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First Details of Windows 7 Emerge

Some small but significant details of the next major release of Windows have emerged via a presentation at the University of Illinois by Microsoft engineer Eric Traut. His presentation focuses on an internal project called "MinWin," designed to optimize the Windows kernel to a minimum footprint, and for which will be the basis for the Windows 7 kernel.

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  1. Size matters by Skiron · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Windows kernel to a minimum footprint"

    It depends if you have size 24" feet (MS) or 8" feet like real normal OS's. No matter how big the foot, you can only reduce your footprint to the smallest size of the foot.

    So that, as far as I am concerned, is a nebulous comment intended to fool the press and others that still believe every MS 'press release' they spew out.

  2. Lesson in MS Counting by Prien715 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Apparently it goes:

    2, 3, 95, 98, ME, XP, Vista, 7!

    No wonder kids have so much trouble at math....

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    1. Re:Lesson in MS Counting by truthsearch · · Score: 5, Funny

      3 = 3 9x = 4 2k/xp = 5 vista = 6 7 = 7

      Nuff said.

      No, not really. That equation actually makes sense to you? Are you one of the Microsoft Excel developers?

    2. Re:Lesson in MS Counting by jkrise · · Score: 5, Funny

      2, 3, 95, 98, ME, XP, Vista, 7

      Oh... it's worse in Excel 2007;

      65533, 65534, 65535, 100000, 100000, 65538, 65539.. and so on!

      Maybe there's some nice pattern too?

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    3. Re:Lesson in MS Counting by magus_melchior · · Score: 4, Funny

      Apologies to fans of a certain British comedy group...

      "Me shalt thou not count, neither count thou 2, excepting that thou then proceed to 7. Vista is RIGHT OUT!"

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    4. Re:Lesson in MS Counting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      To see the number, you can type ver in a console
      True, someone with Vista please check to see if they are at version 6.66 yet.
    5. Re:Lesson in MS Counting by suv4x4 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Apparently it goes:

      2, 3, 95, 98, ME, XP, Vista, 7!


      I'm more curious what will Apple name their next major release, if ever.

      OSX, OSXI, OSXII, OSXIV...?

      Of course, once they reach 10.9, they have the option of pissing in the face of basic number representation and call the next version 10.10, then 10.11 ...

    6. Re:Lesson in MS Counting by Repton · · Score: 3, Funny

      Ok, it made sense to me, but I had to reread it 3 times. Let's try again, with formatting:

      1. Windows 1
      2. Windows 2
      3. Windows 3.x
      4. Windows 95, 98
      5. Windows 2000, Windows XP
      6. Windows Vista
      7. Windows 7

      No mention of Windows ME, but perhaps that's as it should be...

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    7. Re:Lesson in MS Counting by Sparky+McGruff · · Score: 3, Funny

      Microsoft Windows [Version 6.0.6000] is what I have on my machine. I'm not upgrading to 6.66 until after Halloween. This version is frightening enough.

    8. Re:Lesson in MS Counting by cheater512 · · Score: 3, Funny

      They used a beta of Excel 2009 to figure out the numbers.

    9. Re:Lesson in MS Counting by darthflo · · Score: 2, Funny

      Viri tend to be rather stable, fast and actually working. If you are claiming ME provided any of these criteria, you must be new here (or in Soviet Russia where Windows crashes you).

    10. Re:Lesson in MS Counting by clickclickdrone · · Score: 2, Funny

      >I'm more curious what will Apple name their next major release, if ever.
      OS-Xe (e for enhanced)
      Now say it - OS Sexy - geddit?

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    11. Re:Lesson in MS Counting by Daimanta · · Score: 4, Funny

      3 = 3 9x = 4 2k/xp = 5 vista = 6 7 = 7 9x = 4
      x = 4/9

      2k/xp = 5

      k = 1000

      2000 / xp = 5
      x = 4/9

      4500p = 5

      p = 1/900

      Windows == Solved!

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  3. Call me in 2012..... by edwardpickman · · Score: 4, Funny

    when its at least in beta.

    1. Re:Call me in 2012..... by istartedi · · Score: 4, Funny

      No thanks, I'll be waiting for Hurd to be production-ready.

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  4. This time will be different! by Wylfing · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's going to have a database file system! It's going to be secure! No more rebooting! It will have a really good command line!

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  5. Windows 7 preview by Kurt+Gray · · Score: 5, Funny

    You turn on the computer. You are greeted by an angelic chime that gets progressively louder until your speakers shake. You attempt to adjust the volume but it only gets louder still. A full screen Window icon ripples across the screen then all goes black. The product activation screen prompts you to enter your activation keys, printed on 27 pages of holographic alloy glue to the inside of the aluminum DVD case. For the next 3 hours you enter the activation key, taking breaks to use the bathroom, eat, and make phone calls.

    After entering the correct activation keys, a dialog appears prompting you to select your social login profile group. You have no idea what that is so you click "Other Networks" The next dialog says "Connecting to networks..." for the next 5 minutes. A message apears saying "New Hardware Found" but it can't find the driver. Another popup appears "No networks found". Then your desktop appears. The wallpaper is stunning. The Internet Explorer icon appears to majestically float above the screen. You click it. A message appears warning you that the Internet can harm your computer, do you want to continue? You click "Yes". You are prompted to enter your administrator key. This key is on the sticker on the inside of your PC case. You shutdown the PC, get a screwdriver, open the case, write down the 18 digit administrator code, put the case back together and reboot.

    After rebooting, blocking your ears during the chime assault, and oggling the amazing wallpaper, ignoring the "live folders server not found" error, you try Internet Explorer again. You dutifully enter the administrator key. You are asked if you want to save this key to your "universal keyring" You click OK. You are warned that the universal keyring is encrypted and your sending encrypted information. You click OK. After 3 minutes you get an error saying "No key server found" ... and so on...

    You never do get to see the Internet. But the wallpaper is amazing.

    1. Re:Windows 7 preview by Jugalator · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hmm, I'm now convinced Windows 7 is not its real codename, but it's actually called Project Zombo over at Redmond.

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  6. Re:that sounds good but.. by phantomfive · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is essentially exactly the same as Windows Vista except instead of removing features as they get close to the deadline, they've started out with all the features already removed. When you don't meet your expectations, lower the expectations.

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  7. Re:Good intentions by iocat · · Score: 3, Funny

    And this is a problem for readers of slashdot how? More work = more work.

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  8. Re:This is step one. by Joaz+Banbeck · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...then what would the diehards bitch about on slashdot? The editors, of course.
  9. I thought this headline was about by nickrout · · Score: 3, Funny

    gentoo's portage system being ported to windows... emerge outlook

    1. Re:I thought this headline was about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      USE="clippy" yay!

  10. Classic Oxymorons by DaveAtFraud · · Score: 3, Funny

    Jumbo shrimp
    Military intelligence
    A new classic
    Efficient bureaucracy
    Peace force
    ...
    MinWin

    Cheers,
    Dave

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  11. Awesome! by swillden · · Score: 2, Funny

    Honesty, and I'm not trolling here, but this looks pretty scary. This reminds me of driver-signing gone awry. I don't see the potential for open-source/free modules due to item #3. Arbitrary application, memory, CPU, and process limits are also concerning.

    That rocks! Windows 7 will finally provide that last push needed to rocket Linux into the mainstream!

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  12. Can it be like Star Trek? by CleverScreenName · · Score: 4, Funny

    Every odd Windows Version being good?

    1) Windows 3.1?
    2) Windows 95
    3) Windows 98
    4) Windows Me
    5) Windows XP
    6) Vista
    7) First Contact?

  13. Re:where are the details? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    As a matter of fact he does talk about it, yet he gives no details of Windows v7 past the ASCII boot screen. Did I miss something? Is that the big change? They save HDD space by using ASCII graphics?

    That IS Windows 7! It's the return of the CLI! Everything old is new again! Reviewers are already writing accolades for the new interface. It's been called "Bold" "Clean" and "Unobtrusive".

    The perfect OS for people new to computers, no longer is there a rash of icons to confuse them, the OS is "simple" for those not technically inclined.

    Enterprise customers love the lack of superfluous eye candy. Windows 7 screams "business" and "just the facts" and with a lack of translucency and 3D effects it runs much faster on businesses' hardware. Upgrade cycles can now be extended another 5 years and save millions in hardware costs by not having to buy higher end processors, memory, and GPUs to get basic work done.

    Gamers will also appreciate more of their system's horsepower being put to use on their favorite titles. "It's like playing Doom on DOS 6 again!" raved one user.

    Yup, Windows 7, it's not outdated, it's VINTAGE CHIC!
  14. OS X.X? by Chas · · Score: 4, Funny

    Where they trade out command line and GUI for a full emoticon-based interface.

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  15. Re:that sounds good but.. by Nossie · · Score: 2, Funny

    really? well I'm not a code jockey but I tainted myself reading the 2k source code and found a large amount of the utils across the board were licensed under BSD... but that's just my mileage

  16. The operating system family tree by renegadesx · · Score: 5, Funny

    OSX was loosly based on NeXT. It's kernel is Darwin which is based on NetBSD.

    Linux is loosly based on Minix only ditching the microkernel design and got support as the GNU kernel (another microkernel) was going nowhere.

    Minix and BSD are based on UNIX, anyone can make a UNIX System III derivative for free as the code is public domain. Just most of the code is obsolete so you are better off making a BSD or Linux derivative (or Minix 3 if you want a microkernel)

    So if you look at a family tree, Minix and Linux are brothers while OSX and Linux are more like cousins

    Windows is the annoying friend that spunges off you for handouts and crashes on your couch

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  17. Re:that sounds good but.. by miro+f · · Score: 5, Funny

    actually you'll find that conditional operators don't expand like that. The sentence is saying "the value of Linux != UNIX is not equal to OSX. In other words, (Linux != UNIX) != OSX or (true) != OSX.

    He is clearly attempting to say that UNIX is not true, whatever that means

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  18. Not Windows-2 by scsirob · · Score: 3, Funny

    Must be NT-based counting.

    0. CP/M
    1. VMS
    2. OS/2
    3. Windows-NT 3.1, 3.5, 3.51
    4. Windows-NT 4
    5. Windows 2000, Windows XP
    6. Windows Vista
    7. Windows 7
    8. Ubuntu Octal Overlord
    9. Plan-9
    10. OS-X

    Plenty of future, you see..

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    1. Re:Not Windows-2 by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 2, Funny

      I for one welcome our new Octal Overlords.

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  19. Nice try but you guys are all wrong by commodoresloat · · Score: 4, Funny

    The numbering system has nothing to do with this. Microsoft named it "7" in order to announce that they are finally catching up to MacOS's revolutionary System 7, from 1991. I for one can't wait for Windows to finally get "Balloon Help"!

  20. Microkernel? by G-News.ch · · Score: 2, Funny

    So, basically they're saying they want to go back to DOS roots for Windows 7, right? 640k is enough for everyone, after all. :)

  21. Re:Good intentions by adamofgreyskull · · Score: 3, Funny

    Trivial system requirements...like being able to copy 16,384 files without rebooting. :o)

  22. Re:Oh God... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Please actually watch the presentation and STFU. Please. PLEASE leave MinWin alone! PLEASE!
    How DARE anyone out there make fun of MinWin after all she's been through!
  23. Re:Oh God... by moosesocks · · Score: 2, Funny

    Oh God... I can't believe this actually made news. In. Such. A. Horribly. Skewed. Fashion. But this is /.


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  24. Re:Rinse, Repeat by GPL+Apostate · · Score: 2, Funny

    Somebody probably threw a chair at him when he was a small child.

    That, or he feels Microsoft is a good example of the root cause of a lot of the problems the world faces.

    Your psychobabble ridicule method follows the pattern pioneered by the Stalinists, by the way. Address your opponents like they're mentally unstable, and their angst is a psychological problem (Stalin took it further by institutionalizing them- you don't have that power at the moment.)

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  25. Only 7? by houghi · · Score: 2, Funny

    The next version of openSUSE will be 11. It will go to eleven!

    That means that the next version of openSUSE will be at least 4 better the Microsoft one. If the next version of Windows takes 7 years again, openSUSE will be at 14. So openSUSE will be TWICE as good.

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