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The Smiley Face Turns 25 :-)

klubar writes "Another milestone of online communications has been reached. The smiley turns 25, according to Carnegie Mellon University professor Scott E. Fahlman who says he was the first to use three keystrokes. 'Language experts say the smiley face and other emotional icons, known as emoticons, have given people a concise way in e-mail and other electronic messages of expressing sentiments that otherwise would be difficult to detect. Fahlman posted the emoticon in a message to an online electronic bulletin board at 11:44 a.m. on Sept. 19, 1982, during a discussion about the limits of online humor and how to denote comments meant to be taken lightly.'"

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  1. Editors... by SirJorgelOfBorgel · · Score: 4, Funny

    Anyone else see an obvious mistake here? :D

    1. Re:Editors... by WwWonka · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Anyone else see an obvious mistake here? :D"

      I have NO idea what you are talking about! ;-)
      now bite me! :-P
      oh, wait, I'm sorry, that was rude :-(
      forgive me? :-|
      yes? ALRIGHT! :-)

  2. 24? by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Interesting

    That means 1983 or so.

    I know we were using these on a message board in 1979-1980 at a community college in Michigan prior to then. I might even be able to dig some of it up as I printed off a lot of messages back then and may still have them in an old computer paper box.

    Rather odd anyone would lay a claim to inventing it. I'm certain the concept dates further back to teletypes and such.

    Ah well, anything to start a ruckus on /.

    (c:

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    1. Re:24? by blhack · · Score: 5, Funny

      As odd as, say, someone keeping printouts of 25+ year old conversations from community college message boards? ;) Welcome to slashdot, you must be new here. Here is your 100 sided dice, your PHD in engineering that you acquired from google University. You're unbelievable hott girlfriend that is part of the demo-scene and collects old VAX/VMS hardware for fun should come in the mail soon...OR WILL SHE COME VIA TCP_OVER CARRIER PIGEON!!!??!!

      nobody knows YOU INSENSATIVE CLOD!
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    2. Re:24? by Jarjarthejedi · · Score: 5, Funny

      Today's Headline - New Hieroglyph Discovered in Egyptian Pyramid

      And in recent new today a new Hieroglyph has been discovered with the Great Pyramid of Giza. The symbol appears to consist of two vertically adjacent circles and a single curve segment whose curvature is oriented such that the 2 circles appear to be near the center of the circle that would be formed were the curve's slope extended out. Our man on the scene has provided us with a crude sketch of this Hieroglyph, whose meaning is unknown but which is suspected to be related to one of the primary emotions humans have experienced since the dawn of time.

      : ) Note how the segment appears to be a piece of a general circle center on the 2 dots. Why a segment of a circle was chosen,
      ^ Rather than the full circle itself, and why it is centered on the dots, is currently unknown
      Also Note how the two circles are placed one directly over the other. Most other Hieroglyphs have utilized slight angles, generally sloping inwards, so this discovery may help understand a great many things that are currently unknown about Egyptian society

      This has been Faux News' Archeology Department. Stay tuned for the weather.

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  3. Graphical smilies suck by CrazyJim1 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I hate how you type :) in IM or message boards now and they replace the :) with a graphic. I think that ruins it.

    I won't even get into how annoying it is when it changes part of your text that isn't a smiley into a smiley only because it detects the text. It is like how some MMORPGS do ***umption and stuff.

    1. Re:Graphical smilies suck by gardyloo · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah, doesn't that make you want to ******inate someone?

    2. Re:Graphical smilies suck by UbuntuDupe · · Score: 4, Funny

      As a matter of fact, Plato only used Greek characters.

      (And people don't typically capitalize all the letters in his name. Just a heads-up.)

  4. obligatory by blhack · · Score: 4, Funny

    Smilies are lame :(...

    now bow before you evil smiley overlord >:-|
    (.)(.)
    ^emoticons, making perl regex NSFW for 24 years!

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  5. 25 years ago... by The+Living+Fractal · · Score: 5, Funny

    And it wasn't short after that fateful day, in the next post in fact, that the 8========D came along, forever ruining the intarweb. Historians would later say it was only a matter of time.

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  6. The only thing I see wrong... by RobertM1968 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Is the guy is full of shit in making such a claim. ASCII Art, including the use of emoticons, have been around a lot longer than his first use of it. To claim he was the first and/or created the idea is insane.

    I'm sorry, but I grew up in the 300 baud modem, emoticon existing and using days that predate his claim by over half a decade.

    1. Re:The only thing I see wrong... by brarrr · · Score: 5, Funny

      you grew up in a 300 baud modem? must have been both uncomfortable and incredibly noisy. it'd be like constantly trying to see through the hayes.

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    2. Re:The only thing I see wrong... by Jay+L · · Score: 5, Funny

      Nice ATtitude. Triple-plus.

    3. Re:The only thing I see wrong... by keeboo · · Score: 5, Funny

      AArrgh... Too many old-fart nerd jokes here! I'm gonna&#*(% NO CARRIER

  7. Futurama? by camperdave · · Score: 4, Funny

    Hmm... 0-| = I'm Leela and I'm not impressed?

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  8. Um, look at the article. by Higaran · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The article is about how the smiley face is used for humorus purposed, so how many geeks missed that the title was actually a joke, looks like just about everyone so far. Wow I don't know if I should be happy that I got it, or terrified that I did. Well anyways. (.) (.) V

    1. Re:Um, look at the article. by fractoid · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's not breasts, that's a bicycle.

      (.Y.)  <-- tits

      (_._) <-- ass ;)

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  9. A weird, possibly local, BBS lingo by qdaku · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I remember early - mid nineties when I used to draw ascii (newschool, though I dabbled a bit in the oldschool too) for various groups / BBS in the 905/416/519 region (southern ontario and parts of quebec), that there used to be a different system instead of smileys. Smileys were frowned upon. Instead the system revolved around:

    (g) - grin

    (bg) - big grin

    (vbg) - very big grin

    I wonder if it was just a local thing, or if anyone else used to use that too.

  10. Re:The Cheer by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 4, Funny

    \(^o^)/


    KUPO!!!
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  11. Prior Art? by darqchild · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I believe there is prior art, found in an 18th century poem. I'd bet that typesetters had been mucking about with this stuff since the invention of movable type.

    http://maul.deepsky.com/~merovech/smiley.html

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  12. The emoticon is dead... long live XML! by schmiddy · · Score: 5, Funny

    Thankfully, we no longer need to use this outdated technology of "emoticons" to denote humorous sentiments in email and online postings. Some have historically proposed the use of a "sarcasm" tag littered among ordinary text to convey the sarcastic emotion more accurately. I propose going one step further, and am proposing the Humour-XML standard, which will provide a much richer way to fully denote sentiments on the web. For instance, consider the sarcastic exprssion:

    I'll get right on that ;-)

    Even in this simple expression, the smiley face does not convey enough information to the reader to properly discern the mood of the poster. It is left ambiguous whether the poster is completely sarcastic, and will not "get right on that", or if the poster was merely in a humorous mood and implying that they will "get right on that" in a cheerful way. This failure to communicate is costing the American economy untold billions in lost productivity, rivaling that of "sick days" and movie piracy. The following is a rough draft of an XML standard I am proposing to completely eliminate our dependence on this obsolete form of communication.

    I propose a full XML schema devoted to conveying emotion in email, web postings, and Usenet "flame" messages. For instance, the previous message would be written in Humour-XML as:

    <?xml version="1.0"?>
    <posting>
    <message mood="sarcastic" level="highly"> I'll get right on that <smiley deprecated="yes" symbol=";-)" />
    </message>
    </posting>

    The message now contains no ambiguities — the reader understands that the poster is "highly sarcastic" , and does not actually intend to "get right on that"

    The Humour-XML schema provides numerous benefits to users such as: enhanced text-to-speech renderings of postings (the speaker's voice could convey emotion, etc.), backwards compatibility with obsolete emoticons, UTF-8 support, building the Semantic Web from the ground up, and other benefits too numerous to enumerate here. Without extolling the virtues of this fantastic language too greatly, I'll touch on one more gold mine of usability: using XSLT to transfrom Humour-XML to other forms, such as emoticon-text or even SVG graphics. For instance, we can define an XSLT stylesheet like so:

    <?xml version="1.0" ?>
    <xsl:stylesheet xmlns:xsl="http://www.w3.org/1999/XSL/Transform" version="1.0">
    <xsl:output method="xml" indent="yes"/>


    <xsl:template match="posting">
    <emoticon_text> <xsl:apply-templates/> </emoticon_text>
    </xsl:template>

    <xsl:template match="message">
    <xsl:copy> <xsl:apply-templates> </xsl:copy>
    </xsl:template>
    <xsl:template match="message">
    <xsl:text> <xsl:value-of select="symbol" /> </xsl:text>
    </xsl:template>
    </xsl:stylesheet>

    The example XSLT spreadsheet provided here should provide posters eager to try this amazing technology a head-start. I am in the process of carefully constructing a DTD for Humour-XML, as well as several more very useful XSLT stylesheets. I hereby disclaim all patents on said technology, and promise that Humour-XML is free for the world to use royalty-free, forever.

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    1. Re:The emoticon is dead... long live XML! by SL+Baur · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah, and I've seen a draft of the 15,000 page MOHumor-XML (Microsoft Open Humor-XML) standard which includes indispensible tags like and .

      Looks like we're going to have another standards battle on our hands :(.

  13. Re:Zonked by Saint+Stephen · · Score: 4, Funny

    I've always written it as :-). I've been on the net since 93. Back since in the days when you NEVER wanted to meet anyone who actually used the internet in real life.

  14. Re:You mean Smiley vs. Smiley Face? by wakingrufus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    that article talks about the graphical smiley face. In fact, we are talking about using the colon, dash, and close paren to make a smiley, in which case it is even OLDER!
    It's authorship was credited to the late Harvey Ball (who drew it in the 1960s). "Smiley" is in an ad in the NEW YORK HERALD TRIBUNE, 10 March 1953, pg. 20, cols. 4-6. See for yourself. The ad is for the film LILI, with the "delightful" Leslie Caron. The "World Premiere Today" is at the Trans-Lux 52nd on Lexington. The film opened nationwide, and this ad ran in many newspapers.

    Today
    You'll laugh :)
    You'll cry :(
    You'll love
    _Lili_

  15. I looked up where the Japanese smiley came from by KNicolson · · Score: 4, Interesting

    And wrote a short article in my blog:

    http://whatjapanthinks.com/2007/09/19/turns-25-but-how-old-are-japanese-emoticons/

    So as not to link whore (but karma whore instead...), here goes:

    You may have heard the news that 25 years ago on the 19th of October 1982, there was the first recorded use of western smileys on usenet. However, that got me wondering as to how old horizontal Japanese emoticons were. With a little investigation, I came across this Japanese page on the evolution of smiley marks in Japan. I'll now present a summary translation of this history of the Japanese emoticon.

    First up is a nuclear scientist claiming to have invented (~_~) and others round about the same time as ASCII Net (a Japanese online service) started on the first of May 1985, although he says he wasn't the first, he was just following the patterns of others.

    Next up was someone claiming that when he attended Hokkaido University the first Japanese emoticon he saw was from Master Koala with (^O^) in fj.jokes, inspiring him to invent the following:

    (^.^) - laughing
    (;.;) - crying
    (-.-) - sleeping, shocked
    (_ _) - apologising, lowering one's head
    ; - sweat mark, eg (^.^;)
    * - red-faced, eg *^.^*

    These were coined between May and July of 1988 and used on JUNET, the Japanese University Network.

    Now, we get to a usenet post from January 13 1998, indirectly archived by Google Groups (but with broken encoding). In the message we can see the following marks:

    (^O^) - Master Koala smiling
    (-O-) - Master Koala sleeping
    (*O*) - Master Koala shocked
    (@O@) - Master Koala looking sideways
    (=O=) - Master Koala squinting through narrowed eyes
    (>O<) - Master Koala surprised
    (dOb) - Master Koala neutral

    Now we get a very interesting post, suggesting that the classic (^_^) was invented in Japan, but perhaps not by a Japanese. A Kim Tong Ho claims that in the first half of 1986 he signed posts to ASCII Net with the above-mentioned emoticon, with one example from 20th of June 1986. However, he doesn't have confidence to claim to be the very first person to come up with a Japanese emoticon that doesn't require head-tilting to read. Around the same time a person with the handle 'binbou' (the nuclear scientist mentioned above) used (~_~), but as to who was first, it is rather difficult to say.

    So, there we have it; the Japanese emoticon is at least 21 years and a few months old, perhaps even 22 and a bit years old.

  16. Re:You mean Smiley vs. Smiley Face? by SolitaryMan · · Score: 4, Funny

    You'll love

    You'll love (. )( .)

    Here. Fixed that for you too ;)

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