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GoogHOle Exploits GMail, Picasa and 200K Other Sites
Giorgio Maone writes "Multiple Google-targeted exploits disclosed in the past 3 days could compromise your GMail account, steal your pictures from Picasa or impersonate you on almost 200,000 big sites which outsourced their search engines (vulnerabilities included in the price). If even Google, a very reactive company when web security matters, does face this kind of problems, how serious is the threat and what can you do, as a "normal" web user, to protect yourself?"
How do we blame this on Microsoft?
at the end of the day, when you rely on third party apps run by a completely different company, you can't do ANYTHING to protect yourself.
Is it completely in their hands?
How do I know if I'm vulnerable?
Can I do anything to protect myself?
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The article is very low on details. I read it and I'm still not sure how it works, whom it affects and what I can do to protect myself (obviously, since I don't know how it works).
It would have been nice if they went into some more detail for technical users.
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According to the article, exploint uses Cross-site scripting, also known as XSS. There is a firefox plugin called NoScript that limits cross site scripts. The article points you to http://noscript.net/features#xss which describes the anti-XSS protection of noscript. The noscript pages suggests that you only load firefox plugins from addons.mozilla.org and sends you to https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/722 where you can download noscript.
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Don't trust your data to 'on line' providers.
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You'll never be safe.
Complex software designed for diverse interactions will always be vulnerable to some kind of attack, even if it's as simple as someone walking out of a data center with a thumb drive in their pocket. Almost every vulnerability stems from a "feature" implemented to make software easier/flashier/useful. Flexibility and expansiveness carry with them the price of vulnerability, and pretending otherwise is to wear blinders.
Of course developers should do their best to prevent security problems -- but there is only so much that can be done when you also need to implement Really Cool Stuff. Every door you make is a door than can be kicked in, no matter how good your locks. The real world has never offered perfect security because it can't -- why expect engineered items to be safe from all evil?
Treat software and computers with caution, like walking through a major city's downtown at midnight. Sure, it's dangerous at times -- but it can also be exciting. Just don't pretend that danger doesn't exist...
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... but I already use a separate SeaMonkey browser profile for my GMail account (don't want it being associated with my normal Google searches), and access untrusted URLs using another browser running under a different user. As a matter of habit (I do web-based stuff and I'm used to having several different browsers open). Probably not 100% foolproof, but helps me sleep easier at night.
If even Google, a "very reactive" company faces these issues, what can be done? The answer: Nothing can be done.
There is no way (unless you're writing something with hundreds, rather than thousands of lines of code) that every code path is going to be audited carefully enough to catch every possible bug. Good coding practices aside, programmers are human and make errors. You do your best to catch as many as you can, and that's all you can do. When you're a "consumer" of code, you look for an organization that seems to be doing this and use their stuff. There's no complete, proactive solution to bugs.
The important thing is that you want someone "very reactive." An organization that acknowledges these flaws up-front, publicly announces vulnerabilities with a work-around until they're patched, and then corrects problems in a timely manner. Some companies are more like this than others.
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At the end of the day you can sight all kinds of flaws in Microsoft and closed source software. However, for as you're running that software LOCALLY on your computer, then you have the ability to take measures to protect yourself.
If you're drinking the google-juice just because it's "cool" or you want to support them because they're "not evil", you're only doing yourself a dis-service.
Keep your email local, dont save your passwords on a public "service", dont keep naked pictures of your girlfriend on your "G-Drive", etc etc etc
Common Sense
Neither can you if you hire people to implement it on your own company.
And if you do it yourself, you can be sure that the security will not be higher than your own skill set.
If you want to trust nobody, you might as well retreat to am isolated island somewhere, as you will be unable to function in a society. The key to functioning in a society isn't distrust, but to to be able to judge who to trust and who not to. Which is quite annoyingly mostly a social rather than a technical skill.
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I personally trust the people at Google more than I trust the people and products responsible for our internal mail solution (which is also available as web mail). Especially with regards to competence (as opposed to integrity). So I would love for us to switch.
It's really an extension of "don't log in as an admin" mentality to web-based services.
An exploit like this would certainly work with Linux if the right conditions exist. Have a Gmail account? Scripts enabled in Firefox? Yep. Could work on Linux.
The game.
perhaps one of the simplest examples of a program involving transactions and user interaction
now consider the number of hacks you can use to exploit a vending machine (granted many are physical hacks, but you could call that analogous to social engineering hacks involving "real" software)
now, if something as simple and as straightforward as a vending machine can be exploited, then the obvious conclusion is that:
we should not express shock that google can be hacked, but we should express shock that any of us expected it couldn't be hacked
any computer program of sufficient complexity will be hacked. not could be. will be
and the internet is well into the zone of "sufficient complexity"
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
Security Through Multiple Personality Disorder
which is of course a joke, but is a philosophically sound observation: you can't steal the identity of someone whose identity is fluid
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
Turn off client side scripting.
OR
echo "127.0.0.1 google.com" >> etc/hosts
When I first started in web development it was hammered into us that client side scripting MUST degrade gracefully. What ever happened to that rule?
I hate sites locked to "Web2.0" only! For the most part I will not use them. There are only a handful of URL's in my scripting white list, most of them my own sites.
Yes, I use some client scripting, but it degrades properly.
well, i use flexcar (rental car sharing), and it is WONDERFUL. I don't have to maintain it, deal with insurance, nada. I just use their car, and walk away when I am done with my rental.
I handle most third party apps for the Mac (which are usually on a .dmg) like this : .dmg to ~/noinstall/. .dmg.
(1) Download
(2) when I wish to use that app I mount the image and use app from the temporarily mounted image.
(3) When done using app unmount
(4) Profit!
Of course there are quite a few GNU apps on my Mac which were built and installed from source, but I've never had a reason to feel leery of those. All the G-apps and all third party proprietary apps are in ~/noinstall. Always knew that would pay one day...
Caveat Utilitor
I don't let websites keep my credit card info, or any password other than the one needed to unlock their own site, or any other personal info that is valid outside their own realm, unless their service won't work otherwise.
The Web would be a lot more secure if my browser had a keyring integrated with my own computer, and I kept my secrets on my own computer under my own control. When challenged by any server for a secret, my browser or other client SW I'm using should pull the secret from the keyring and supply it to the server. That service should let me use a master key from any remote terminal to query my own computer, over my home broadband or wherever I keep the secrets. All by a standard protocol that lets me just fill web forms (and other challenges) as I do now, possibly entering the master key and maybe an additional confirmation challenge to let the 3rd parties communicate, but otherwise just as transparent as just filling in the forms.
If a 3rd party server is going to store my secrets, I want it to be my bank. I don't know why banks haven't gotten into this business already, after well over a decade watching their profits multiply from the Web, along with many risks. Maybe Google will push a key distribution protocol like this in partnership with some banks. That would also finally get Google into the payment business to challenge eBay's PayPal, which I hate precisely because its (mostly unregulated) global Internet bank is a monopoly, and I don't trust PayPal with my secrets. If Google does recover from this crack, they might be solid enough to trust.
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Of course, exploitable programs are all Microsoft's fault - which must be why the remote root exploits for Quake 1 and 2 for Linux must be all Linus' fault!
Let's be honest, exploitable applications are OS independent. Though I guess honesty never really comes into it with you, hmm?
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I see many here making excuses for Google ("You'll never be safe with online service providers", "There's nothing Google can do", etc) and offering solutions ("Use Firefox with Noscript", etc). But I can't help but laugh because I know that if this were about Microsoft web services being exploited, the comments would be completely different. The number of comments would be at least five times greater than they are here and would be filled with gloating and screaming over Microsoft's "incompetence" and whatnot.
You know that there is some truth in what I say.
It looks to me that there are major holes in Google's services, and they need to be called out on it, not given excuses.
-- "I never gave these stories much credence." - HAL 9000
How about people who were looking to move their internal office applications to google (there were hundreds of people here on Slashdot saying they were planning on doing just that), are their critical private documents at risk or not? I've never been fond of software as a service for internal business functions, and this seems like another concern point against it.
nothing. relax and wait for google to fix the problem, as they surely will. Everything has some vulnerabilities, but the odds of them targeting me out of millions of people is very low. so low it's not a risk I feel any need to worry about. The endless "security" mantra is bullshit, mostly used to whip clueless consumers into making various moves from or to some product. Really it's an iterative process, an arms race if you will. Anything can happen. your office or home can be broken into very easily too ya know. So what? If you're really so fucking concerned about your precious pictures being access through picasa, maybe you should just learn to burn them to a cd and mail them to people.
The problem Microsoft have with this regard is that a) there *are* security issues with windows that simply do not occur elsewhere and popularity *is* an issue. Windows is less secure than its OSS counterparts when coupled with a user and an internet connection, this isn't just poor design or poor planning, much of it has to do with how applications use the Win32 API and the sheer complexity of the same. b) When a Windows exploit is identified, whether it is an Office issue, a OS issue, IE issue, a driver issue etc. (even a totally third party application issue) it is seen as a Microsoft issue (not an office team/explorer team etc..). In the OSS world an exploit is at most associated with whichever application it found contained in*, it is rarely seen as a *Linux* issue, and frankly that is fair, Linux is far more modular than windows (and as such (at least in places) less well integrated)
As for twitter, I have to say its getting a little bit boring, both reading that everything is Microsoft's fault and the twitter bashing. twitter seems to have valid points sometimes and as such I wish people would respond with regard to the post rather than the person posting.
Not that my wishing for things gets me anywhere!
*Unless it is a study comparing open and closed source, in that instance whichever method is better for the study sponsor will prevail.
Very reactive is all well and good - but very proactive is better.
The trolling has really dropped in quality recently...
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