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DARPA Testing Numenta's Brain Tech

lousyd writes "CNN Money reports that DARPA and the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency have given $4.9 million to Lockheed Martin to develop an image recognition system that will be used to scan satellite images and photographs for familiar objects. Called Object Recognition via Brain-Inspired Technology (ORBIT), the system will fuse commercial airborne EO and LIDAR sensor data into a three-dimensional, photo-realistic model of the landscape. The brains of the system, so to speak, will be Numenta's Hierarchical Temporal Memory technology, modeled on the technology growing inside human heads. The system is expected to increase image analysts' productivity by 100 times."

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  1. Good a place as any.. by QuantumG · · Score: 1

    to start SkyNet.

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  2. So couldn't we save the $4.9 Million by kcbanner · · Score: 1

    ...and just get someone to fly around in a jet doing this? Last time I checked the average person had a brain...why do we need to spend so much cash to make a new one!

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    1. Re:So couldn't we save the $4.9 Million by Fizzl · · Score: 1

      They can probably build a more accessible interface for the image analysts to this system than to your average jet fighter pilot.

    2. Re:So couldn't we save the $4.9 Million by kcbanner · · Score: 1

      Whoopsie!

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    3. Re:So couldn't we save the $4.9 Million by UncleTogie · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ...and just get someone to fly around in a jet doing this?

      Might want to check the price of a new long-range jet, the fuel to run it, and the pilot's salary.

      Last time I checked the average person had a brain...

      ...

      Either you haven't checked in a while, or you live in Akademgorodok...

      why do we need to spend so much cash to make a new one!

      Repeat after me.... "Research and Development is a good thing!"

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    4. Re:So couldn't we save the $4.9 Million by kcbanner · · Score: 1

      Whoopsie! Forgot my

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    5. Re:So couldn't we save the $4.9 Million by Gigaflynn · · Score: 1
      because Jets are expensive

      they get shot down more than satelittes

      and because this is the american military we're talking about

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    6. Re:So couldn't we save the $4.9 Million by TemporalBeing · · Score: 1

      ...and just get someone to fly around in a jet doing this? Last time I checked the average person had a brain...why do we need to spend so much cash to make a new one!
      Problems:
      • A single "jet" alone costs more than $4.9 million, let alone one that would operate at the necessary altitude and speeds required. (What, you don't think certain countries wouldn't want to shoot 'em down?)
      • You still have to pay for the salary of pilots to fly the plane, their training, the salaries of the maintenance people, their training, and the maintenance of the craft itself. This is also likely to cost more than $4.9 million alone - even possibly on a yearly basis.
      • You'd also likely need more than one aircraft - so take the costs of the previous bullets and multiply by the number of required aircraft.
      You don't have to factor in the analysts as they will essentially be the same regardless, though you would likely need more analysts for your proposed method than the method proposed by the article. And yes - even with the method proposed by the article you would still have maintenance of the system proposed - what that would cost, I don't know, but not likely more than the maintenance of the aircraft-based equivalent.
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    7. Re:So couldn't we save the $4.9 Million by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >> Either you haven't checked in a while, or you live in Akademgorodok...

      I thought it was called Eureka. Now I know. And knowing is half the battle. Go Joe.

  3. TFA doesn't do a good job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Through all the market-speak, are they spending this money on essentially (well trained, possibly overtrained) neural network models? Or is there something more to this besides 20 year old technology packaged for the military?

    1. Re:TFA doesn't do a good job by kcbanner · · Score: 1

      I wrote a paper on NN image recognition using SIFT algos...where can I host the paper where it won't get /. :P

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    2. Re:TFA doesn't do a good job by buswolley · · Score: 1

      Copy and Paste it into your post. Easy.

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    3. Re:TFA doesn't do a good job by tepples · · Score: 1

      I wrote a paper on NN image recognition using SIFT algos...where can I host the paper where it won't get /. :P Is it the kind of paper that arXiv wants?
  4. porn detector by dwater · · Score: 1

    it doesn't half sound like some kind of fancy porn detector...

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    1. Re:porn detector by commlinx · · Score: 1

      it doesn't half sound like some kind of fancy porn detector...
      You're not wrong, I live in Tasmania and wondered why all these extra spy satellites were hanging about, it appears we've been identified as a map o' Tassie (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=map+o'+Tassie)
  5. Good hunting by HW_Hack · · Score: 0

    This should come in handy when we're searching for the last glaciers in decade or two

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  6. Not really new.. by wanax · · Score: 3, Informative

    While loaded with buzzwords, this really involves nothing that's really new. The HTM is just a rehash of Adaptive Resonance Theory
    And applications like this aren't exactly new (this link downloads a .ps.gz file).

    Although it is certainly a major engineering challenge to get this type of classification to work over multiple modalities of data in any coherent way, as far as I can tell this project doesn't represent any breakthrough in approach or capability.

    1. Re:Not really new.. by QuantumG · · Score: 1

      Hmm, engineer who's book I've read, or random guy on Slashdot.. which should I believe. Such a hard decision.

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    2. Re:Not really new.. by timeOday · · Score: 1

      My question is why they would commit to a single algorithm in the first place? Most of the work for a system like this is in the data gathering, manipulation, and (perhaps most of all) user interface. The recognition algorithm itself will probably constitute 0.001% of the code. It's hard to believe they wouldn't make it modular and experiment with some different algorithms.

    3. Re:Not really new.. by wanax · · Score: 1

      The idea of algorithms like this, which are supervised learning systems, is that you train them to recognize 'hidden statistics.' These tend to be things that people have little trouble recognizing (eg. faces), but that we haven't been able to describe analytically for computers. So, you're certainly right that the main job of the programmer is to choose an effective algorithm, and then train it on the available data. It turns out, though, that there are an essentially unlimited number of unique and distinct supervised learning systems available the test.

      So the most important task in setting up an Artificial Neural Network (ANN) like this grant is attempting, is to pick the class of learning systems that perform best on the data to explore. This generally can't be done to any optimum criteria until the system designer gains familiarity with the systems and dataset... so it winds up being a subjective judgment of the designer rather than a rigorous examination of the possibilities... or else this process winds up being recursive ;)

      In this case, it happens that clustering algorithms like ART or HTM have an excellent track record classifying satellite or radar based imaging.

    4. Re:Not really new.. by FleaPlus · · Score: 1

      While loaded with buzzwords, this really involves nothing that's really new.

      Yeah, I haven't looked at it too intensively myself yet, but the impression I get is that most/all what Hawkins proposed has been proposed in the past. He basically took what was done in the past and made it much more accessible, which is great and all, but he really should've cited more of the prior work by others (or been more aware of it). Besides Grossberg, I think there's also quite a bit of similarity with the work of Rao & Ballard (1999) and Lee & Mumford (2003).

      Still, I credit Hawkins quite a bit for making the general public much more aware of this sort of modeling.

    5. Re:Not really new.. by sh3l1 · · Score: 1

      While loaded with buzzwords, this really involves nothing that's really new. The HTM is just a rehash of Adaptive Resonance Theory And applications like this aren't exactly new (this link downloads a .ps.gz file).
      I found the article very proactive, and dynamic. What about you guys?
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    6. Re:Not really new.. by theodicey · · Score: 1

      Well, Steve Grossberg has always believed that every discovery in neural networks and AI is isomorphic to Adaptive Resonance Theory. That's why he never needs to cite anyone except himself!

      It's true that ART was an early unsupervised learning model, and it's true that some of its innovations were rediscovered later by others. But by now there's a lot going on in the field that has no real connection with ART.

      I'm not a fan of Numenta, BTW -- I think Hawkins should get back to doing what he does well and build me a new Treo.

    7. Re:Not really new.. by Roxton · · Score: 1

      This generally can't be done to any optimum criteria until the system designer gains familiarity with the systems and dataset... so it winds up being a subjective judgment of the designer rather than a rigorous examination of the possibilities... or else this process winds up being recursive ;)

      Heh, that one left me chuckling on the way to work. Thanks, N.
  7. Yes its is! by Prysorra · · Score: 1

    Like any human brain, it seems mesmerized by the Space Needle and of course the British Penis building.

  8. Productivity? by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 0

    Am I the only one wondering about the 100X productivity boost? I don't see it. Rather than using current technology to photograph and map a certain area, say the European Alps, the workers now have to add several input streams and correlate them in 3D. For the people actually producing maps today, this sounds like it will take much longer than before to produce a final product. I don't think it takes all that long to make a 2D map from a collection of 2D images.

    Up to now, the hard parts are ensuring consistancy in the initial images and blending lines between separate images. With this process it involves calculating heights of mountains, depths of river valleys, and even water and ice features as well. I doubt the computers will do this as some magic algorithm, it will be human map-makers performing the exhaustive tasks. The computers will just be there to give them more data and 'guesstimate' what it will look like.

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    1. Re:Productivity? by vtcodger · · Score: 1
      No you're not the only one wondering about that asserted 10000% productivity boost claim. Given that this is funded by DARPA, it's a safe bet that they are primarily interested in intelligence analysis rather than mapping. (The D in DARPA stands for 'Defense' which is post-WWII newspeak for 'War').

      Yes, having a computer scan for and actually find tanks, aircraft, missile silos, and the like would be useful. Especially those that turn up in unexpected places. There's a lot of planet here and I assume that most of it is rarely if even scanned for military hardware because there aren't the resources to do that. But intelligence analysts do a lot of things. This might tell them that some African microstate is preparing to send both tanks and the airplane into combat against a neighbor. But it's unlikely to help much in the hunt for Osama bin Laden or in assessing how much of Afghanistan is planted in poppies this year.

      It's an interesting idea, and if it works, it probably will make the life of intelligence analysts easier. But 100x? Sounds like hyperbole to me. One wonders how much of the rest of the article is similarly inflated.

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  9. Good bye privacy... by blahplusplus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yep, I knew it. These guys want to know everything, I can just imagine what kind of black-deals they can cut with major corporations for competitive advantage, using the data being fed by these satellites to determine patterns in human behaviour and using that for strategic investment. And that is only the tip of the iceberg...

    Tinfoil hat you say? One only has to look at history, Alexander thought himself a god (or wanted to be one) and man is obsessed with improving his power to dominate and control both peaceful and hostile populaces, the truth of the matter is, why let the future happen to you when you can start to predict it, and thereby shape it?

    That is what the power mongers of this world want, is some modicum of ability to guide and shape history in their favor. And if you were at the top, among competitors that may beat you to it... you'd want it too.

    1. Re:Good bye privacy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I take it you would argue that if such humanist icons as e.g. Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro could find a use for this technology (and they could easily afford it), they would still refuse to use it on moral grounds?

      Or perhaps they would, with the greatest moral reticence, see themselves unfortunately and painfully forced to use it where absolutely required by the activities of their enemies?

  10. URGENT by QuantumG · · Score: 3, Informative

    Urban Reasoning and Geospatial Exploitation Technology (URGENT)

    The Urban Reasoning and Geospatial Exploitation Technology (URGENT) program is will develop a 3D urban object recognition and exploitation system that enables advanced mission planning and situation analysis capabilities for the warfighter operating in urban environments.

    The recognition of targets in urban environments poses unique operational challenges for the warfighter. Historically, target recognition has focused on conventional military objects, with particular emphasis on military vehicles such as tanks and armored personnel carriers. In many cases, these threats exhibit unique signatures and are relatively geographically isolated from densely populated areas. The same cannot be said of today's asymmetric threats, which are embedded in urban areas, thereby forcing U.S. Forces to engage enemy combatants in cities with large civilian populations. Under these conditions, even the most common urban objects can have tactical significance: trash cans can contain improvised explosive devices, doors can conceal snipers, jersey barriers can block troop ingress, roof tops can become landing zones, and so on. Today's urban missions involve analyzing a multitude of urban objects in the area of regard. As military operations in urban regions have grown, the need to identify urban objects has become an important requirement for the military. Understanding the locations, shapes, and classifications of objects is needed for a broad range of pressing urban mission planning analytical queries (e.g., finding all roof top landing zones on three story buildings clear of vertical obstructions and verifying ingress routes with maximum cover for ground troops). In addition, it will enable automated time-sensitive situation analysis (e.g., alerting for vehicles found on a road shoulder after dark and estimating damage to a building exterior after an explosion) that will make a significant positive impact on urban operations.

    Phase 1 of the URGENT program is developing techniques for the rapid exploitation of EO and LIDAR sensor data at the city scale to recognize urban objects down to the soldier scale. URGENT is applying image processing technology to geospatially registered 2D/3D data collected from airborne and terrestrial sources, yielding precise annotations for the objects in an urban area.

    Phase 2 of the URGENT program will develop a 3D reasoning engine to query over object shapes, locations, and classifications for rapid urban mission planning, mission rehearsal, and situation analysis. Phase 3 will focus on the integration and transition of the URGENT system to the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA).

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    1. Re:URGENT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yo NGA that shit be URGENT!

  11. Not really.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't want SkyNet. I just want a friend to talk to...

  12. No need to believe... by wanax · · Score: 3, Informative

    The good news is that this is all math! There's no need to believe anything one way or another! Sorta exciting huh? You can go and examine all the ART algorithms (I linked wikipedia because it has the PDFs linked.. did you notice? But here's Grossberg's homepage, just in case), and you can go read about HTM. According to Hawkins, HTM has some magical, er I mean, proprietary, component that separates it from ART. I've seen Hawkins speak... in fact, I saw him speak at BU with Steve Grossberg in the audience. He amused the audience by showing a demo that was completely indistinguishable from an ART1 implementation that takes about half an hour to program, and most of the people present had done themselves.

    He then failed to answer any substantive questions (including Steve asking him how his model differed from ART), referring us all to online videos of his lectures. I personally asked about how he could reconcile this article with his predictions.. which assume a cortical hierarchy based on 'distance' (in synapses) from primary sensory cortices, rather than examining the relative lamination of various cortices. I notice since then the wikipedia article "On Intelligence" has had its 'experimental prediction' claims toned down quite a bit.

    As it happens in terms of books though, Grossberg has written several and has a ton of peer reviewed articles on this very subject. Hawkins to my knowledge doesn't have a single peer-reviewed article on HTM or anything related.

    1. Re:No need to believe... by FluxIntegrator · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I've studied both ART algorithms and HTMs and I cannot see how you can make a comparison, they are two completely different algorithms. A simple ART relies on *resonance* (hence it is called Adaptive *Resonance* Theory) between two only to classify the input. There is no resonance in HTMs, they are only feed forward classifiers. Furthermore, HTMs are hierarchical, the general ART algorithm is not hierarchical. In addition, HTMs train on sequences over time, the general ART algorithm trains on a set of static input patterns. Now, if you are refering to specific implementations of the ART algorithm, that is completely different, but you cannot compare HTMs with the general ART algorithm. Furthermore, HTMs or the latest flavor of multi-resolution ART algorithm, is not the issue. They both work *incredibly* well, and they are both fully capable of solving the general Artificial Intelligence problem. It is now just a matter of computer power.

  13. research vs. Jeff Hawkins by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    "He who appeals to authority when there is a difference of opinion works with his memory rather than his reason."

    Please consider this post about Jeff Hawkins' history of navel-gazing idiocy in the field of neural networks.

    You worship engineers? Why this one in any case? Even if he is a good engineer, that doesn't make him a good scientist (incidentally, he's not). Maybe you're not an expert in neural networks and are deferring to someone who is, at least plausibly, an expert. But you just illustrated that you're no better a thinker than the people you probably decry day-in, day-out; you're just one of their number who reads slashdot and gets an undeserved superiority complex. Did you even consider that "some guy on slashdot" provided a link to an established area of theory that is (if you investigated even a bit) AT LEAST similar to Hawkins' stuff?

    Jeff Hawkins is not even noteworthy in the fields of neural networks or AI in general. He's got a lot of bluster and a lot of money though, and he's using that money to get the popular (in geek circles) press gain the "prestige" that can only be bought through useful, novel research in academia. He's not an expert, and he's probably a charlatan for claiming to be a cutting-edge researcher merely commercializing "his" (ahem) "new" (ahem) breakthroughs.

    His disingenuous pretense is what gets me about him. Your unthinking deference to "what you read in some book" is what gets me. Please, if you're interested in neural nets (you seem to be), read some of the cornerstones in the field, read the academic literature, and stay away from Numenta and Hawkins.

    1. Re:research vs. Jeff Hawkins by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 1

      Nice screed.

      Um... I notice that neither of you have actually posted any analysis or criticism of his work.

      Would either of you, by any chance, like to say something about his theories?

      Oh, and BTW: that wikipedia article you linked to appears at first reading to be nothing like Jeff's proposal.

      In the face of all this Ad Hominem, skepticism is in fact reasonable.

    2. Re:research vs. Jeff Hawkins by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      HTMs aren't nearly as new as Hawkins would have you believe. The core concept was was devised by Hinton and Dayan in 1995. http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/268/5214/1158 If you read through the pdf's on Numenta's site, they actually say explicitly that HTMs are 'like' a Helmholtz machine.

      The idea of a Wake-Sleep model (AKA Helmholtz machine) where recognized input states are run through a network and then a generative fantasy state created. The fantasy is compared to the input and the NN weights minimized. An HTM does the same thing, but the input data comes in as changes in time. I'm sure someone had applied a Helmholtz machine like that before, but they didn't give it a fancy name, write two books and make a whole 'Neuroscience Institute' about it.

      I think that any research or money put in this field (DARPA has money) is a good thing even some people aren't being given their due credit. Hawkins is actually applying very hardcore theoretical computer science. Even if he's not a scientist himself, that still puts him one step above code monkey.

  14. LIDAR rocks by d474 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Feature extraction, such as buildings and trees is already being done. In fact, the dot clouds produced by LIDAR provide enough information about trees that some research is focusing on ways to automate the identification of species of individual trees, and replicating that across an entire forest. But I digress... I, for one, welcome our Numenta powered, LIDAR scanning, ORBIT-Lords.

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    1. Re:LIDAR rocks by Jon+Abbott · · Score: 1

      I, for one, welcome our Numenta powered, LIDAR scanning, ORBIT-Lords. LIDAR is pretty much my favorite. It's like laser light and radar mixed... bred for its skills in magic.
  15. topicmilitary.png by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was wondering what the helmet icon was about, but then I realised this is DAAAAARPA.

  16. You shouldn't count him out quite so handily by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 1
    Other programs are as good as Jeff's at recognizing things? Show me a program that can be trained on an arbitrary set of images, and then make accurate recognitions from data which has been degraded in various ways. Basically, a CAPTCHA reader which doesn't know beforehand what the letters in the alphabet look like.

    Jeff has proposed a theory of how the cerebral cortex works, which is not in itself unusual. There's lots of people who have proposed outlandish solutions to the various problems posed by AI. They're usually labelled crackpots.

    Jeff's proposal is different in that he has actual working code based on his theories which do a pretty good job of recognizing things. And he bases his theories on his interpretation of how the cortex actually works - from neuropsychology studies. Not from suppositions founded on math and creative thinking.

    In my opinion, Jeff's stuff is correct but incomplete. His software makes a great recognizer, but the human brain contains other parts that his software doesn't address. His software has no provisions for goal seeking, for instance (the reticular activation system), or attaching an "emotion" to a memory as a way of indicating the advisability of repeating it (hippocampus, perhaps).

    His system has the capability to predict the future outcome of current actions, but no method of rooting around in the various possible outcomes in order to choose a course of action which is beneficial to the organism's goals. It can't think ahead, or even identify the need to.

    His work is also unclear about how the system generates outputs. Having chosen a course of action, speaking a thought perhaps, there is no clear description of how the system "unrecognizes" the goal into its base output components - the speaking or writing motions which would cause the output to be rendered.

    His work is alluring in that it seems to reflect current models of brain physiology and function, and even anecdotally with my own inner workings and those of other people.

    You shouldn't count him out with such a small wave of the hand. Certainly not without more direct reasoning, comparison, or critique.

  17. Brian Inspired? by supersnail · · Score: 2, Insightful

    .... these being the brains that get abducted by aliens, and see images of the virgin mary in slices of toast?

    Good luck guys.

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    1. Re:Brian Inspired? by denzacar · · Score: 0

      That would be Life of Brian inspired then?

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  18. Definitely on the lit... by wanax · · Score: 1

    You are totally correct on the literature.. I was posting quickly ;) Rao & Ballard in particular I think influence Hawkins works (not to mention that Rao was one of the people who convinced me to go into neuroscience.. but I digress). The problem with Lee & Mumford is that it's now been known for quite a while that V1 receptive fields are not static, but dynamic in really cool ways.. Check out Ohzawa's videos for example.

  19. I, for one, by MPAB · · Score: 1

    welcome our new ORBIT see-it-all overlords.

  20. how ironic by yoprst · · Score: 1

    just a few hours after I wiped out Numenta's software from my HDD

  21. I don't remember seeing that icon before by jollyreaper · · Score: 1

    Anyone else think for a moment that Shrub got his own Slashdot topic or just us Doonesbury fans?

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  22. That's what you think... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    [...] I wiped out Numenta's software from my HDD

    According to TFS:

    The brains of the system [...] will be [...] modeled on the technology growing inside human heads.

    So, dude... the technology is growing inside your head now.

    Been nice knowing you.

  23. Inside heads? by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) · · Score: 1
    > modeled on the technology growing inside human heads

    Last I checked, there wasn't any technology growing inside my head. Am I living in the wrong 2007 or something?

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  24. Pointless waste of money by moosesocks · · Score: 1

    What exactly is the point of all this?

    Although the concept of using LIDAR to create an extremely detailed topographical map is certainly a neat (and useful) thing to do -- military and non-military applications alike, I question exactly how the AI engine is going to come into play.

    This sort of system would make sense if you were scanning for subs and stealth aircraft from space -- the sort of thing that has a regular shape. But as to our current military situation, how the heck are you going to correctly deduce the presence if an IED? An IED is exactly that -- improvised. There's no standard model that can easily be spotted in a photograph. It doesn't even need to be particularly large or conspicuous to cause some serious harm.

    Couldn't you also fool the system by simply throwing a tarp over whatever it is you're trying to hide? If you wanted to hide some sort of armored vehicle, couldn't the system be easily defeated by covering it in camo-netting? It'd look like a shrubbery when viewed vertically.

    The way we fight wars is completely different than 60 years ago. Any power with a large, modern, and organized military able to fight a "conventional" war already has nukes. Likewise, as our progress in Iraq is currently demonstrating, a conventional military performs miserably against guerilla tactics (throwback to the American Revolution?). Mind you, there were all sorts of other mistakes made with Iraq that could have potentially prevented this sort of warfare from erupting (the Powell Doctrine comes to mind), but the fact is that we're now forced to deal with it, and when the people you're trying to protect are also the ones trying to kill you, your entire military strategy is utterly useless.

    All in all, this sounds like a very expensive solution looking for a problem. I appreciate the research done by DARPA, but this is a waste of their time.

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  25. cool darpa by gsmith78 · · Score: 1

    way to go darpa!

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