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AOL Cutting 2000 Additional Jobs

butterwise writes "AOL plans to cut 2,000 jobs, or 20 percent of its worldwide workforce, as the Internet division focuses on advertising sales to make up for subscriber losses. 'The latest cuts will pare AOL's staff to 8,000, down from about 18,000 employees in 2001, when the company bought New-York based Time Warner for $124 billion. The combination led to $100 billion in losses and a more than 60 percent drop in Time Warner's stock as customers dropped dial-up Web access.'"

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  1. Re:People still use AOL? by moore.dustin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They do not know any better, it is as simple as that really. They either do now know other options exist, think the service is the same, or for many they are to lazy to break their ties with AOL thinking they will lose their email, aim, and other things AOL gives them.

    I have asked numerous people why they still have AOL over the years and almost all of them said that they have had it for so long that they are uncomfortable changing for whatever reason. AOL does a great job locking its customers into its systems and making it seem counter-intuitive to switch.

  2. AOL and TW Merged by RajivSLK · · Score: 4, Insightful

    AOL didn't buy Time Warner, they merged in what was widely consider one of the blunders of the "dot com era". A blunder for TW that is. It is also considered one the smartest things AOL CEO Steve Case ever did. Many people believe that he pulled the wool of Time Warner's eyes.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Warner

    1. Re:AOL and TW Merged by eln · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Case took his overinflated stock and bought a huge media company with it, and got himself a very nice golden parachute right before the bottom fell out of the tech sector. I don't expect to see him washing windshields on a street corner any time soon.

      AOL was a dialup company struggling to find its way in a world that was rapidly moving to broadband. The company's future was not nearly as bright as its past, and its stock would have plummeted even worse had it not managed to pick up a giant old media property before everything went to hell. Time Warner didn't kill AOL, it was already dying before TW got there. I think AOL's management recognized this, but TW's management didn't see it until it was too late, and they're the ones that got stuck trying to save a company that was circling the drain.

    2. Re:AOL and TW Merged by StikyPad · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I actually had AOL for two reasons. 1) Chat rooms and mail forwarding was faster and easier than usenet, finding FTP dumps, inane IRC rooms, and other "1337" activities. There were no really good news readers (and really still aren't, but fortunately there are decent web interfaces), FTPs would max out and/or go down faster than a Catholic schoolgirl at homecoming, and nobody wanted to DCC to a dialup connection. 2) Back when games required a healthy suspension of disbelief and a metric sh.. well.. a lot of imagination, there was Air Warrior, Legends of Kesmai, and Aliens Online. Of course when Kesmai opened up gamestorm.com, I dropped AOL faster than Angelina dropped pounds.

      Before that I had an affair with GEnie, and before that the precursor to AOL: Q-LINK. I still remember downloading SID files because my parents wouldn't let me listen to the "secular" radio.

      Unfortunately for AOL, there's not much of anything they can provide these days that the web can't do better, faster, and cheaper (to the end user at least) except, perhaps, to provide compatibility and stability issues (though IE is a close second). Multiplayer online games have long since ceased to be the domain of services with pay-per-hour play time, and the lockdown on chatrooms, e-mail, etc. alienated far more people than it enticed. Unless they can pull an Apple in revitalizing their image and creating a new business model, it seems unlikely that they will continue to exist for any significant amount of time.

  3. TW are Idiots and they Killed AOL. by Erris · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The death of dial up did not have to be the death of AOL. TW had all sorts of content it could have sold as a subscription to it's user base before they lost it all. Now they are scrambling and suing their fans to keep their media empire alive. More savvy competitors are cutting into their sales via the internet with no base at all. They expect the treats to draw customers.

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  4. Re:People still use AOL? by vux984 · · Score: 4, Insightful


    I have asked numerous people why they still have AOL over the years and almost all of them said that they have had it for so long that they are uncomfortable changing for whatever reason. AOL does a great job locking its customers into its systems and making it seem counter-intuitive to switch.

    don't blame AOL for customers being 'comfortable'.

    That's the same reason most people give for using Eudora or Pegasus mail clients. Its not that these companies/products have 'locked customers in' or made it counter intuitive to switch, its simply that people have gotten comfortable, and they don't perceive enough value in changing.

    (Not that there is anything wrong with Eudora or Pegasus. But most people using it aren't "choosing to use it", its simply the case that they've used it for so long its just what they use, it works, and they don't want any hassles.)

  5. Re:Obligatory: by TheGeneration · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I had a friend who worked for AOL. He had bad story after bad story. Apparently their biggest problem is that the execs in Virginia are in an AOL only universe and have no idea that Silicon Valley (not Virginia) sets the pace for the internet.

    I'm willing to bet every single person they lay off is a regular employee and not the management responsible for turning a one-time good service (circa 1996) into a cluster f*ck of bad UI design and pop-up ads.

    I recently used a 6 month free trial that came with my computer and only logged in twice in six months. It was so awful. Their core competency is their chat, yet it's antiquated and difficult to use. Instead of spending money on making their cheat more usable for the users they instead spent on "channels" and other "value" features that really have zero value to anybody but advertisers desperate to reach mindless idiots.

    In the end when I called to cancel my free trial at the end of the six months they converted me to a "free account." I still haven't logged in, even free AOL doesn't provide a value proposition that is worth accepting their free services. That's how bad their UI has gotten.

    Ultimately the responsibility for this cluster f*ck lays with the CEO of Time Warner. Long ago he should have fired all of the Virginia staff and opened more offices in the ultra competitive and internet-centric Silicon Valley. Out in Virginia they miss out on the buzz of what's new and coming, they miss out on the general savy of the entire software engineering and web design community in Silicon Valley. In Virginia the pool of GOOD web designers and engineers must be tiny.

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  6. The bubble burst 7 years ago... by bigdaddy25fb · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And we are still feeling repercussions from the burst...

  7. Re:People still use AOL? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Because you can't take your aol email account with you. We need email address portability! Gah thinking about that as an idea makes my head wanna plode.

  8. Re:I feel sorry for the canned individuals by nwbvt · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "I feel sorry for the canned individuals"

    Don't. I'm not trying to sound mean, but there is really no reason to feel sorry for them. They get 2 months of severance pay and get to get out before things really get bad (read, bankruptcy). Plus now that they are no longer working for AOL, maybe their neighbors will be willing to befriend them again. They are the lucky ones.

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  9. Re:People still use AOL? by westlake · · Score: 4, Insightful
    don't blame AOL for customers being 'comfortable'.

    AOL was among the first to profit from the discovery that the future of online services didn't lie with the Geek - and with a half-dozen or more arcane clients for the BBS, FTP, TELNET, USENET, IRC chat, etc.

    AOL pioneered flat monthly rates, automatic updates. There were perfectly intelligible reasons why users became comfortable with dial-up AOL and why they remain comfortable with portals like Yahoo now.