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David Pogue Reviews the XO Laptop

Maximum Prophet writes "David Pogue, technology reviewer at the New York Times, has taken a first-hand look at the XO laptop, also known as the 'One Laptop Per Child' project, or the '$100 Laptop'. His reaction is very favorable, having tested it out via several criteria. And ultimately, he writes, the laptop is about more than just technology for the people. 'The biggest obstacle to the XO's success is not technology -- it's already a wonder -- but fear. Overseas ministers of education fear that changing the status quo might risk their jobs. Big-name computer makers fear that the XO will steal away an overlooked two-billion-person market. Critics fear that the poorest countries need food, malaria protection and clean water far more than computers. But the XO deserves to overcome those fears. Despite all the obstacles and doubters, O.L.P.C. has come up with a laptop that's tough and simple enough for hot, humid, dusty locales; cool enough to keep young minds engaged, both at school and at home; and open, flexible and collaborative enough to support a million different teaching and learning styles.'"

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  1. I for one... by Kiuas · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...welcome our new laptop using child hacker overlords.

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    1. Re:I for one... by geekoid · · Score: 2, Informative

      A well designed interface can still be used by 'YET STILL ILLITERATE' people.
      In fact I can think of a method right now to help ILLITERATE people become literate.

      But your right, these are for kids that do have a certain level of literacy.

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    2. Re:I for one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      ...welcome our OLPC botnet overlords.

  2. Don't assume they'll be just be used for good by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What these well-meaning folks never seem to consider is that not all these kids are going to use their laptops for education and nice stuff like that. A third-world kid, given the internet might well decide to use it for things like scams (especially when he is exposed to the vast wealth of the first-world) and, of course, porn.

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    1. Re:Don't assume they'll be just be used for good by semiotec · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What critics like you never seem to consider is that perhaps they _have_ considered the possibility and concluded that the benefit it will bring these countries and children outweighs the harm that some individuals might do?

      Or are you advocating that we should just cut them loose entirely? embargo the entire continent until they've managed to pull themselves up to the first world standard, just in case any aid we give them backfires on us? (yes, I am well aware that I am exaggerating for the sake of dramatics).

    2. Re:Don't assume they'll be just be used for good by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 2

      I know I'll be buying four of them for Xmas, two for poor kids, one for my daughter, one for my niece. She's only just turned seven, and is already designing video games in Squeak, which comes with the OLPC, so I imagine this will work well for her.

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    3. Re:Don't assume they'll be just be used for good by Deadplant · · Score: 2, Insightful

      and? your argument seems to be that people should be kept ignorant and powerless because some people will use knowledge and power for evil.
      I don't think you've thought your cunning plan all the way through...

      (I think I'll just bite my tongue on the porn issue for the moment)

    4. Re:Don't assume they'll be just be used for good by Braino420 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ya, it's a good thing that scams and porn don't happen on America's internets. Because if it did, that would definitely outweigh ANY benefits whatsoever and should definitely be shut down. If it can be used for bad, I DONT WANT ANY. Seriously though, are you joking as much as I am?

      I love it when people take initiative to do what they think is the right thing, and then the people sitting on the sidelines are like, "Oh, you're doing it all wrong, you should do absolutely nothing like me." It really makes life entertaining for me.

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    5. Re:Don't assume they'll be just be used for good by whistlingtony · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ha!

      If those kids become socially, technically, and linguistically educated enough to run the scam, I'd say the laptop is a success. The kids will have learned english gooder... :D They'll have figured out the wonders of email, not to mention begun a lifetime of tinkering with the backgrounds of things instead of taking what's presented to them, and they'll have savvied up to American culture. They'll be reading more, writing more....

      It's jaded and crappy, but how is that not a success still?

      And Porn? Well, you could make a case that porn, put in the hands of a kid that doesn't understand that the context, could warp normal sexual relationships. I think the rampant religion has already done that though, so no worries.... Remember, sex is BAD kids! The dinosours died because you touch yourself at night.

    6. Re:Don't assume they'll be just be used for good by semiotec · · Score: 2, Interesting

      We shouldn't go into this with rose-colored glasses, with blind idealism.

      Yes, but projects like this are driven by idealism in the first place. I suppose there are differences between practical and blind idealism, but while it is important to note the possible pitfalls, it is also equally important not to lose sight of the ideal.

      I hope this is not sounding evangelical already, but I believe the OLPC team (both administrative and technical sides) have considered most if not all the possible eventualities this project may encounter and decided to go ahead with it anyway.

      So there will always be some bad apples, but that's the same everywhere. There are plenty scammers on the internet from first world countries too. Just because people don't live below the poverty line doesn't mean they don't want to acquire wealth in dodgy manners, in fact, they are even more creative at it. Equally, just because people live below the poverty line doesn't mean they all want to scam money from richer folks.

      By some people's standards, I am probably living in the slums. I've heard of people living in styles where their daily expenses are greater than my annual income, but I don't really feel the need to con money out of these "rich" people. At the same time, I know many people who are in much worse financial situations than myself, but I've not felt they are trying to take advantage of me financially.

      I suppose you are arguing that by given technological tools to poor people, we are giving them the possibility to commit offences. But (let me put on my rose-tinted glasses) we are also at the same time enabling others the opportunity to do good, and hopefully in the long run, the good will outweigh the bad.

    7. Re:Don't assume they'll be just be used for good by nuzak · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Birds eat bugs. But I guess we can just pour on more DDT to make up for their being gone.

      And most of the people in these countries would prefer that rich white people stopped poisoning their environment.

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    8. Re:Don't assume they'll be just be used for good by dangitman · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yet the spread of the internet in South Africa is fuelling the spread of lies and misinformation about the fatal disease, its aetiology and possible treatments

      It could be worse. They could be using MySpace.

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    9. Re:Don't assume they'll be just be used for good by neomunk · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And with that, we've come back full circle to the topic of the XO.

      This machine has a high likelihood (if coupled with an internet connection, and that is being developed alongside the XO, IIRC) of creating blogs of starving villages. These WILL get noticed, and WILL receive charitable donations whether solicited or not from bleeding hearts. ('bleeding hearts' not meant derisively)

      Put another way, I think there's a really good chance that these laptops will actually end up feeding people, very possibly more people than the equivalent amount spent on food, by making them more a part of the *OVERUSED EUPHEMISM WARNING* 'global village'. It'll bring their reality into our personal world more.

      For example, when a person's kid tells them that their friend that they talk to over the internet hasn't been to school for 4 days because he/she is too hungry to walk there, said person has a much higher chance of writing a charitable check than seeing the kids on the Save the Children Fund commercials, at least in my opinion.

    10. Re:Don't assume they'll be just be used for good by rockmuelle · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'm not sure that the assumption that kids will be the primary users of these laptops is even valid.

      I've done volunteer work in 3rd world nations and the one thing we really needed was realiable, weather-proof computers with wireless communication. The first thing I thought of when I played around with an OLPC was how great the platform was for remote areas. In these environments, the standard practice is to get hand-me-down laptops from 1st world countries. These tend to vary from barely working 386-based systems to more modern Mac and Windows machines with serious battery issues. Having a rugged, field-rechargable platform would simplify a number of applications - from simple logistics (keeping track of local resources and trade), to tracking human rights abuses (what I was doing), to the more nefarious military/rebel/drug-running uses (which is what I personally think most OLPCs will be appropriated for). I suspect adults will quickly become the primary users of XOs.

      I haven't seen any serious discussion about this possible (probable) use of the OLPC and would like to see what other people think (esp. if you've worked in these areas before).

      -Chris

  3. Yo, Editors: by CompMD · · Score: 2, Informative

    "Pogue" is the spelling.

  4. Of course there's fear. by Mahjub+Sa'aden · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you take a path no-one has taken before, you're basically risking your reputation (and I guess in the countries in question your life as well) on something that isn't proven to work. Or, in the case of Windows, isn't proven to sort of work.

    The real question becomes, then, how afraid are you? Innovation always involves fear. But it involves ridiculous rewards when you're right.

    When you consider that the course of action in question involves the betterment of an entire generation of children, and quite possibly their children as well, you can't be faulted for at least trying something new. Even something untested, because face it, your old and busted way isn't working very well.

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    1. Re: Of course there's fear. by Mahjub+Sa'aden · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If it were merely education in a classroom setting, I could see it as a distraction, a detriment of some kind. But the XO is about a different kind of education entirely, one not driven (necessarily) by classroom learning. It's about enabling a generation to become familiar with computers, with computing metaphors, and even better, UNIX.

      It could be like a quantum leap for an entire generation of kids. They might take it to the next level. Punch it up a notch. Fly high. Other metaphors and similes.

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  5. Eh? by ChromeAeonium · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Big-name computer makers fear that the XO will steal away an overlooked two-billion-person market. Why should anyone care what they think? If they're not going to produce a similar product that that two billion person market can afford, to heck with them. Of course they'll loose the sale if no one can afford their product.
    1. Re:Eh? by Enrique1218 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I would be afraid if dell made a $200 laptop. They can't keep a $1,000 laptop from exploding. Can you make a laptop any shittier?

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  6. Can I flash the thing by DrXym · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I'd possibly buy one for $400 but I wouldn't want the software that comes with it. I hope Bitfrost is disabled and you can flash an alternative OS onto it. Otherwise it's the Asus Eee PC for me. To be honest I really need something like these PCs. A normal laptop is too heavy, too expensive, too fragile to take on short breaks or travelling. These things fit the bill perfectly. I can see an enormous market for them.

    Maybe they should even sell a proper commercial OLPC (in black perhaps) to consumers expressly for this purpose. Use the profits to subsidize the educational version.

    1. Re:Can I flash the thing by MBCook · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Bad comparison. Is you Compaq designed to take all sorts of abuse, and be able to withstand water and dust and such? How long does your Compaq run on battery? Does it have no moving parts other than the keyboard? Or is it rather fragile.

      This is not designed to compete in the regular laptop market, but if they upped the keyboard to adult size it would probably work for 90+% of US citizen's real needs.

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    2. Re:Can I flash the thing by timeOday · · Score: 5, Informative

      The XO weighs over 3 pounds and is worse in every techinical respect (processor, memory, hard disk space, drives, etc).
      RTA!
      • 6-24 hours(!!!) of run-time
      • The XO's battery is good for 2000 charges and costs $10
      • The XO has a 200 DPI daylight visible screen(!!!)
      • It can run on a 1' square, $12 solar panel
      • Spill-proof keyboard
      Just like the article says, this laptop has many significant advantages - not just over your $350 Compaq, but over my $3000 Thinkpad. I would really like to get one of these for my 9 year old - and I have no doubt my wife and probably myself would be stealing it often!
    3. Re:Can I flash the thing by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Is you Compaq designed to take all sorts of abuse, and be able to withstand water and dust and such?

      The durability and the low power consumption make this very interesting to me. If I can plug my phone into it via a USB port it could be a great connectivity solution while camping. (Festival-type campground camping in rural but not backwoods areas, where I can still get a cell signal, and be reachable in case of a work emergency. Backwoods camping is a different beast, if I'm going to the woods I am gone and don't expect to reach me.)

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    4. Re:Can I flash the thing by markov_chain · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's been said already, but let me also add:

      - the screen is readable in daylight
      - the battery lasts 24 hours in "ebook reading" mode (they power the framebuffer only, while suspending the main board)

      Is there another product on the market that does this? If you reply "paper" I will smack you with a fish! :)

      The other neat point is, it hasn't even been designed for first-world grownups to read on the beach.

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  7. Photoshop? by wile_e_wonka · · Score: 4, Informative

    The Linux operating system doesnt run Microsoft Office, Photoshop or any other standard Mac or Windows programs. Wait--I got ripped off. My computer came with windows, but it didn't come standard with Microsoft Office or Photoshop!

    In all seriousness, though, the OLPC comes with OpenOffice and Gimp, which seem like fine alternatives to me for a bunch of African kids getting the laptop for free.
  8. Steal away an overlooked two-billion-person market by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How can you "steal away" something that is being overlooked?

    It sounds like they may be defining a new marketspace that others will be free to join and compete in.

  9. THEY WILL LOOSE THE SALE... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...and let lose the dogs of war!

  10. If OLPC was so good, it would be sold in US by iamacat · · Score: 2, Interesting

    After all, children do not stop needing cool, rugged laptops just because they have clean water and no malaria. Many US families are by no means reach and those pedal/crank/cord charging schemes would come very handy on scout trips. It's a bonus that the laptops will not run most viruses or "mature" 3D games. A modest market at somewhat higher price in US will lower costs through mass production as well as directly subsidize free - not even $100 - laptops for truly poor countries.

    The fact that the OLPCs are not offered in US toy stores even before pushing them abroad makes me suspect that they are seriously underpowered machines without much available software and are not as fun and cool as the project leaders would have us think.

    1. Re:If OLPC was so good, it would be sold in US by MBCook · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's flat out moronic. It's an amazing machine.

      So why not sell them in the US?

      • "It don't fit my hands?"
      • "Where do I put the CD?"
      • "Where is the start menu?"
      • "Why can't my kids play XBox on it?"

      These are ingenious little machines. It would be very smart to sell them to US consumers, but frankly I think the US computer market (something that includes me) tends to be... on average... far too ignorant to be able to buy these effectively. They will consider them all broken because they aren't "normal" computers.

      All this is ignoring the fact the whole point of this project is to help 3rd world people, not give Americans another way to IM their friends.

      They aren't underpowered, they have plenty of power. You don't NEED a dual CPU 2.x GHz laptop with 2 gigs of RAM to compute. This think would kick my Mac LC II around the block so bad it wouldn't be funny.

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    2. Re:If OLPC was so good, it would be sold in US by DragonWriter · · Score: 4, Informative

      The fact that the OLPCs are not offered in US toy stores even before pushing them abroad makes me suspect that they are seriously underpowered machines without much available software and are not as fun and cool as the project leaders would have us think.


      They aren't designed as toys. They are designed as educational tools to be used in an environment where they interact with others with similar hardware, school servers, etc., and to support centralized distribution of software and content by the agency purchasing them.

      I also don't think you understand the marketing costs and risk associated with a mass retail marketing effort, particular of a product which is designed for the specific needs of a very different one than you are trying to market it to at retail.
    3. Re:If OLPC was so good, it would be sold in US by MathFox · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'ld like to add that they need to produce millions of near identical computers to get the economy of scale to produce it at $150-200 cost. A run for the US toys stores would be too small. It is possible that some surplus will end up in regular "western" sales channels.

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    4. Re:If OLPC was so good, it would be sold in US by DragonWriter · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You make it sound more complicated than it is. In simple terms: nobody wants to spend a lot of money trying to market a cheap computer that isn't really designed for the U.S. market. Even if Americans wanted to buy it, there's no hope of making any money selling it.


      I don't think "the U.S. market" is the thing that it is not designed for that makes the big difference. Sure, sure, its environment-proof in many ways to meet needs of the developing world, but that kind of kid-proofing isn't far from the needs of young users in the U.S.

      What it isn't designed for that really makes a difference is the individual purchaser market, in the US or elsewhere. Most of the key features of interest to end-users rely on either (a) having regular access to an upstream content supplier, or (b) having lots of other people in your peer group that have a compatible system.

    5. Re:If OLPC was so good, it would be sold in US by localman · · Score: 2, Informative

      Having had success installing late 80's era black and white Macintosh computers in South Africa, I'm going to say that you don't understand the issue. The needs are very different there and here. A rugged underpowered machine is much preferable to anything you can buy in the stores.

      Cheers.

    6. Re:If OLPC was so good, it would be sold in US by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The fact that the OLPCs are not offered in US toy stores even before pushing them abroad makes me suspect that they are seriously underpowered machines

      The XO is not a toy, it's an educational tool. I don't see math textbooks in U.S. toy stores.

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    7. Re:If OLPC was so good, it would be sold in US by falconwolf · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'ld like to add that they need to produce millions of near identical computers to get the economy of scale to produce it at $150-200 cost.

      I'll add that it would help if the laptops were produced in the country if not the region that buys them. One nation mentioned as buying or having an interest in buying the XO is Brazil. If OLPC were to open a factory in Brazil to build them n ot only would it benefit education in Brazil but it would create jobs there too. They might not last long but the skills gained by the workers can be used somewhere else, a group of workers could start a business building computers and selling them. Others can write software.

      Falcon
  11. A child?? I must have turn the logo the wrong way by DigitalReverend · · Score: 5, Funny

    FTFA: "The laptop is now called the XO, because if you turn the logo 90 degrees, it looks like a child."

    90 degrees in which direction? If you turn it the other way it looks like a skull and crossbones.

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  12. tradeoffs by LwPhD · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Despite some of my reservations (some of them in common with Pogue) I really hope that this "little laptop that could" becomes widely adopted. If it is, it will be game changing on so many levels. It is so much more than a teaching tool. Not only will it redefine who gets to participate in the market of ideas, it will change the pricing for laptop prices across the board. Perhaps even quicken the convergence between cell phones, PDAs, laptops, and other media centers. The little device is just wicked cool.

    However, there are some darker sides to it. Online addiction is epidemic in China. Also, if the OLPC is actually successful, some suggest that their owners would man a CAPTCHA solving army.

    In the end, I think these risks are worth the benefits. And wide adoption is the least of the project's worries. It seems as if adoption is taking off a little too slowly.

  13. Less is More? by rueger · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A rather thin article to be sure, but this machine does offer something appealing - less of everything.

    More and more, after years of Windows, then a Mac, then dabbling with various Linux distros, I find myself questioning just how much of the junk on my computers is essential or even useful.

    Less moving parts, simpler and fewer applications, and limited capabilities, all sound like positives, not negatives, if only because it could slow the endless stream of updates and fixes, each of which seems to introduce other problems.

    I can see an OLPC machine as really good daily machine for e-mail, browsing, and some everyday tasks like word processing, at least with a bigger hard drive. With the option of maintaining a desktop PC, even a generation older, to handle the heavy lifting of Adobe and similar tools, I could probably get by nicely with this little unit.

  14. Re:first tits! by iamacat · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Yes, in fact an ideal "change the world" computer should come with a complete schematics. Local tech industry can then get off the ground by manufacturing clones costing way less than $100 and eventually making more powerful versions for adults and even businesses.

  15. It's called the "Web", guys by Turing+Machine · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Critics fear that the poorest countries need food, malaria protection and clean water far more than computers.

    'Cause there's no way that you could possibly use one of these things to learn about sustainable agriculture, malaria prevention, or safe drinking water, right?

  16. Re:first tits! by jdigriz · · Score: 3, Funny

    Nah, an ideal "change the world" computer should come with self-replicating nanoassemblers so it can then produce more copies of itself from garbage as well as provide food, shelter, electricity generation and anything else the user might need.

  17. yeah by everphilski · · Score: 2, Interesting

    virtually all ham radios, even the new ones with the tiny pitch SMT soldered components, come with schematics. I'm on a mailing list for the Yaesu FT-817and people have broken it open to swap out resistors to improve performance. Ham radio operators complain that nowadays we are just 'appliance operators': computer users haven't been experimentalists/hobbyists for the most part for 20+ years, although a few still do tinker. I wonder if it will come full circle someday and computers will be more of a hobbyist build, with schematics and more possibilities.

    1. Re:yeah by iamacat · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So sounds like you are only waiting for cheaper and more powerful FPGAs? I guess the programming equipment doesn't have to be that cheap - an online service that mails you ones programmed to your schematics would do.

  18. Re:A child?? I must have turn the logo the wrong w by MagicM · · Score: 2, Informative

    The skull and crossbones is the child. See the website.

  19. Re:first tits! by CheeseTroll · · Score: 3, Informative

    How is any local tech industry going to manufacture clones for less? As Negroponte has pointed out, assembly costs for the XO are only ~$1 per machine. They'd need to import all the individual components, anyway.

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  20. 120 Euro laptop? by peter303 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Price has been nearly constant in Euros since the project was conceived :-)

  21. Give 1, Get 1 - Great but Dangerous by tmdybvik · · Score: 3, Insightful
    The "Give 1, Get 1" program is in many ways a great initiative, that could allow this program to gradually become self financing, at least considerably less expensive. It also drives manufacturing scale, reducing unit cost, at least initially.

    There will be plenty of takers for the foreseeable future. The program caters to peoples vanity, allowing the giver to flaunt their generosity. Nothing appeals more to the western world than gadgets and vanity, and if our obsessions can fuel third world education, then that would be the best thing since sliced bread.

    Governments could also benefits from a relatively low-cost rugged PC. Try to get a reasonably equipped, rugged piece of hardware for $400. You can't.

    However, the laptops for sale should be of a different colour, for instance red. This would alleviate one of the biggest concerns of the program --- that stolen green laptops became a major source of revenue to corrupt government officials, or to parents who found a few dollars more tempting than their child's education. The goods will eventually end up in the hand of westerners who act like Santa Claus but are actually stealing from the kids --- a disturbing thought.

    Selling the standard green laptop is a gigantic mistake. By all means keep the production line the same, but please change (at least) the colour of the enclosure for the resale variant. Help keep the green XO in the hands of its intended users.

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  22. Sell them as by geekoid · · Score: 3, Informative

    '1st start' computer for 100 bucks. Make them bright black, yellow, pink, or purple.

    Once the kids friends realize how much power they will have, they all will want one. By the time the parents realize what's up it will be to late.

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  23. Re:first tits! by timeOday · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "There are also three programming environments of different degrees of sophistication. Incredibly, one keystroke reveals the underlying code of almost any XO program or any Web page. Students can not only study how their favorite programs have been written, but even experiment by making changes. (If they make a mess of things, they can restore the original.)" OK, you were asking for open hardware, but still I think that is pretty amazing.

  24. I'll be Buying and USING the XO by ChaoticCoyote · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'll be picking up at least one of these machines -- well, two, since if I buy one for $400, they send another one to a kid somewhere who needs it.

    I hope the distribution isn't limited to third-world countries; there are some poor areas right here in the U.S. that could use these machines. Certain Indian reservations come to mind...

    I need a computer with decent outdoor screen and great battery life, one that's cheap enough I can afford to let it sink into a swamp without diving in and fighting the alligators and leeches for it (I do wildlife research in Florida). This machine may be just the ticket.

  25. That mesh network thing is too cool. by GnarlyDoug · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I really love the mesh network concept. That should be in the big three operating systems already. Hopefully this will spur the adaptation of this concept to the big operating systems. I can see huge uses for it, from collaborative projects to gaming and of course education.

  26. Re:ridiculous technocentric exuberance by KnowledgeKeeper · · Score: 2, Insightful

    At the risk of getting flames from a tech-oriented /. crowd, I still don't agree or possibly don't fully understand the mentality behind a push to get laptops into the hands of children in poor countries. I see it as folly, and missing the point of what people really want.

    No need to flame, just listen to an explanation - what if those laptops came with a tiny version of wikipedia? Math, physics, engineering, agriculture texts and some instructional videos. Maybe some chemistry and biology. Perhaps they even start some knowledge oriented communities. Using that they can get to know about their surroundings and after some time even innovate. They could use our tech to set up their environment for a more comfortable and pro-intellectual atmosphere.

    Who knows, maybe somebody out there gets to start a herbal-oriented medicine wiki and we get some use of it. If that's the case, it's worth it. Who knows what _WE_ are missing by not doing this ten years ago. Cure for cancer, cure for baldness (ha, got your attention there, have I? :) ), ebola or even foot and mouth disease. Whatever the case, with this thing the future looks bright - hopefully, our civilization could get a few thousand great scientists more a year in ten to twenty years (considering African birth rate and assuming less baby, children and adult deaths due to less stupidity, STDs and wars).

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  27. Never underestimate these people. by IonOtter · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Critics fear that the poorest countries need food, malaria protection and clean water far more than computers.

    "Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, feed him for a lifetime." Or teach him to phish and he'll buy a mansion and a couple of Ferraris.

    But seriously, this is a fatuous statement at best, and downright offensive otherwise. Look at what happens when you give these people cellphones and PDA's? How PDA's Are Saving Lives in Africa

    Imagine what they can do with computers that not only have some serious processing power, but have multiple interfaces? WiFi, keyboard, mouse, screen and more? Now those PDA's and cellphones can get data from the XO Laptop in their home, send it along the cell network to whomever.

    Right now, the farmers can take pictures of the bugs eating their crops with a PDA or cellphone and send that image to a research facility for the best advice on how to counter the pests. With the XO, they can download a small library of insect pests common to their region and find it themselves, along with the necessary advice.

    THEN they put it out on the XO Net and the PDA/cell network, where it's sent to ALL the farmers in the region. "Look out! Locusts spotted in our village, heading east!"

    Suddenly, farmers and villages can take a proactive approach to their lives.

    Or howabout this?

    "Look out! Soldiers coming from Darfur! Everyone get out, we'll rendezvous at the well and head south!"

    Don't underestimate these people. They may need food, but these devices will help them get their OWN food.

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  28. Re:What "need" does this fulfill? by grcumb · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I won't perpetuate the popular stereotype of straw huts and rampant starvation and disease, but I don't buy into this assumption that African progress is being hindered by a lack of cheap computers, of all things.

    I believe it was Duke Ellington who, when asked what Jazz is, famously said, "Man, if you gotta ask, you ain't never gonna know."

    (And while we're at it: You are aware that the majority of the developing world is not in Africa, I hope?)

    If you don't get why improved access to information is a fundamental prerequisite for development, then the XO will always look like wings on a fish. If, however, you can accept the premise that inadequate communications is one of the biggest stumbling blocks we face when trying to perform any kind of development work, then you will quickly see why people are so excited about this project.

    I met a young doctor yesterday whose initial reaction was almost exactly the same as yours. She's dedicated to health education in the developing world, and she's very good at what she does. When she first read about the work we've been doing in the South Pacific, she immediately scoffed and insisted that we should try getting a steady supply of antibiotics and anti-malarials first. But just last week as she was conducting a walking tour of one of the poorest areas in the country, she realised what she could achieve if most or all of the children there had these laptops. She's since signed on to our national OLPC project as a content developer.

    Solving communications is a necessary - but not sufficient - element of development. The XO doesn't remove the need for vast amounts of material aid, but it makes it so much easier for development projects to actually succeed.

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    Crumb's Corollary: Never bring a knife to a bun fight.
  29. Re:I've got a great eBook reader. by argent · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Most PDA's don't have the high-resolution displays of good dedicated eBook readers or the XO

    Most dedicated eBook readers are bigger than a hardcover, far too big to slip into your pocket. And my Clie has at least the same resolution as the good eBook readers I've seen, it just has a smaller screen... about half the size of a page of a paperback.

    IMO, most PDA's don't make good e-Book readers.

    IMO, most eBook readers don't make as good eBook readers as PDAs do. Being able to fit into my pocket is for me a non-negotiable feature, and something the size of a hardback book doesn't qualify.

  30. Re:The scams I understand. by ozmanjusri · · Score: 2, Interesting
    After all, isn't one of the big controversies over OLPC / XO the "fear" that the technology will be used irresponsibly?

    No, that's just a bunch of shills/trolls who realise this thing's good enough to make people in the developed world wonder why they're paying so much for the bloated, virus-infested crap they're saddled with.

    When you see whining on the scale of the posts here, about a project with so many clear benefits, scrape a bit deeper and you'll see the usual greed and self-interest driving them.

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    "I've got more toys than Teruhisa Kitahara."
  31. Re:What "need" does this fulfill? by tedswiss · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Here, here! Jon "Maddog" Hall spoke at the Ohio Linux Fest last week on "computing off the grid." In his presentation he spoke eloquently on the multitude of good uses for the XO/OLPC program, and the caveats of thinking like a "westerner" in non-western geographies. A very interesting ~45 mins. Here's a bad quality, but understandable MP3 of his speech.

  32. Re:Surfing Pr0n by iamacat · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Are you under the impression that children in developing countries are deprived of viewing nudity and sex? How do you think babies are breastfed? How do girls of their own age swim when they van not afford those fancy swimsuits? Where are their folks doing "it" in a shack sans multiple bedrooms?

    Prudishness is an american problem. And here viewing pr0n can be argued to have educational value more important than math.