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Oracle's $6.7 Billion Bid for BEA Turned Down
andy1307 writes to tell us that according to the Mercury News, Oracle has made an unsolicited bid to buy BEA Systems for about $6.7 billion. BEA confirmed that it rejected the $17 a share bid as too low. "BEA told Phillips that its board of directors believes BEA 'is worth substantially more to Oracle, to others and, importantly, to our shareholders than the price indicated in your letter.' Oracle's aggressive bid may be an attempt to pre-empt an acquisition by others, Finley said. Those named in the past as potential suitors include IBM, the German software company SAP AG and Hewlett-Packard. Trip Chowdhry of Global Equity Research said he expects a counterbid from SAP, which he said needs BEA to survive. 'If they don't get BEA, probably in two years SAP will be on the block to sell itself,' Chowdhry predicted. Oracle needs to keep BEA out of competitors' hands, he said. Chowdhry said the offer currently 'is not right. Probably at $21 the deal will get done.'"
BEA told Phillips that its board of directors believes BEA 'is worth substantially more to Oracle, to others and, importantly, to our shareholders than the price indicated in your letter.'
I agree. I mean, Bea was a total powerhouse in Golden Girls.
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Oracle buy one of the world's major munitions manufacturers... well, do you want to argue about which is the best database with people who manufacture JSFs and Typhoons? No? Me neither...
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I work with BEA products, namely Weblogic and JRockit. Neither impress me. Weblogic is constantly failing to hand out connections (which is it's primary job) and the stack traces JRockit produces are formatted differently from those of Sun's JVM (which prevents my IDE from turning them into clickable hotlinks that take me to the lines of offending code). FSM knows why they made them different. Oh and the line numbers in your stack trace will be wrong unless you turn off optimization - which is the the whole point of using JRockit. (It's supposed to be faster than Sun's JVM - I've never seen proof).
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Perhaps I'm missing something. Can someone explain the great value in BEA? Why does SAP need this to survive? Does this guy own a million shares in BEAS or does he know something I don't. My knowledge in this space is a little weak. I do know that my company ( I shouldn't say who, but our market cap is a lot higher than BEAS ) very happily dumped Weblogic for jBoss. The transition went remarkably smoothly ( Disclaimer: We did have a jBoss god on staff ), and it saves us A LOT of money. We use it for hosting some very large, complicated, financial applications. Based on what I have seen, BEA sells a product that has become a commodity. It should no longer command a premium.
When the stock jumps well beyond the proposed acquisition price (to $18.82), that's a solid indication that the offer isn't going to cut it. One would normally expect a jump in price upon the announcement of a buyout offer at a premium, but typically the price will jump to some intermediate value between the previous market price and the offer price, in effect discounting for the chance that the deal will fall apart. Here the market response went well beyond that. Now the question is, will we see a bidding war? And with whom?
Wow, did the business press ever jump the gun on this one. The headline in the Wall St. Journal this morning was "Oracle Buys BEA".
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This is the first time BEA has seen $18/share since 2002 - they should look at any offer in this range as a gift from the gods. I remember talking to BEA sales reps back in 1999-2000, and man they were arrogant pricks! They were absolutely positive that you needed them waaaay worse than they needed you. Based on their latest moves, I'm not sure they've learned anything since then...
When Larry snagged PeopleSoft, they hurt BEA very badly - there are lots of PeopleSoft instances out there running under Weblogic, and if everyone else is like us, there is also a project in the queue to dump BEA and switch to the Oracle App Server on the next upgrade. Heck, why not? Why would I bother keeping a 3rd party app server in the mix when my ERP & DBMS are both Oracle, and Oracle can offer me OAS as part of a packaged deal? Combine that with the trend that intranet/extranet portal servers (like Plumtree/Aqualogic) are dead - either replaced by good web development/CMS or open source-based platforms - and IMHO BEA is in very deep dog doo.
Maybe their secret plan is to resurrect CORBA...
I'm not sure why Oracle wants BEA Systems, which appears to be antiquated and riddled with issues at this point. As other posters have indicated, switching to JBoss is not only successful it saves a ton of money. It was near a year ago Oracle bid for JBoss, losing out to Red Hat, then created their own "Unbreakable Linux" distribution based on Red Hat Linux. If they're willing to plunk down $6.8 billion for BEA Systems, Red Hat, at a market cap of $4.15 billion is not only a relative bargain but seems to be a no-brainer.
I don't have insider information. I am not a spokesperson at this time. This is just my opinion.
.NET rearing its head a lot. Sure, there is some JBoss (and a lot more Tomcat!). But, JBoss generates around $22 million annually. BEA makes that in under a week. And lest you say "But, this doesn't measure the free deployments!", we (and Oracle) don't care about those -- most companies aren't going to adopt an open source software solution for a production use without at least a support contract! Support , subscription, consulting, etc. is how RedHat is viable, it's also how BEA makes most of its revenue.
Basically, BEA wants to stay indepdenent, because it lets us do interesting things if we keep shareholders happy. And, by and large, we had been doing just that for the past 3 years, until licenses started to fall earlier this year. Wall Street forces a quarter by quarter mentality that's very hard to meet in a midsized company, in my opinion, given that the nature of "infrastructure software" involves longer sales cycles than when the dot-com bubble kept the "J2EE app server" purchase orders flowing in.
For those that suggest BEA's WebLogic is somehow commoditized and is the source of all of our woes, please understand a few things:
- BEA sells a *lot* more than an app server. Both Tuxedo and WebLogic Server have not been a sales focus for years at BEA, at least in North America -- Tux is still growing in Asia. The core products are still a cash cow, so we invest most of our R&D into it, but it doesn't account for the growth we've had since 2002. Most of that has been from Portal, Integration, and the new AquaLogic stuff.
- BEA contributes a lot to Java open source -- it's on the Eclipse board, it runs two Apache projects, is a major contributer and partner with Interface21 (the Spring guys), etc.
- Open source has never been BEA's biggest competitor. IBM and Oracle are. Really. The reason is that a major portion of BEA's sales focus is on enterprise license deals in the $million$ range. In the smaller deals, that's more likely where you see
- BEA's *new* license growth had fallen recently, but maintenance and overall revenue continues to rise. That means that, the *rate* in which our middleware is being acquired is slowing for us as of late, not that people have somehow stopped buying our stuff. So, yep, we could be doing a better job improving & selling what we have with AquaLogic and WebLogic, but it's not doom and gloom times here. Maybe it will be better under another company, I donno. Part of the problem is that pure "middleware" in general is a hard sell, as companies like TIBCO are also feeling right now -- SOA was the latest trend, with some reasonable enthusiasm and growth associated with it, but the real fortune was made in the peak of the dot-com boom, and it's hard to replicate that sort of hype. Oracle sells middleware along side applications, databases, security suites, etc., so it's not quite as hard to sell the business on the benefits.
- I have no idea what the article is talking about with regards to SAP. I think NetWeaver is a crap pile, but that doesn't mean they're dead if they don't buy us. They could go open source, or improve it.... People stick with SAP because they're locked in, not because NetWeaver is supposed to be better.
- Even if this deal doesn't go through, BEA is viable enough to stay independent. It has over $1B in the bank, it generates high free cash flow, and if we could get this stock options review over & done with, we could actually have some good information for the Street to price us properly. The question really is about the stock price -- whether the shareholders think we can raise it on our own, or someone else can do a better job of it.
Anyway, I've been pretty happy with the company for the past 3 years. Regardless of what happens, it's exciting times.
-Stu
I've been in the Java "Enterprise" domain for nearly ten years now. I first used BEA's weblogics back in 1999 (not even sure if it was owned by BEA yet). It was a good product, respected standards, and seemed to be development friendly. I considered it the best servlet engine at the time.
A couple of years ago I did a contract gig for a fortune 500 company that wanted to create corporate internal and external web portals. The company purchased the entire BEA middleware stack from Weblogics to Portal to Integration. The contract was several million dollars, with a support contract of several hundred thousand dollars a year. What a nightmare, we were working on weblogics 8.X using their workshop IDE (I called it Workswap), at the time you couldn't develop BEA Portal apps in any other IDE. The entire stack was buggy, and unreliable, including the IDE. However, workshop was pretty, and the BEA reps enjoyed demonstrating to the managers how simple it was to visually drop down a portlet, or a webservice, or whatever, and pow! Enterprise ready. The reality of course was much different. I decided then that BEA stopped being a developers company, and became a marketers company. Don't get me wrong, they are not the first, and will probably make bundles of money for a time, but it won't last.
These days I don't see any reason to purchase middle ware in the Java domain. You could make an argument for buying specialized tools or libraries, but not the big heavy applications servers with all the additional cruft that these companies make big money from. I see no advantage these products provide over what is freely available, well established, and standards based. The middle ware companies will preach support, and this strikes a chord with some managers, but it a complete fallacy. I've seen the valuable time of a company's senior developers wasted jumping through the hoops of a support process only to get some patch that works around a bug in the product. It would have taken much less time for the same developers to have been able to simple look at the source, and work the problem themselves. If BEA was smart they would sell now.
Sorry folks, we speak here about enterprise computing. Nobody really cares for open source until it is a proven product. And JBoss is not in this league. If you run several million transactions per day and each transaction makes you one EUR or more, there is nothing open source can give you:
BEA has a track record for enterprise products which in my personal experience is better than the one of IBM. IBM can get it right but it takes five years and several versions of their product. BEA can get introduce a new product in reasonable time and you do not have to wait three releases until it runs stable.
For customers, middleware is not that important anymore. We have all the middleware we could need. We are served, thanks.
Typically, customers look for business solutions. They look for standardized packages for their business domain. This is were SAP is getting stronger. (BTW, we had to tell SAP that we did not need middleware from their side...)
The whole SOA trend goes in this direction. To stop thinking about integration as technical plumbing but as connections with a business meaning. This is an arena where BEA has not a lot to offer. Their expertise is in plumbing (although they are very good at doing this).