas" as the rights holder under either columns in TFA.

    1. Re:Wishful thinking by Spad · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Thomas is fighting the motion, saying that the plaintiffs need to prove two things: that they are the true copyright owners and that there was an act of infringement.

      She's not fighting the case soley on the basis of ownership. However, if she wins then it sets a huge precedent, which would further prevent the RIAA from using their shotgun approach to lawsuits. If they have to trace & prove ownership of every song that they're claiming for, it's going to add a lot of overhead to their cases and could well dredge up some unwelcome cases where they discover that they *don't* own the copyrights to songs that they've been making money off for years.

    2. Re:Wishful thinking by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Actually, two of the records are listed as having an original copyright holder as being CBS Records. CBS Records is not an RIAA member, according to their website. Also, many of the companies listed on that link aren't RIAA members, either, they just report to the RIAA. I think among those is Geffen, which is also listed in TFA, but I'm not sure.

  4. Summary Judgment by gravesb · · Score: 4, Informative

    Summary Judgment just means there are no facts in dispute for the particular areas disputed. If that's true, then its in everyone's best interest to grant summary judgment. However, if there is a question about the registration, then the judge can grant summary motions for the other areas, and try that part before a jury. However, the defendant needs some proof to fight it. I hope that she has some. It shouldn't be that hard to trace the registration.

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  5. Surely they've planned for this eventuality? by EvilGrin666 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    With so many lawsuits filed, surely the the RIAA knew it was going to hit someone who'd fight back? Wont they of considered this possibility and have a defence ready?

  6. Backups? by sanosuke001 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm not sure as IANAL, but if you owned a physical copy of a CD/Record/8-Track/phonograph of a song, you are legally able to make a copy of it, correct? So, would sending someone else a copy of a song you ripped from your recording be legal if they also owned a copy? ie. I own a CD, a friend owns the same CD. He doesn't have a CD-ROM on his computer so I rip it for him and send it to him so he has it on his MP3 player.

    I see this more as a "can I legally 'help' people backup their music" and "is it my fault that others can't follow the law."

    From how I see it, it isn't their fault someone else downloaded the song; they didn't force anyone to do anything illegal. If they own the recording, shouldn't they be able to let others download it to have a personal, digital, copy? If not, why?

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  7. the thing with jury trials is... by m2bord · · Score: 5, Insightful

    no one can predict how a jury will vote. it's a 50/50 shot.

    some jurors may empathize with the defendant while at the same time, another handful of jurors sympathize with the plaintiff.

    the truth is that you just don't know. i think that some of these cases should go before a jury and let's see what happens.
    the riaa's arguments may be solid but the question of what constitutes copyright infringement and what constitutes fair-use needs to be codified.

    my question has always been, "why was it okay for my to make copies of my vinyl albums, put them on cassette, and give it to a friend but it's not okay for me to make a copy of a cd and give that cd copy to the same friend?"

    the end result is the same. my friend gets the music that i paid for.

    could it be that only now the record labels are panicking because people are not gathering in herds to buy the latest stuff put out by seemingly talent-less hacks like kelly osbourne or britney spears?

    so many computers are used in producing pop music now that it would indeed make the world's largest beowulf cluster.

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  8. How about this? by Stormcrow309 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Maybe my thinking is a little wacky. However, how about someone scan through the files that RIAA say that they "own" and look for any infected by viruses. Wouldn't RIAA be responsible for that? I think establishing ownership for data could be very expensive in secondary consequences.

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  9. Defense Fund? by rlp · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Is there a defense fund we can donate to?

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  10. But it is important by tkrotchko · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "There may be some irregularity in the copyright ownership. But noone seriously contends that the defendant owns the copyright."

    Absolutely right, but it is important. Otherwise, you or I could sue this person for copyright violation. But that doesn't make sense. I can't ask the police to arrest you for trespassing on my neighbor's property. And I can't enforce somebody else's copyright.

    And assuming the person were to lose the copyright infringement case, wouldn't they have to award damages to the copyright holder? What if it turns out the copyright holder had no interest in suing widows and orphans?

    I think this is not trivial.

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