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How Microsoft Inadvertently Helps To Fund FOSS

christian.einfeldt writes "The State of California sued Microsoft for anti-trust violations, and now the proceeds of the settlement of that case are being used to fund the acquisition of computers for any school district in California. The terms of the settlement allow every school district in California to be reimbursed a set dollar amount for the purchase of computers with the software of their choice. Microsoft probably anticipated that school districts would mainly use the settlement to buy more Microsoft products, with a few Apple purchases sprinkled in here and there. But now that Free Open Source Software is being commercialized by hardware vendors such as Dell, System76, EmperorLinux, Zareason.com, and TechCollective.com, acquiring computers powered by FOSS is straightforward. I'm a volunteer sysadmin at a northern California public charter school and in my Slashdot journal I detail the step-by-step process for using Microsoft's money to pay for the Linux purchases of your school's choice." And then there's the Ubuntu team in Belgium that is raising funds by auctioning off a copy of Windows Vista Ultimate that a Microsoft rep gave them at a trade show. So far the bidding is up to 101.76 Euros, about $144.

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  1. Wow. by EveryNickIsTaken · · Score: 2

    And then there's the Ubuntu team in Belgium that is raising funds by auctioning off a copy of Windows Vista Ultimate that a Microsoft rep gave them at a trade show. This is exactly why Linux will never gain mainstream acceptance... Shitty marketing. Instead of doing something cool with it, and making a big PR stunt out of it.. (i.e., blow up your Windows disks.. that worked pretty well at the "blow up your disco records" event..) they're... auctioning it. Good job, guys.
    1. Re:Wow. by Sumadartson · · Score: 5, Interesting

      IANAE (I am not an economist)

      Actually, I really like the initiative. If done properly (that's a big if), the auctioned price could give an indication what people perceive the value of Vista to be. My guess is that it will be significantly lower than the price Microsoft set for is. Which, in itself, is an indication of the market power of MS.

    2. Re:Wow. by jimstapleton · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Conversely, the though of supporting FOSS could artificially inflate the price, MS could ignore that fact, and could argue that people percieve Windows to be worth more than they are charging.

      Double-edged-sword, that.

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    3. Re:Wow. by EveryNickIsTaken · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Or.. most likely.. the auction will come and go with little fanfare, and a handful of snarky Ubuntu users will get a good laugh, but that's about it.

  2. Ubuntu team in danger of liability action ... by Alain+Williams · · Score: 5, Funny

    If they knowing sell on something with known defects (that copy of MS Vista) and it screws up someone's machine -- would they not be liable for any loss that they endured ?

    1. Re:Ubuntu team in danger of liability action ... by Entropius · · Score: 4, Funny

      I imagine they'll send the guy a complimentary (or should that be "complementary"? ;)) (K)Ubuntu disk in the mail, with the instruction "You'd probably be better off using this instead, but here's the Vista disk you bought."

    2. Re:Ubuntu team in danger of liability action ... by Bert64 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Were that the case, microsoft would have been bankrupted many years ago.

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    3. Re:Ubuntu team in danger of liability action ... by jkrise · · Score: 4, Funny

      If they(Canonical) knowing sell on something with known defects (that copy of MS Vista)...

      I imagine the support call to go something like this:

      Vista User: Hi! I got a problem with Vista.
      MS rep: Only one?
      VU: Yep.. I can't activate
      MS: Where did you get it? Or is it pirated?
      VU: I bought it from Ubuntu
      MS: Those guys haven't paid us protection money... like the good folks at Novell, Xandros..
      VU: But it is still Microsoft Vista on the package... It's got this shticker as well... can I have a license key?
      MS: Okay here you go... 54524524087698032413243064087513243404353040453204753047340873453207.
      VU: I didn't ask for Ballmer's bank balance; just a license key!
      MS: That's what I gave you...
      VU: Okay... I typed it all in.. still won't go forward...
      MS: Okay do this. Put that number in Excel 2007 and divide it by 345.43521; enter the first 128 digits, and then.. .hello? you still there????
      VU: ..................
      MS: Status: Waiting for customer. Next call please!

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  3. Re:In Soviet Russia... by jimstapleton · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Look at all the Linux users who buy pre-built machines with Windows, because until recently, they lacked many alternatives short of building their own.

    That's not just Soviet Russia my meme spouting friend.

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  4. I wonder by Billosaur · · Score: 2, Funny

    Do you think there are people at Microsoft who go home and secretly work Linux by night?

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    1. Re:I wonder by Stanistani · · Score: 4, Funny

      You make that sound so... dirty.

      Tell me more.

    2. Re:I wonder by Bert64 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      From the "CREDITS" file distributed with current linux kernel versions:

      N: Raymond Chen
      E: raymondc@microsoft.com
      D: Author of Configure script
      S: 14509 NE 39th Street #1096
      S: Bellevue, Washington 98007
      S: USA

      So yes, at least some do or have done.

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    3. Re:I wonder by wumpus188 · · Score: 2, Informative
  5. Re:Who exactly do I pay? by speaker+of+the+truth · · Score: 4, Informative

    The fines Microsoft were given are being used to buy computers that have Linux installed on them. Rather simple to understand really.

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  6. using Microsoft's money by muuh-gnu · · Score: 5, Informative

    > using Microsoft's money to pay for the Linux purchases of your school's choice.

    This isnt Microsofts money. This is the money Microsoft extorted from you and is now being forced to give back a tiny amount of this. Any cent that is not going to Microsoft (or even worse, to Apple), but to someone distributing Free Software is great, though.

  7. Cool! by Penguinisto · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I like the fact that schools are (finally!) looking at Linux as a viable OS for the classroom. Seriously, we've come a long way - I remember trying to get it introduced as curriculum in 2000 at the college I taught at, and it took a metric ton of tooth-pulling to get done.

    I've seen (at least in Utah when I lived there) schools transitioning from NetWare servers to Linux-based ones, but the classroom pretty much was all Windows, all the time.

    Now when will we see OpenOffice being taught in the High School and collegiate business courses, instead of you-know-who?

    /P

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    1. Re:Cool! by ExE122 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I come from a nerdy IT college that was almost exclusively Linux. However I've worked on setting up labs with a friend of mine at another college down the road, and they insisted on being exclusively Windows. Their argument was that Windows was more "user friendly".

      I think the problem is that most schools don't realize that running Linux doesn't mean you have to learn how to write bash scripts, develop C code, and use vi to edit documents (even though regex editing pwns).

      I think Linux vendors just need to do a better job of marketing themselves as a user-friendly and low cost professional solution that can be intuitive to an inexperienced user.

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    2. Re:Cool! by halber_mensch · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I come from a nerdy IT college that was almost exclusively Linux. However I've worked on setting up labs with a friend of mine at another college down the road, and they insisted on being exclusively Windows. Their argument was that Windows was more "user friendly".

      I rather think that users and observers commonly mistake "user-friendly" to be "a familiar type and amount of pain". Windows is less easy to use than it is familiar, and remembering the pain it took to gain that familiarity many users will shy from diving into something new fearing what new pain to unveil from a different system.

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  8. But they own linux by neokushan · · Score: 5, Funny

    But Microsoft owns all of the copyrights for Linux anyway, according to Ballmer, remember?

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  9. Re:Why Is this Important?!! by speaker+of+the+truth · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why would anyone be trying to promote Linux here at Slashdot? Everyone is either converted or never will be.

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  10. Libraries can do this too... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    with the Gates Foundation grants. Unless the process has changed since the last time my organization went through it, it's possible to spec out alternate equipment and software instead of accepting the "recommended" equipment. That, and if you have funds remaining after your purchase, you can buy more equipment, so long as it's for public computing. I funded a LTSP-based thin client server that way...

  11. Re:Who exactly do I pay? by bcattwoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The fines Microsoft were given are being used to buy computers that have Linux installed on them. Rather simple to understand really. Perhaps I missed it when Dell announced that a portion of every Linux purchase would be donated to the FOSS project of your choice.
  12. What Microsoft thought doesn't really matter by Julie188 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    "Microsoft probably anticipated that school districts would mainly use the settlement to buy more Microsoft products, with a few Apple purchases sprinkled in here and there." That's a pretty big "who cares" isn't it? Whatever Microsoft thought the fine would be used for doesn't make a bean of difference. The true irony would have been if the money WAS really being used to buy mostly Microsoft products. Then you'd have bamboozled consumers paying --> microsoft paying --> government fines paying --> schools paying --> microsoft ... end result Microsoft has the money. But that's not the case so it's all cool.

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  13. Even worse? by jgs · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Why is Apple "even worse"? Just curious -- Apple has various unappealing qualities but unlike Microsoft they don't have a monopoly which they've been found guilty of abusing to extort money from you. "Even worse" would seem to be a pretty high bar.

    1. Re:Even worse? by Machtyn · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Perhaps, it is because HAD Apple gained the marketshare that Microsoft did, not only would we have closed software, we would also have closed hardware.

      While Apple certainly has an extremely creative group of engineers, would we have as much choice and innovation as we do now for hardware if 80+% of the market went with Apple? I think not. This is where the "even worse" comes in, it is in the possibility of what might have happened.

      /Won't somebody please think of the games?!

  14. Re:Still not funding by russ1337 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    MS paid a fine. What the state chooses to use that money for is their own business, and has nothing to do with said fine.
    It seems ridiculous to use the money to buy Microsoft products with the money you took off them, essentially giving them the money back.
  15. Re:$64bn dollars by jmac1492 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In Slashdot form, here's a (bad) car analogy translation: Say your computer is like a car. Just like your car needs gas to do anything useful, your computer needs an operating system to do anything useful. What Microsoft did was pretty much muscling all the gas stations out of town so they could jack up the price, which is illegal. California made them give some of the money back. What this is is basically taking the money Microsoft is giving you as their fine, and using it to buy Linux gasoline.

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  16. Re:Why Is this Important?!! by ozmanjusri · · Score: 2, Insightful
    A hundred bucks or so that would raise wouldn't "fund" anything more than a catered lunch, if that.

    Are you insane?

    Do you know how many copies of Ubuntu that'd buy you?

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  17. I wish... by mpapet · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ... they insisted on being exclusively Windows... I think Linux vendors just need to do a better job of marketing themselves

    This is the equivalent of the Photoshop/GIMP discussion that's endlessly recycled on /. "If only GIMP had feature X...." Well bad news, even when GIMP gets feature X, they'll have a new reason for not switching.

    In both cases they are so single-minded they happily accept all of the limitations/expenses they bring upon themselves. Trying to convince them otherwise is a steep, nasty, uphill battle that probably can't be won.

    Pick your battles very carefully and figure out what the school needs and is ready to pay for then provide it for free. An excellent start is the domain controller. An even simpler start is a dumb file server.

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  18. Re:Still not funding by russ1337 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Well, at least the smart ones will buy Windows PCs for their students, since that will best prepare them for their future in the monopolistic non-thinking 'customer-is-a-criminal' world they'll going to grow up in, where large corporations dictate all terms, including the fines they receive, and tell you what is good for you whether you like it or not.
    There, I fixed that for you.
  19. Re:Huh? by jhines · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The lines on the finances can be drawn anywhere, but to stay in business a company has to earn a little profit. Are they marking up Linux, or their services, the hardware, or?

    What is key here is that companies have noticed they can make a profit off of FOSS, rather than being forced to suckle at MS's teat. This isn't bad for FOSS.

    The business (and educational) world wants computers and software that just work.

  20. Re:Still not funding by JohnBailey · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well, at least the smart ones will buy Windows PCs for their students, since that will best prepare them for their future. Quite the opposite. Any school that just teaches specific applications is letting their students down and wasting any money spent on computer equipment. Teaching someone that a certain menu option is here, and you do a certain task like so is a waste of time. The entire class could be replaced with a set of cheat sheets that list the whole process.
    What they are supposed to be teaching is how to use a computer. The person who only learned the specific steps without understanding what those steps mean is not going to really understand the finer points and be able to adapt to different software. Teach someone how to use the help menu, and they can find out for themselves how to do things that were not covered in the class. And if the teachers can't do the same, they need to spend the money on better teachers instead of new hardware and software.
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  21. Re:Kind of Misleading by fm6 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Your graduate studies and my own unschooled intuitions and prejudices seem to have led us both to the same place: an impatience with people who don't grasp the difference between "education" and "training". The one gives you general mental skills that serve you in a variety of situations; the other just teaches you how to perform various tasks. Education is always useful, even in situations you haven't specifically prepared for; training is just useful for the specific situation.

    I know a lot of people are considered "computer literate" but are really completely out of their depth if they have to deal with something unusual. They have "training" in how to write a letter or print an envelope, but give them a word processor document with some weird formating and they have no idea what to do.

    Serious computer education gets away from "how to do stuff" and gets you thinking about "how stuff works." It teaches you to think about the tech you're using, so you don't get lost the moment you wander off the beaten path. You could actually teach that stuff using a standard Microsoft config (one could learn a lot about how software works by fiddling with Word and Excel macros) but FOSS configurations are better because they're more "hackable".

    Nowadays people associate "hacking" with penetrating computer security. (There are still a few linguistically ignorant folks who insist that the "correct" word for this activity is "cracker", but we can safely ignore them.) Hacking is actually a broader range of activities where you fiddle with technology in order to understand it better. Hackers like to say that they're making the tech "work better" (and sometimes they are), but that's just an excuse for intellectual curiosity.

    Where Microsoft products expose a few macro engines and APIs, FOSS systems exposes everything. That's why FOSS is popular with technogeeks (who like to know how everything works) and unpopular with the "computer literate" who are afraid their brains will explode if they learn too much.

    Kids aren't afraid their brains will explode. But they are terrified of boredom. So they're prime candidates for a computer education that requires thinking skills, as opposed to "job skills".