There are several comments here that suggest developers are _forced_ to support IE6 because of their company or clients.
And you call yourselves professionals?
Am I the only one who quit his job over IE6 and MS junkie mgmt!? I can't be the only one. There have to be other people who take their profession seriously.
With my knowledge and expertise I create efficient computer systems for my clients. With my help, their lives become easier, their jobs become more productive.
When I'm famous I'll be auctioning my/. account. See how well it fares:
Yes, there is something different. A/. account is a durable device that lasts many years. It will build character as it wears.
[rambling about computers redacted]
Also,/. accounts are very classy. A lot of writers still use them for many reasons I've heard. They like the satisfying sounds it makes. You can't go back and edit things you've just written. It separates you from technology. It separates you from office work. You can haul it anywhere it work without worrying about battery life. You can't get distracted and browse slashdot...
Sorry about the last sentence, I was browsing slashdot while typing.
If there is a story that you don't like, log in and click the "-" on the top of the story. If enough people do that, it WILL disappear from the front page.
But what's more dangerous, the bag of tricks in the hands of a few skilled people or an open bulletin board with 0day-exploits for everyone?
What makes this question even more complicated for me is that Secunia, the people who protect us from exploits if we pay them, is sponsoring this practice.
I think the parent is talking about those "modern geeks", those superficial, macbook wielding, super star programmers. You know, the cool kind of geek, who know all about the shiny tech the jocks and their girlfriends like to play with. They're real popular nowadays, too, because they can fix your Vista notebook or setup your HD home cinema or even write a witty reply on craigslist for you.
But don't tell them anything about tinkering with old tech. Why would you play Quake on a TRS-80 when you can play Gears of War an a HDTV!? You'd sound like a total nerd to them;)
The Antisec guys just have a problem with "security experts" who earn their living by doing nothing but posting exploits (without contacting anyone but Secunia) and generally spreading fear.
I haven't really understood their views on non-disclosure but my guess is they'd rather have no disclosure at all than the farce that is full disclosure.
How about using a technology that doesn't need children crawl inside big machines, in the first place? But you're right. How dare I propose such a thing?
The technology has always worked that way and it always will. Never touch a running system!
And don't worry about the children. They're abundant and cheap. We're doing their parents a favour!
Seriously, "not killing children unless there's a bug" isn't that great a software feature. My guess is you've been working with C++ for far too long. Maybe you should take a look around you and outside the C++ world. Modern software development is more like procreation:)
And your paraphrase is wrong. God isn't responsible for letting the kid die. It was the guy who's specified the child go into the machine.
I'm not from the USA, mind you. And maybe I'm too sensitive to your customary vocabulary. Just seemed funny to me. In an ironic way. Speaking about cultures and racism and all. You could have used "belittle" or "defame" but you used "denigrate";-)
I still don't agree. Many great articles and documentaries have been produced in the last decades just to tackle these theories. Even people who had no doubt there was a moon landing could get insight into subjects they would never have touched by themselves. And I'm sure some of the loonies also learned that their doubts were just silly.
If everybody had just taken the fact for what it is, all of that would have been lost. Worst of all the moon landing itself, after all this time, would have become just another chapter in a history book. It all would have vanished if people hadn't kept on nagging us about it.
And yeah I know that was not really your point. I agree that there are crazy people who will never learn. The problem is sometimes you can't tell the crazy and uneducated apart. And when you dismiss them all, you're making a mistake.
If we stopped caring about what any looney/troll says we wouldn't even hear of those stupid ideas
Did you move to a suburb because inner city housing is too depressing? Have you stopped watching world news because it depresses you, too? Did your children's education become better when you stopped caring about it and pushed all responsibility onto the teachers?
Just because people stop caring, the problem won't suddenly disappear. If you don't educate the stupid, their ideas will become the foundation of their culture.
I think if Americans had a real desire to return to the moon we'd be there already.
The problem is, every single American could start a "social program" on their own or, even more effectively, with the help of their peers - if they really desired... The advancement of humanity on the other hand can never be done by a single person. No matter how much he or she desired.
The next time you see those people from that age group, tell them they're all selfish pricks. The only reason they favour "social programs" is because that's what the cool kids do now.
After reading this comment I felt the need to point out the practices of the Secunia sponsored "Full Disclosure" mailing list whose supporters I called the Full Disclosure movement.
This is the message that credits a guy called SBerry for "discovering" the vulnerability. All that guy did was take the testcase from the Mozilla bug tracker attach a payload to it and publish it as his exploit, ready to be consumed by every skript kiddie with a subscription to that list or the milw0rm exploit RSS feed.
I'm not suggesting we hide all bugs and actually I don't like Mozilla's practice of doing so, for the same reasons that you suggest.
What I'm suggesting is that people like SBerry, milw0rm and Secunia get punished for what they do. An exploit is no security advisory! As the name suggests its only purpose is to exploit a known vulnerability which in almost all cases happens with criminal intend. Secunia is promoting this practice by giving credit to the exploit writers (and who knows what else). milw0rm is one of their henchmen hosting all the exploits. SBerry is one of the many misguided hackers, yearning for approval, who partake in this "security practice" called Full Disclosure.
But you know, I'm just a developer who was raised a hacker. I would never call me a security expert but I really have an uneasy feeling knowing that the Security industry is promoting ready-made exploits, which I think is actually quite insecure.
No, the point is, since Firefox is an open-source project, a security minded person is already able to fetch the patch from Mozilla's open code repository. There is no such thing for Microsoft products.
In my opinion this makes a big difference. But nowadays, I seem to be in the minority.
We real pros know our typography, chromatics, networks, design principles, writing, semantic markup, proper programming, usability, psychology, marketing, privacy/security, and all the other expertises.
Yeah, you and me and the other 3 guys.
And ideally
That about sums it up. But thanks for trying to cheer me up, anyway.
Go on and mod me troll but, IMNSHO, this is just a display of the expertise of the full disclosure movement: Just post a test-case from an open bugtracker as your own exploit and enjoy your 15 minutes of fame amongst all the other skript-kiddies.
Slashdot Mirror
> 4chan
Yeah, everything on the internet is connected to 4chan, right.
Maybe you think to much about 4chan or loli or zoo sex. Huh, zoo sex? You haven't mentioned zoo sex in your post, at all.
No, but you have set your fucking /. homepage link to your personal zoo sex / furry page!!! WTF!?
WTF, dude!?
RTFA stands for "read the fucking article". The way you use RTFA makes no sense.
There are several comments here that suggest developers are _forced_ to support IE6 because of their company or clients.
And you call yourselves professionals?
Am I the only one who quit his job over IE6 and MS junkie mgmt!? I can't be the only one. There have to be other people who take their profession seriously.
With my knowledge and expertise I create efficient computer systems for my clients. With my help, their lives become easier, their jobs become more productive.
This is what I do.
This!
Thanks editors for helping take down the blasphemy.ie website! For everyone interested in reading the quotations here's the coral cache link:
http://blasphemy.ie.nyud.net/2010/01/01/atheist-ireland-publishes-25-blasphemous-quotes/
The first quotes are from Jesus Christ himself.
And btw, if you're planning on building a high traffic website don't use Wordpress...
From the blasphemy.ie source:
<meta name="generator" content="WordPress 2.7.1" />
You could always hit her back at home where nobody sees it. All you have now is a bunch of lost friendships.
Talking about double standards.
Papadimoulis indeed uses the word 'atone' in the linked announcement.
Seriously, why does it always have to be about sin and hell or fear in general? Can't we all just write good code?
When I'm famous I'll be auctioning my /. account. See how well it fares:
Yes, there is something different. A /. account is a durable device that lasts many years. It will build character as it wears.
[rambling about computers redacted]
Also, /. accounts are very classy. A lot of writers still use them for many reasons I've heard. They like the satisfying sounds it makes. You can't go back and edit things you've just written. It separates you from technology. It separates you from office work. You can haul it anywhere it work without worrying about battery life. You can't get distracted and browse slashdot...
Sorry about the last sentence, I was browsing slashdot while typing.
Large shell scripts are basically the foundation of /.
If there is a story that you don't like, log in and click the "-" on the top of the story. If enough people do that, it WILL disappear from the front page.
So, you're saying, we're going the way of Reddit?
But what's more dangerous, the bag of tricks in the hands of a few skilled people or an open bulletin board with 0day-exploits for everyone?
What makes this question even more complicated for me is that Secunia, the people who protect us from exploits if we pay them, is sponsoring this practice.
I just love the way you put "geek", "myself" and "stigma" into one sentence.
Enjoy your mindset!
I think the parent is talking about those "modern geeks", those superficial, macbook wielding, super star programmers. You know, the cool kind of geek, who know all about the shiny tech the jocks and their girlfriends like to play with. They're real popular nowadays, too, because they can fix your Vista notebook or setup your HD home cinema or even write a witty reply on craigslist for you.
But don't tell them anything about tinkering with old tech. Why would you play Quake on a TRS-80 when you can play Gears of War an a HDTV!? You'd sound like a total nerd to them ;)
The Antisec guys just have a problem with "security experts" who earn their living by doing nothing but posting exploits (without contacting anyone but Secunia) and generally spreading fear.
I haven't really understood their views on non-disclosure but my guess is they'd rather have no disclosure at all than the farce that is full disclosure.
Spoken like a true Software Architect!?
How about using a technology that doesn't need children crawl inside big machines, in the first place? But you're right. How dare I propose such a thing?
The technology has always worked that way and it always will. Never touch a running system!
And don't worry about the children. They're abundant and cheap. We're doing their parents a favour!
Seriously, "not killing children unless there's a bug" isn't that great a software feature. My guess is you've been working with C++ for far too long. Maybe you should take a look around you and outside the C++ world. Modern software development is more like procreation :)
And your paraphrase is wrong. God isn't responsible for letting the kid die. It was the guy who's specified the child go into the machine.
denigrating someone based on their race
*Beavis voice* He said "denigrating", heh heh.
I'm not from the USA, mind you. And maybe I'm too sensitive to your customary vocabulary. Just seemed funny to me. In an ironic way. Speaking about cultures and racism and all. You could have used "belittle" or "defame" but you used "denigrate" ;-)
I still don't agree. Many great articles and documentaries have been produced in the last decades just to tackle these theories. Even people who had no doubt there was a moon landing could get insight into subjects they would never have touched by themselves. And I'm sure some of the loonies also learned that their doubts were just silly.
If everybody had just taken the fact for what it is, all of that would have been lost. Worst of all the moon landing itself, after all this time, would have become just another chapter in a history book. It all would have vanished if people hadn't kept on nagging us about it.
And yeah I know that was not really your point. I agree that there are crazy people who will never learn. The problem is sometimes you can't tell the crazy and uneducated apart. And when you dismiss them all, you're making a mistake.
If we stopped caring about what any looney/troll says we wouldn't even hear of those stupid ideas
Did you move to a suburb because inner city housing is too depressing? Have you stopped watching world news because it depresses you, too? Did your children's education become better when you stopped caring about it and pushed all responsibility onto the teachers?
Just because people stop caring, the problem won't suddenly disappear. If you don't educate the stupid, their ideas will become the foundation of their culture.
I think if Americans had a real desire to return to the moon we'd be there already.
The problem is, every single American could start a "social program" on their own or, even more effectively, with the help of their peers - if they really desired... The advancement of humanity on the other hand can never be done by a single person. No matter how much he or she desired.
The next time you see those people from that age group, tell them they're all selfish pricks. The only reason they favour "social programs" is because that's what the cool kids do now.
After reading this comment I felt the need to point out the practices of the Secunia sponsored "Full Disclosure" mailing list whose supporters I called the Full Disclosure movement.
This is the message that credits a guy called SBerry for "discovering" the vulnerability. All that guy did was take the testcase from the Mozilla bug tracker attach a payload to it and publish it as his exploit, ready to be consumed by every skript kiddie with a subscription to that list or the milw0rm exploit RSS feed.
And Secunia even have the nerve calling the exploit the original advisory.
I'm not suggesting we hide all bugs and actually I don't like Mozilla's practice of doing so, for the same reasons that you suggest.
What I'm suggesting is that people like SBerry, milw0rm and Secunia get punished for what they do. An exploit is no security advisory! As the name suggests its only purpose is to exploit a known vulnerability which in almost all cases happens with criminal intend. Secunia is promoting this practice by giving credit to the exploit writers (and who knows what else). milw0rm is one of their henchmen hosting all the exploits. SBerry is one of the many misguided hackers, yearning for approval, who partake in this "security practice" called Full Disclosure.
But you know, I'm just a developer who was raised a hacker. I would never call me a security expert but I really have an uneasy feeling knowing that the Security industry is promoting ready-made exploits, which I think is actually quite insecure.
No, the point is, since Firefox is an open-source project, a security minded person is already able to fetch the patch from Mozilla's open code repository. There is no such thing for Microsoft products.
In my opinion this makes a big difference. But nowadays, I seem to be in the minority.
We real pros know our typography, chromatics, networks, design principles, writing, semantic markup, proper programming, usability, psychology, marketing, privacy/security, and all the other expertises.
Yeah, you and me and the other 3 guys.
And ideally
That about sums it up. But thanks for trying to cheer me up, anyway.
They haven't released an update yet though, which is probably the more interesting event.
That's true of course. And I don't want to split hairs but point out the open source nature of the Firefox browser:
The patch is already available.
If you had read the bugzilla thread (I know, I know) you'd know it's already fixed ;)
Go on and mod me troll but, IMNSHO, this is just a display of the expertise of the full disclosure movement: Just post a test-case from an open bugtracker as your own exploit and enjoy your 15 minutes of fame amongst all the other skript-kiddies.
Well done, hacker!