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Pogue and the Bogusness of Advanced Gadget Reviews

Jordan Golson writes "New York Times gadget reviewer David Pogue got into an email back-and-forth with Valleywag after he was tricked into writing an article by advance misinformation on a pre-launch product. In theory, it's good for reviewers to test and write up products before release day, so consumers can make informed choices. In practice, Pogue and we wish the industry standard would change." Personally I think this is why blogs are great- if a product sells 100,000 units, it only takes a few dozen bloggers to encounter problems for the truth to come out. Of course, that doesn't help you if you want to pre-order.

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  1. Well Done, I say! by Gazzonyx · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I think it was awfully big of Pogue to openly admit the prices were wrong (despite it not being his fault that the company essentially lied to him), and address the issue, rather than submitting a correction that would get filed on the back page.


    He could have also put his hands in his pockets and whistled while rocking back and forth, and hoped no one noticed or said anything. It's rare to see journalists point out when they're wrong (I'm glaring at you, Dvorak!), without being at knife point.

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  2. Read with caution by MasterVidBoi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    if a product sells 100,000 units, it only takes a few dozen bloggers to encounter problems for the truth to come out

    And the corollary: It only takes a few anecdotes to tarnish a generally reliable product.

    1. Re:Read with caution by DerekLyons · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Precisely. I'm increasingly finding that I cannot rely on internet reviews. Few products are without some problems, and fewer still ship thousands (or tens of thousands) of units without a lemon or two.
       
      But on the 'net, it is those few who seem to drive the reputation of a product. (Bloggers are the worst of the lot - they tend to repeat each other and link in a snarled web, thus making the problem(s) appear even more widespread than they actually are.)

  3. not a "gadget" review by 1u3hr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The "gadget" is an IP-phone. The technical details are not novel. What was was the prices given. That's something that the company can change at any time. It's not like he was given a styrofoam mockup and gushed about its high quality, he cited prices given a week in advance of the launch. As he says, why on earth would they lie about that? It just makes them look sleazy and/or incompetent. So they suckered Pogue, but shot themselves in the foot.

  4. Consumer Reports only reports on buyable stuff by Animats · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Consumer Reports only reports on products they can buy at retail. They barely even talk to manufacturers. And not only do they make money, they're one of the very few magazines on the web people actually pay for.

    1. Re:Consumer Reports only reports on buyable stuff by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes they do. I canceled my subscription long ago when I got sick of their reviews of computers. They actually gave a higher score to a dell machine that had trial software, because it had trial software (crapware). And the buying guide had an incredible amount of grammatical, spelling and just plain strange errors. It repeated the same paragraph several times in a chapter. It only didn't fit in any of the spots. If I know they don't know what they are talkng about in my area of expertise, I can't trust them to tell me about anything I know less about.

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  5. He didn't do anything special. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I think it was awfully big of Pogue to openly admit the prices were wrong (despite it not being his fault that the company essentially lied to him), and address the issue, rather than submitting a correction that would get filed on the back page.

    Umm, dude, by admitting his mistake, he hasn't done anything special. He's just done what he should have done. So I don't see the need for praise.

    Just because many of his journalist colleagues fail to admit their misreporting, it doesn't mean that he's special. What it means is that he's doing his job somewhat properly, while the others are failing miserably. He's didn't do anything extraordinary. The standards are just so low that by admitting his mistake, he appears better than virtually all other journalists.

    1. Re:He didn't do anything special. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      There's something fundamentally sick about a society that thinks there's something wrong with pointing out where somebody did something right.

      No, there's something fundamentally sick about a society when doing your job inadequately and then admitting it when somebody points it out to everybody is considered praiseworthy.

  6. So where's the "email back and forth"? by skoda · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Pogue wrote an article with bogus info, then printed a retraction. ValleyWag wrote that Pogue got duped. And then ValleyWag wrote a searing article noting -- get this -- high level electronics reviewers have better access to help and hardware than the rest of us! Who knew? And sometimes their review hardware is cherry picked for advance features! Investigative journalism at its best.

    I can only assume the real interesting meat is in the unseen "back and forth" emails. Pity we can't read those. We might learn something interesting.

  7. The solution by causality · · Score: 2, Insightful

    to this is to maintain a "shitlist" of companies that have been known to use deceptive marketing practices, or other abuses such as Sony's rootkit, and make this list easily accessible (a well-known Web site) to anyone who is making a purchasing decision. At the very least, it could make the difference between a pre-order of an unreleased product versus waiting a couple of months to let someone else be the guinea pig -- that shiny new object isn't so shiny anymore if you know it might be a lemon. The idea isn't necessarily that you would never want to do business with a company on the list (although that's certainly possible), just that you would know that you were taking a risk and would take measures to minimize it, i.e. by not pre-ordering a product that has yet to be released or otherwise trusting the word of that company to be correct.

    This list should have a reasonable minimum amount of time before any company can be removed (no matter how quickly they improve) and would of course require that the deception/abuse be thoroughly documented, preferably from multiple sources (the standard for this should be high to avoid having the list abused).

    Just as government is supposed to fear its people and not the other way around, I believe that companies should fear losing customers instead of customers being in fear of getting a bad deal.

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    1. Re:The solution by jimicus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      to this is to maintain a "shitlist" of companies that have been known to use deceptive marketing practices, or other abuses such as Sony's rootkit,

      I started doing this.

      Unfortunately, following it religiously would have resulted in having to go back to using abacuses.

      Seriously:

      Dell: Didn't accept there was a battery problem with their laptops for months.
      Sony: Make spare parts deliberately difficult to obtain. (You ever tried buying a genuine Sony battery a few months after one of their laptops gets discontinued?)
      Apple: Have had faults with their laptops which they won't even admit exist.
      Fujitsu: Had the most almighty QA cockup with their hard drives, refused to even acknowledge there was a problem in the face of overwhelming evidence.
      IBM: Sold computer equipment to the Nazis, despite there being significant evidence of what it was being used for. At the time, no other company had the kind of technology IBM did so the rationale "we may as well, if we don't someone else will" did not apply.

    2. Re:The solution by ScrewMaster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Anyone operating such a site would be sued out of existence, unless they had phenomenal legal resources at their command. A couple dozen libel suits would take the starch out of any effort ... doesn't much matter if there's any merit to them. Frivolous lawsuits still require money for a defense.

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  8. No Cruise For Pogue! by meehawl · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Maybe the reason Pogue was so quick to retract is that he was unlikely to get any paid cruises or book deals from a 3rd-tier discount telephone operator. Unlike the moolah stemming from, for instance, a fellatrice-like relationship with Apple. Mossberg or Levy wouldn't have made that mistake - they're old enough to work the Apple line almost exclusively.

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  9. Consumers can't be fooled about prices by TechnicolourSquirrel · · Score: 3, Insightful

    After all, they are the ones who have to buy the thing. Therefore, ultimately, this particular incident is a complete non-issue. Dishonest advance information can possibly fool somebody into buying something that doesn't do what they think it does, but it can't fool anybody into paying a fake price, because guess who's signing the cheque? So, although people could be misled for a little while, ultimately nobody will ever be hurt by incident like this one (though it may reveal a larger communication problem).

  10. ... my dad was right. by Dzimas · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...it pays to wait. The technology industry is built around a culture of false urgency, and reviewers like Pogue - along with gadget-a-second blogs like Engadget and Gizmodo - just fuel the fire. It takes days or weeks to discover a new gadgets true strengths and weaknesses, and all that gets glossed over in the quest to be the first to write something meaningful.

    It's been going on for decades, though - I can vividly remember kids in the early 1980s bringing super-slim Sony Walkmans to school. They were several hundreds of dollars a pop. My dad simply put his foot down and uttered words of infinite wisdom: "Just wait a year." So I did. In the end, I purchased an Aiwa clone for a fraction of the cost... and my dad's eyes sparkled. His voice still echoes in the back of my head every time I wander lustfully through Best Buy, deftly avoiding the enormous plasma TVs and zillion dollar smartphones: 99% of the stuff we lust after is unnecessary. Don't let Pogue, Mossberg, Lam or The Great Steve try to tell you otherwise. ;)

  11. Never Pre-Order. by rssrss · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Of course, that doesn't help you if you want to pre-order."

    Never pre-order.

    Don't buy a pig in a poke.

    Remember the old computer industry maxim: "Pioneers get arrows in their backs; Settlers reap the harvests."

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  12. Yes, you're missing something. by Estanislao+Mart�nez · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's unconventional ("we and pogue" would be more idiomatic), but I don't think it's ungrammatical; note that this is a subject, not an object (hence "we", not "us"). Am I missing something?

    Yes, you're missing something. You're not testing your hypothesis against data from actual usage.

    Neither have I, but I'm going to guess:

    1. There will be a preference for the order that places the pronoun second, but plenty of examples of either order.
    2. Coordinated object pronouns (like in Pogue and us) will be far more frequent in subjects than coordinated subject pronouns (Pogue and we). This probably means that whatever folk theory you have about when to use subject pronouns and when to use object pronouns is false.
    3. Pogue and we, like that, with a subject pronoun, is hypercorrection. It's a construction that exists only because some people, who have fundamental misunderstandings about grammar, formulate rules that are clearly contradicted by the actual usage data, and then bully others into writing according to those rules.