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EU Think Tank Urges Full Windows Unbundling

leffeman writes "An influential Brussels think tank is urging the European Commission to ban the bundling of operating systems with desktop and laptop computers. The Globalisation Institute's submission to the Commission says that bundling 'is not in the public interest' and that the dominance of Windows has 'slowed technical improvements and prevented new alternatives entering from the marketplace.' It says the Microsoft tax is a burden on EU businesses: the price of operating systems would be lower in a competitive market. This is the first time a major free-market think tank has published in favour of taking action against Microsoft's monopoly power."

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  1. Waves of Mass histeria by phantomcircuit · · Score: 5, Funny

    I can see it now... waves of people returning their "broken" computers....

    1. Re:Waves of Mass histeria by ozmanjusri · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I can see it now... waves of people returning their "broken" computers....

      But why?

      Have a look at this laptop from a second-tier computer builder's website. Scroll about a third of the way down the page to the "Operating Systems" checkbox. Note that you can choose between None, Ubuntu, XP, and a collection of Vista versions.

      Imagine a future version of the same field, but with "MacOS XVIII", "Plan 10" "FreeBeOS", "ReactOS Hurd", "AmigaOS Phoenix", etc, etc in the list. Real choice, in other words.

      Now imagine a world where you could click any one of those OS choices and be confident your data would be usable, that you could connect to any network you needed to, that your investment in software would be portable. A world where you could choose your OS based on price, performance and personal taste, not on format lockin and obfuscated communication protocols.

      That's the world Microsoft is fighting against.

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    2. Re:Waves of Mass histeria by ozmanjusri · · Score: 5, Insightful
      The thing about Windows is: it just freakin' works for the non-technically-inclined.

      There was an article in our local paper last week about people throwing away malware infested computers because it cost more to clean them than replace them.

      Does that sound like Windows is "just freakin' working"?

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    3. Re:Waves of Mass histeria by mithras+invictus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      OS installation is pretty straightforward nowadays. If unbundling were to become a reality the procedure would rapidly become even simpler.
      Microsoft having trouble with their authentication servers can't be a reason not to allow fair access to their competitors. They will either get it fixed or lose business.

      There is no reason to make people get their OS elsewhere, just offer a choice of (customized) OS installation CD's to be included at full retail price.

    4. Re:Waves of Mass histeria by digitrev · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Standardizing is the important thing here.
      Fair enough. But if you're going to standardize, don't let the guy in charge of selling choose the standards. Would you trust Hagen-Das to set the standards for ice-cream? Would you trust the government to set the standards for government transparency? Hell, would you trust the guy in the meat shop down the street to set the standard for meat?

      Of course you wouldn't. Because it's just plain stupid. So why on god's green earth should MS be allowed to create the standard for the computing world? They shouldn't. Someone else (say, ISO, only without the bribery) should be in charge of the standards. And then let people choose on which company best delivers on those standards.

      As for you comment about too many choices, give Joe SixPack default options and recommendations. Or hell, let him go into the store and ask what he should get for his computer. If he's not smart enough to know what his computer should do, then why is he customizing a computer? That's like letting me try and customize a car. I don't know enough about it, and I will either do my research, or ask for the opinion of the salesman. The point is, Joe SixPack should be given the opportunity to pick what he wants, but also offered a default option should he not fully understand his choices. It's like default/advanced install options. The default is good for the average user. For those who know what they're doing, let them screw with the advanced options.

      But hey. That's just me and my two cents.
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    5. Re:Waves of Mass histeria by w000t · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Great, when you can find me that version of Alibre 3D design software that runs on Windows, Mac, and Ubuntu, let me know... Heck, when you find a common version of a spreadsheet program that runs on those three platforms let me know! I know this is /. and hating MS is de rigeur, but in some cases having a monopoly platform is what enabled the explosion in IT and the penetration of computers into the corporate and home worlds. I remember the way things were back in the late 70s and early 80s. I remember headaches trying to get a Wang document to translate to an Osborne CP/M system. you don't need a monopoly to have interoperability, that's what open standards, documented formats and protocols are for (and those works reasonably well, they just are not used enough -specially by some players).

      Having a common platform, and for some applications a completely common interface, is really a good thing. Think cars, road dimensions, and gas nozzle sizes. Standardizing is the important thing here - your car can pretty much drive on any road, and stop at any gas station because of these standards. some of that would be good, but i don't see why a monopoly would help with it. or did we need to have only one company building all the cars and making all the roads to come to the current situation?

      If you want to do the BEST thing for the consumer world, don't push to add lots more choices to the OS platform; that's going to end up with the BlueRay/HD-DVD issue where J6P doesn't know what to buy, so chooses not to participate. that's never going to happen... J6P might be a complete ignorant when it comes to computers but, at the very least, he knows he needs one.

      Push to get a stable, common API exposed on that platform - whoever supplies it - and go from there. Push to standardize the meanings of common icons - file save/open/new; copy/cut/paste; help/e-mail/launch web; and other common tasks. So that J6P can sit down in front of your application and intuitively know what to do. Otherwise you'll always end up with people sticking with what they know. Because the reality most people simply want to do the task at hand with the least amount of effort - INCLUDING effort to learn a new application interface. If they're familiar with the Excel interface, then getting them to change to something else is near-Herculean. Choice is only useful to those who understand their choices; to the rest, it's needless obfuscation, anxiety, and yet another barrier to entry. standards, protocols, frameworks and common sense has already taken care of most of that, but for other things it's never going to happen, which i think it's a good thing ("let's stick with what people already know" should not become the driving force behind any standardization). in any case, a monopoly is no guarantee of what you propose (just look at what microsoft has done with the user interface in the latest office version).
  2. Bad News For Macs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sounds like this would be more of Apple's problem if this actually went through.

    Why should Windows be the only OS singled out to be unbundled? Let's stop these double standards.

    1. Re:Bad News For Macs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why should Windows be the only OS singled out to be unbundled? Let's stop these double standards.

      Sigh. How many times must this be pointed out? Apple don't have a monopoly on consumer operating systems. How in hell do you think it makes sense to protect the market from monopoly abuse by placing limits on non-monopolies? There is no double-standard, there is one standard: if monopolies harm the market they have restrictions placed on them.

  3. The way to solve it... by tgatliff · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My Little Opinion??

    To create true competition in this sector, the way to handle it is to allow their base Win32 API's to be implemented or copied... (Meaning, complete legal protection) In short, legalize Wine and similar projects... Plain and simple.. If they were to officially protect the Wine project, and similar API projects, this would allow for huge amounts of investment into this sector. Within two years nearly ever version of linux would be able to run "cleanly" virtually any Win32 application. This would also force M$ to once again compete by trying to get people to buy windows because it is better rather than because they are simply doing it..

  4. What needs to be done by Sir+Homer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    All that needs to be done is to allow any customer to refuse the bundling of Windows with a computer and be able to get a refund. It should be the purchaser's choice if he wishes to purchase Windows. I am sick of literally no OEM offering a No Operating System option, when it is so easy to purchase a company with an AMD processor or a Nvidia video card. And since the software itself is protected by an EULA which (as a contract) can be refused, this doesn't really need to be a law change. The customer should not have to jump through hoops to get a Windows refund or a no-OS option.

  5. IBM by WindBourne · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Back in the 70's, 80's when I was getting into coding (not really; hated it at that time), IBM was THE player. But they were holding back innovation. I became part of the group who was very anti-IBM and pushed both Unix and DOS (later windows). It was then that innovation really came about. MS is in the same boat now. They kill as much innovation as is needed to remain dominant. The best thing that can happen is for Windows to lose their dominance or at the very least, not be able to dictate to the market what will happen.

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  6. Re:Interesting... by ozmanjusri · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Am I right?

    No, you're wrong.

    Microsoft's monopoly depends on a legally protected special privilege, which is already anti free-market. Removing the privilege would be a difficult option, so attacking one of the symptoms (bundling is also a consequence of monopoly, not just a cause) is being recommended instead.

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  7. Re:The problem with this by Sir+Homer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Exactly. The only thing we really need is the ability to easily purchase a computer with no operating system. This doesn't need a law change either, just enforce the Microsoft EULA. If you refuse the contract (EULA) you are entitled to a refund on the software, and the fact that you have to jump through hoops and get denied repeatedly before you get a refund for Windows can be considered illegal.

  8. Re:Interesting... by markdavis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If anything, government is what makes a monopoly like Microsoft possible.

    Aside from that, in all modern "free markets", abuse of monopolistic power (as MS has done countless times) is *illegal* and subject to regulation. Or do you think it would be OK if you had to pay $2,000 a month to the monopoly power company for a 1,500ft^2 home?

    Monopolies are bad for business, bad for innovation, bad for consumers. Some are unavoidable... but if you can stop a monopoly from ruining consumer choice simply by stating it isn't allowed to "bundle" under other products, then why the hell not?

    What would you think if just about every retail TV sold had a Kodak DVD player bundled with it? What if you didn't WANT a Kodak DVD player? What if you wanted a blueray player, or a different brand, or already owned a DVD player and didn't want to pay for one yet again? What if you found out the only way you could avoid that bundle was to buy a few obscure TV models, on-line, but they cost almost the same anyway, since they are obscure? This is the type of market abuse that MS has enjoyed for waaaay too long.

  9. Uh, no. by russellh · · Score: 5, Informative
    You must not have read the report. They say:

    To be clear, this paper deliberately concerns itself with the commodity computer market, where products are aimed at the mass market. We consider the Mac to be a premium, niche product, like a Bang and Olufsen television, which is difficult to justify in the business world outside of the publishing sector. We therefore do not think that the Mac, despite claims of its superiority, provides a meaningful competitive threat to Microsoft.
    Note that word "commodity", confusing geeks world wide. It means distinguished only by price.
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  10. Re:The problem with this by John+Hasler · · Score: 5, Insightful

    > Really, vendors should be forced to ask the consumer which operating system their client
    > wants and give prices for them to their customer for every new PC sale. That would
    > promote fair market better than "banning bundling".

    That _would_ be unbundling. Bundling is "This computer comes with Microsoft Windows factory installed. It is included in the price".

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  11. The problem is this: I DONT WANT WINDOWS... by Joce640k · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I want a computer without Windows!! Where can I buy one...?

    Answer: I can't.

    Yes, there's some places to get one but they cost the same, or more, as a computer with Windows.

    How can this be when a retail copy of Windows costs {$hundreds}?

    "Unbundling" doesn't mean you won't be able to buy computers with Windows preinstalled, it removes the "bundle" aspect of the deal. Windows should be an extra and it should cost more than the basic model.

    the "non-bundle" PC could even be the exact same machine but missing the plastic card with the license key printed on it. When you switch it on it says "(a) Enter Windows license key", "(b) Format disk".

    It doesn't need to inconvenience anybody. It just needs to remove Microsoft's automatic inclusion in the sales loop.

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