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Crazy Stevie's iPhone Prices are Insaaane!

theodp writes "Slate takes a look at the alarming lesson of the iPhone price cut and ponders the long-term effects of a Fire-Sale Nation mentality, especially when companies go all Crazy Eddie slashing prices on products like homes and cars that have active secondary markets. 'High-profile price-chopping tends to occur whenever companies freak out about the vicious combination of a slowing consumer economy and the prospect of getting stuck with big inventories of unsold goods. The tactic often works in the short term. The hype over insanely low prices functions as a form of free advertising, and the lower prices tend to attract buyers. Apple announced on Sept. 10 that it had sold its 1 millionth iPhone.'"

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  1. As long as the only connectivity is AT and T... by fyngyrz · · Score: 5, Informative

    It won't matter to me what his prices are. An incredibly short-sighted error, IMHO. I'm good for five of them (three kids and my SO.) But no connectivity, no buy.

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    1. Re:As long as the only connectivity is AT and T... by DurendalMac · · Score: 4, Insightful

      From a business standpoint, it makes sense. AT&T and T-Mobile are the only GSM carriers in the US. Apple wants GSM because it's an international standard and they don't want multiple versions of the iPhone for different countries. AT&T has a larger customer base and more coverage than T-Mobile, so Apple went with them to maximize sales. AT&T does suck (as someone who's currently locked into their glitchy network), but looking at the numbers, it was the logical choice. to make.

    2. Re:As long as the only connectivity is AT and T... by CastrTroy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Wouldn't selling it for use on any network generate more sales? If X is the number of users on AT&T and Y is the number of users on T-Mobile, then X + Y > X, unless of course, T-Mobile has less than 1 user. Would it be impossible for them to have a phone that works on all GSM networks. Oh, I forgot, they probably got really good kickbacks from AT&T for going exclusive.

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    3. Re:As long as the only connectivity is AT and T... by Mr2001 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      By focusing solely on GSM, they're locking themselves out of most of the US cell phone market - over 120 million customers.

      Most cell phone manufacturers do make different versions for different countries. LG is perhaps best known around here for their Verizon phones (CDMA), but they also make GSM devices. Motorola makes both GSM and CDMA versions of the RAZR and many other models, as do Sanyo, Samsung, RIM, and Palm.

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    4. Re:As long as the only connectivity is AT and T... by MoonBuggy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I was actually going to make much the same post as yours. I just Googled it and Apple are indeed getting a substantial monthly payment from AT&T for iPhone users, so again from the standpoint of a business it does make sense to go exclusive (although this doesn't seem to benefit the consumer in any way I can imagine). As for a phone that works on all GSM networks (assuming you didn't mean that rhetorically), it is very much possible (needs to be quad-band if you want to use it anywhere in the world, due to different frequencies, but that's by no means unheard of) and the only network feature I know of that is entirely proprietary to the iPhone is visual voicemail.

    5. Re:As long as the only connectivity is AT and T... by MoonBuggy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I would lean towards a fourth choice - leave the carriers out of it. You seem to be working on the assumption that Apple needs to have any kind of relationship with the networks, which I guess means that's the state of affairs in the US? As I said in my post above, the cash that AT&T are paying them makes a perfectly good business rationale for going exclusive, but from a consumer point of view I would've thought that just selling the phone as a standalone device in the Apple stores and allowing the customer to choose their provider (perhaps sans visual voicemail, I guess, but AFAIK all the other features are standard, meaning no software customisation or compatibility issues) would be perfectly acceptable as well as neatly avoiding the problems you outline.

    6. Re:As long as the only connectivity is AT and T... by dubbreak · · Score: 3, Informative

      By focusing solely on GSM, they're locking themselves out of most of the US cell phone market - over 120 million customers.

      Oh come on, you have to admit that is hyperbole. Yes, they may have somewhat limited themselves in the US market by being limited to a few carriers but I'm sure they did the research and the amount of lost sales because of that didn't out weigh the world market (the majority of the world uses GSM, the US is strangely skewed towards cdma).

      Most cell phone manufacturers do make different versions for different countries.. Motorola makes both GSM and CDMA versions of the RAZR and many other models, as do Sanyo, Samsung, RIM, and Palm.

      I was once told by someone in the industry never to buy a CDMA version of a phone that was originally designed as a GSM phone. The reasoning being that often the other version was an afterthought and not as thoroughly tested.

      Maybe at this point Apple is testing the market (worldwide) and will eventually approach the much smaller CDMA market if it seems financially viable. You can't really fault them for going for the bigger pot of fish first.
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    7. Re:As long as the only connectivity is AT and T... by blind+biker · · Score: 5, Informative

      Well, I used to work at Nokia (I guess you've heard of them) and specifically in phone testing. In short, your post is BS from beginning to end; Nokia would make sure their phone worked with every damn operator. Whether it will be then locked in in the USA it didn't matter, because we knew it wouldn't be locked in in Europe and half of the rest of the world. And we were painfully aware of the fact that in every single country of the world we were competing, almost toe to toe, with the likes of Motorola, Samsung and Ericsson (later SonyEricsson).

      Yeah, testing takes time, but it's cost in time and money is nowhere so high that we'd simply NOT test and go exclusive with one (or $SMALLNUM) operator.

      Whether AT&T was the logical choice or not, I don't know, but it certainly wasn't for the reasons you cite!

      I can't believe the mods went for it, though?!

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    8. Re:As long as the only connectivity is AT and T... by dwater · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I agree, and the more amazing thing, is that they are doing the same thing in other countries. I mean, I can understand doing something like that in the US with the crazy service provider situation there, but why do it in european countries too?

      Just sell the thing in Apple stores; put the visual voicemail thing on the internet as a service and allow people to pick their own plans.

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  2. Don't forget by 2.7182 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Crazy Eddie ended up in jail.

    1. Re:Don't forget by HeavensBlade23 · · Score: 4, Funny

      He's not in jail, he's been on the cover of every Iron Maiden album ever made.

  3. Gimme A Break!!! by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Does anybody really think that Apple won't make money on it at $399? For Grid's sake, it's assembled overseas for slave wages. It only has a few parts (if you count the main board and display as one part each). I don't think they will hurt. And if they do -- that is, if they are dumping it on the market for a loss -- then they are prosecutable under antitrust laws.

    Please, let's see some real news, rather than trying to make problems up.

    1. Re:Gimme A Break!!! by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Does anybody really think that Apple won't make money on it at $399? I completely agree.

      if they are dumping it on the market for a loss -- then they are prosecutable under antitrust laws. But now you are off in la-la land. There is nothing preventing a company from selling below cost. It's only when they are doing it to maintain monopoly of a market. And while its arguable that Apple's 90%+ hold of the mp3 player market is a monopoly, they don't have anything even close to a monopoly in the phone market.
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    2. Re:Gimme A Break!!! by UbuntuDupe · · Score: 3, Informative

      Now you're just being silly. No one wants to ban the PS3 on the grounds that it's being sold "too cheaply" to inflate sales. That's ridiculous. The reason that informed, serious activists want the PS3 banned is because it uses too much energy for the benefit it provides, just like incandescent lights.

      Don't try to trivialize the solid case for banning PS3s by associating it with the cranks who want to ban PS3s for being too cheap.

      (Unfortunately, I have to remind people this is sarcastic...)

  4. falling prices are normal by drmerope · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Its funny how much we've been conditioned to think that the price of things should go up not down. Think about it, all other things being equal, as we get smarter, more efficient with our production of goods prices should go down. Prices only go up because inflation is an even more powerful force than innovation in our economy.

    Second, the cost of everything has an fixed component and a quantity component. One reason an F22 fighter is so expensive is that relatively few are built. The same thing happened with the iPhone. At the beginning they weren't sure if they'd sell 1 or 1 million. They had to guess and price accordingly. Now that so many are sold, the fixed costs (like engineering) are paid-in.

    Meanwhile, they are competing with many other kinds of smart phones. Most of which were cheaper already. Doesn't anyone remember all the talk about how the iPhone was outrageously priced above competing smart phones?

    Yeah. So after their profit margin was clearly fat, they cut prices to be competitive and more than just fan-boy enthusiasm. We should be worried? This article is drawing ridiculous connections between the iPhone and the panic over the sub-prime mortgage market.

  5. still overpriced by m2943 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't care how nice a screen it has, at $400 with a 2 year contract, a locked phone with no extensibility and EDGE-only speeds is still far from cheap. The best one can say is that it has gone from an insanely overpriced phone to merely an expensive fashion phone.

    iPhone doesn't start hitting "Crazy Eddie" pricing until it's below $100.

    1. Re:still overpriced by Glytch · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Agreed. The iPhone should be giveaway phone considering the restrictions, lock-ins and mandatory contracts that AT&T and Apple saddled it with.

  6. prices drop over time? by ArchieBunker · · Score: 4, Funny

    Sounds almost like a Mr. Obvious sketch. What do you mean technology prices drop over time?

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  7. Re:Apple "rebate". by aembleton · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well they decided that it was worth $599 to them when they handed over that money. They should be grateful to get any rebate, let alone $100.

  8. nature of phones by fermion · · Score: 4, Insightful
    When the iPhone first come out, one of the biggest complaints was that it was impossible to sell a phone in the market where most phones were free or near to free. Of course cell phones are not free, most people pay for them over time, usually paying $1.5k over a two year period. If one buys a phone with an upfont cost, this might add 20-30% to the price.

    Many pundits also complained that the iPhone could not compete with the smart phones. Of course, the iPhone is not competing with the smart phone, but merely assuming that some people might be willing to pay more for a phone upfront if it provided a value. Such a market was made clear by the Razr.

    Now pundits are saying that Apple is desperate and crazy because it lowers prices. It is true that Apple never has a sale, but this is a phone. Phones start expensive and then get cheap. It always happens. I don't have an iPhone. Being an early adopter was not worth the price. I was waiting for this price drop, and a relaxation to contract rules typical to ATT. The price drop is not like the price drop of a Mac or an iPod. With those devices, one is not contracted with a total costs that is at least $2K.

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  9. Autos by UserChrisCanter4 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The car example cited in this article (Toyota with $850 of incentives per car vs. US car manufacturers with $3K average) is a perfect example of why US automakers are so very, very screwed.

    No matter how much Consumer Reports et al. say the reliability has improved, and no matter how much the US makers craft intriguing and unique new offerings, their cars' value will continue to tank.

    Sure, all cars lose value the minute they're driven off the lot, and it's a substantial number. But go take a look at what happens to a Civic or Camry versus what happens to a Fusion/Taurus or Malibu. Go ahead, check it out. It's awful.

    I bought a new Scion tC last year. I was all primed to buy a used carwith ~35K miles; it makes sense to let someone else take the financial hit. Then I looked at the prices on used Scions, used Civics, etc. $17K cars were selling for $14K after three years. It made absolutely no sense to go buy a three year old car with a nearly-expired warranty and a possibly shady maintenance record when $3K got me a brand new one. On top of that, I was paying cash; the price difference is narrowed even more if you're financing, because the used car will almost certainly have a higher APR.

    Now contrast this with a Ford Focus or Chevy Cobalt or similar. Go look at the similar models, and marvel at how much more has bled off of the value; it's because the $17K Ford, depending on when you catch it, might be only $15K, and might have a 7% or a 0% APR. It's great in the short term, and if I was interested in a Focus I'd be all over it.

    Ultimately, if I was buying this car to drive it into the ground and toss it at 300K miles, it would be smarter to buy the Ford (assuming the reliability was the same, which isn't really the case with the Focus). Most people, myself included, don't do that. They get rid of the car in the 80K to 120K range, when it's starting to show some age but before it might potentially require major repairs. And many people look at how the US automakers have played their "SUPER LOW 72 MONTHS 0%! $3,000 CASH BACK" games and they walk across the street to the guys who might charge a bit more, but won't slash their prices next week. All things being equal, a Camry with the same MSRP as a Malibu or Fusion will resell for more at every step in its life, and it's because Toyota has shown that they're going to hand out approximately the same deal to everyone.

    I want to buy American, or at least be able to widen my prospects when looking at cars. I really do. If I were willing to drive cars into the dirt, I could probably do it, but I'm not comfortable with the risks near the end of the car's life. A $2,000 engine repair does make better financial sense than buying a new car, but not when your car won't start, and you have to get a rental for a week, and you're wondering if it will be okay for another year or will require a new transmission in four months. So, like most people, I sell mine before I think those problems will show. As long as the US automakers are willing to go "Crazy Eddie" and reap the short-term profits, though, they'll continue to lose out on long-term buyers like me. I sincerely hope other industries are willing to look at Ford, GM, and Chrysler's experience when they think that it's a good idea to slash their prices.

  10. Deflation by michaelmalak · · Score: 4, Informative
    Is it too much to ask to name the phenomenon rather than describe it?

    And margin-shredding behavior tends to spawn more margin-shredding behavior
    That's called deflation. Deflation is 100x worse the inflation because during deflation the economy stops: nobody's working, nobody's buying, nobody's selling, and everybody's hoarding what little they can -- i.e., a Great Depression.
  11. Re:uh ohhhhh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful
    let's make the best phone we possibly can

    Congratulations for so whole-heartedly buying into Apple's marketing, but he was going for the biggest possible profit, not a desire to make the perfect cell phone. There's easy to imagine improvements, that would have added cost but made the iPhone better - GSM or an unlocked OS are obvious ones. The super-expensive Nokias have a lot of options that the iPhone doesn't.