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Bill Gates Denied Visa To Nigeria
Xight notes a Gizmodo story that is a few days old but hasn't gotten a lot of play. It seems that Nigeria recently denied Bill Gates a visa to travel there on his recent trip to Africa. The initial denial was "on the premise that they required proof he would not reside in Nigeria indefinitely, causing a strain on social services and a general nuisance for immigration." The comments to the post are worth reading too.
"Bill Gates" isn't exactly an unusual name, and if he didn't submit the right paperwork, of course it gets denied; even if you're an evil, monopolistic overlord billionaire, you still have to prove your identity and your financial status. It's either that, or use the backdoors in Windows to approve the paperwork himself, which I guess amounts to the same thing.
(I suspect that his notoriety is kind of a nuisance for other people with that name, who probably have to deal with "stop clowning around, what's your real name" a lot. It's probably kind of nice that Nigeria treats the name as just a name).
On the other hand, maybe they just correctly reasoned through that Gates was retiring in 2008, that Windows is having problems, and that his company definitely is being an economic nuisance to Nigeria already.
As an American who actually worked in Nigeria for awhile a few years ago, I can tell you what the problem may have very well been; he probably didn't give the proper cash "donations" to the right people.
I actually had some problems with getting in myself that my employer had specifically prepared me to deal with, giving me a supply of local cash and instructions to use it liberally to ease my travel process. 500 Naira in the right hands turned the officials from meddlesome and probing to very welcoming in record time.
Most citizens of Africa and indeed, any "developing" country, have very difficult times obtaining US visas. The presumption of US visa officers is that you are an intending immigrant unless you show otherwise, ie, guilty unless proven innocent. Even if one provides paperwork like financial statements, etc, they are often thought to be forged, even if not. It all boils down to a quick interview of a couple of minutes at most where the officer has to review all documents and make a snap decision.
I guess Nigeria just wanted to give the US a taste of its own medicine.
-- Samir Gupta, Ph. D. Head, New Technology Research Group, Nintendo Co. Ltd., Kyoto, Japan.
Precisely the problem. If they let him in, he'll find out it was all diverted to greedy government officials and cut them off!
HexaByte - he's a square and a half!
Yeah, I tend to get grilled heading across the border. The US border guards seem to think my plan is to sneak in, and live in the US permanently.
Seriously. Dude. I'm already a citizen of CANADA. Don't flatter yourselves.
(note for the humour-impaired: I actually did consider the move before 9/11 - but today?? It's hard not to laugh at the border when they accuse me of this.)
Endless arguments over trivial contradictions in books written by ignorant savages to explain thunder in the dark.
Was Nigeria using signed ints to indicate an applicant's financial status? I could see Bill's balance causing an overflow and appearing in the negatives leading to misinterpretation...
You mean that recently-discovered MS-Excel math bug? Boy, wouldn't that be ironic.
Table-ized A.I.
rejected. they don't have thousand answers prepared for everything. it is either A or B from the short list. Bill Gates is not just a billionaire. he is too billionaire that he is politically influencial too. There might have been some conflicts with government's policy with whatever Bill Gates wanted to do. whether it was intended for good or bad. For example, someone from first world country who is wealthy and has doctors degree with descent job applies for business visa for trivial job or unusual business in (any random country) one may be rejected. usually one needs visa to stay in one country for extensive time then normal.
in summary it may have been...
1. They thought the reason he visits Nigeria was way too uncommon and suspicious.
2. There were serious conflicts between Bill G and Nigerian government.
...if you were planning on expanding an African-named Linux distro on the African continent. Ubuntu comes to mind. But Ubuntu could become a total non-starter in Africa due to the efforts of the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation.
So maybe the Nigerians were just trying to nip that IT monoculture in the bud.
I'm in banking, used to work for the Professional Services division of one of the ratings agencies, and at that firm I was the only person willing to travel to Nigeria.
Even considering the people living there are doing the best they can with what they got - I have a lot of respect for the dignity of the ordinary Nigerians just getting on with life - it's a pretty crappy place.
My last two visits there THE POLICE tried to rob me, each time. And ordinary crime is far more pervasive and violent. Recently I read about an armed gang that raided a hotel lobby, fully knowing there would be business visitors checking in & out, with luggage, expensive laptops, mobile phones, cash and passports.
South and East of Lagos in the Niger Delta region, Europeans and Americans must travel with very heavy security, as abductions for ransom are appallingly common, to the point where we were issued cards with instructions for how our abductors could arrange payment. They aren't going to harm you, for many of the gangs operating there it's just a business! Killing is bad business. Returning live hostages yields cash.
Finally, there is a large North / South - Christian / Muslim divide, lots of tension that often erupts into violence.
If Bill Gates was really denied a visa to visit Nigeria, this was more than likely based on fears for his safety and how embarrassing it would be for Nigeria should one of the world's richest men be held for a Software Magnates ransom.
PS - While Africa's most populous country is hardly peaceful and not at all safe, I found it a strangely beautiful and compelling place.
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I went throught exactly the same thing when I went to Switzerland to study there for a year when I was a teen. They denied me a visa because they were afraid I'd stay there indefinitely. What I did was just stay there for two months at a time, then visit Germany for a few days to reset my turist-visa and come back. Every two weeks or so the immigration office would call my grandparents place (I was staying with them, they've been living there for like 30 years or something) and ask if we had any illegal aliens living in our house. They apparently still harrass my grandparents from time to time, even though both have changed their nationality to Swiss..
I kind of understand why this kind of thing would be a problem for a country like Switzerland, where in Zürich alone 20% of the population is of foreign descent, but how much of an incoming immigration problem does Nigeria really have?
`put a strain on already stretched social services in the Unites States while providing cheap untaxed labor to unscrupulous American businessmen.'
So let's get this straight: somehow these *illegal* immigrants manage to claim social security (which requires official proof of entitlement and is therefore unavailable to illegals) - *AND* they work for a living at famously low wages?
Hmm...
What makes it even funnier is that the son of the President of Nigeria, an overweight whiner named Dare Obasanjo, actualy works for Microsoft. Indeed, Billy boy consulted him before going to Nigeria to learn about the political climate there. (Nigeria is currently the most corrupt country in Africa).
Some background: Dare uses his father's political power as an excuse to act like an ass in the halls of the Borg - you may remember the amusing Flame War between him and Al Billings. (Al Billings is a whiner who can't get anything of value done (cf Netcaptor/Borgzilla/MSN Explorer), probably blames it on management, and unfortunately now does QA work at Firefox). Because he "isn't afraid to criticize" (ie shouts louder than everyone else) Dare Obasanjo has a reputation as being exactly the forward thinking kind of guy who might bring new revenue streams to Micro$oft, instead of what he actually is, a loudmouth frat boy type living off his father's name.
"No matter how lavishly overpaid, civil servants everywhere are convinced that they are horribly underpaid - but all public employees have larceny in their hearts or they wouldn't be feeding at the public through. These two facts are all you need - but be careful! - a public employee, having no self-respect, needs and demands a show of public respect." ("Friday", 1982)
If you have to pay, it must be the right amount, given in the right way. Corruption has its own protocol, which varies from place to place. I don't know, but in this case it could even be that Bill offered too much, too openly.
It seems to me that there is a trend these days for the wealthy and the famous to either adopt or invest in Africa. I wonder what is really behind the trend? Is the continent of Africa going to be a new powerhouse of economic growth? The only time is seems countries were ever interested in this continent which IS the cradle of mankind was to steal millions of human beings(most didn't survive the middle passage)and subject them to slavery.
What do financial forecasters see in Africa? Can it be made into an agricultural, oil, and technological power(s)? Is it considered a new(but old) frontier for corporate greed? Will it be safe from the approaching global nuclear war for rich people,LOL!? What gives? I implore anybody who does end up reading this to seriously think about it? Don't get trapped in silly comments mode or stupid racist remarks which tells all that you have a small mind aswell as ****. To put it shortly, respond with intelligent comments only. Is Africa a new opportunity?
I used to work at the Borg in a group near those honored by the presence of Mr Obasanjo over the years. I can confirm stories of his sense of entitlement etc. He is, however, an expert on XML and RSS. Just because you're an ass doesn't necessarily mean you're wrong. A good open source example is Theo de Raadt. However, Dare (and Theo, and others of their ilk) just don't respond well to criticism even if it's well-meant and constructive.
However, to suggest that the grandparent post was accurate is stupid. Billings worked on Netdocs, not NetCaptor (which is a crappy 3rd party browser). Sinfosky and the other bigshots at Office basically whooped Brian MacDonald's ass - and rightly so, it kept the Office revenue stream coming in for another decade. Too bad they didn't see Google Docs coming... oh well, we live in interesting times.
Also, Dare's daddy is the former president of Nigeria, he had to step down after he couldn't change the constitution to let him have a 3rd term in office. By all accounts he was a crap president not above the usual voting irregularities and corruption conspiracies but then we have the same over here, so what's the difference?
Oh, wow - this guy was my TA for CS2130 at Georgia Tech (his resume verifies that it's the same guy). He was the biggest ass-hat around, and single-handedly caused a lot of students to change majors that semester - they figured that if their future in the CS program was anything like dealing with that guy, it wasn't even worth it.
I didn't know he was the son of the Nigerian president, but I guess that helps explain it to an extent.
That's okay. Rarely do I get negative moderation anyway (I honestly don't recall the last time), so my Karma can handle it.
:) (even though I still think it was a crappy joke! ;) )
People often complain about the moderation system here, but overall I find it generally works quite well. There are the occasional times it falls down - like the guy calling me a "fucking idiot" getting modded "Informative" (wtf?) - but in general it works okay and I'm hardly going to lose any sleep over it.
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I used to work with a guy from Zambia, otherwise I would know nothing of Pan African politics, and he told me that Nigerians aren't trusted ANYWHERE in Africa. It's even reflected in the immigration policies of other countries. For example, if my friend from Zambia wanted to visit south africa. They'd give him a Visa good for six months, if a Nigerian wants to visit they'll give him a Visa for five days.
It's not just funny that they denied his Visa, it's a slap in the face that a country that is so universally distrusted.
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Customs guard and his supervisors should have been fired an made to reimburse all the costs. Sad that people are siding with criminal working in customs:(