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Standard Web Fonts 'Updated' In Vista

BladesP9 writes "Beginning with Vista, Microsoft has updated the standard Web Core Fonts that it has used since the late 1990s. 'With the release of Windows Vista, Microsoft has unleashed something quite new on the Web — the "C" fonts; Cambria, Calibri, Candara, Consolas, Constantia, and Corbel.' The article goes on to state that 'if you're a web designer and not using Vista then this download is mandatory since it will let you see your page as your Vista users see it.' The article includes a PDF document offering visual comparisons of the old and new fonts (pdf)."

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  1. Yawn by BladeMelbourne · · Score: 3, Informative

    We knew this last year. How is this "news that matters?"

  2. Isn't this old news?? by neo-mkrey · · Score: 4, Informative

    I could swear I read about these "new and improved" fonts a few months ago.

  3. Consolas rocks by mbadolato · · Score: 4, Informative

    The Consolas font is a phenomenal mono-spaced font, and I've been using it for a year or more. You can download it from MS for free but it's an exe file. Once installed though you could easily, say, move the TTF file over from your Windows virtual machine to your "real" system and have access to it there. :)

    1. Re:Consolas rocks by garbletext · · Score: 3, Informative

      If it's anything like the microsoft fonts used by msttcorefonts you can just treat the exe as a cab file and cabextract it.

      I agree that consolas is nice, but wtf is that gross Candara font? It has a faint stench of Comic Sans MS about it.

  4. Timeline? by stonecypher · · Score: 5, Informative

    Microsoft actually released these fonts with the last Office batch, and also allows you to download them freely from MSDN (just like the T series and the V series.) This all happened about 18 months ago. Thanks for noticing. (And, yes, people should download them, because Candara is just gorgeous.)

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  5. Ummm.... by Otter · · Score: 3, Informative
    The article...

    FYI, this seems to be the article in question.

  6. Consolas 1/l/I; 0/O by _xeno_ · · Score: 5, Informative

    Since their example didn't show it, and most tech types care, here's my take on Consolas's 1/l/I differentiation. Essentially, it's Courier New. The glyphs are practically identical. One has a sloping top, lowercase L has a flat top, and uppercase I has a bar across the top. Lucidia Console works almost the same way, except that a lowercase L has no bar on the bottom.

    Contrast with my personal favorite, BitStream Vera Sans Mono: one and uppercase I work the same way, but lowercase L is notably different. This is especially useful for languages like Java where a lowercase L at the end of a number is valid and marks it as a long.

    On the 0/O issue, Consolas goes with a line through the zero, Lucidia Console uses a slightly higher and narrower glyph compared with the uppercase O, and BitStream Vera Sans uses a dot in the middle.

    Over all, I still prefer BitStream Vera Sans Mono for my console font. Consolas is a big improvement over previous monospaced fonts available in Windows, but BitStream Vera Sans Mono is perfectly usable and, in my opinion at least, slightly better.

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    1. Re:Consolas 1/l/I; 0/O by maxume · · Score: 3, Informative

      Jeff Atwood, giant ad whore that he is, has a nice article on programming fonts:

      http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000969.html

      with screenshots showing the differentiation that you are talking about(as rendered on Vista, with Cleartype enabled).

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  7. Re:Nice by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 3, Informative

    Turns out these fonts need a little leg work to get hold of, if you aren't using Vista. This page explains how to get hold of them 'legally':

    http://labnol.blogspot.com/2007/03/download-windows-vista-fonts-legally.html

    Since the downloads are in .exe format, you will need to use something like Wine or Crossover, if you don't have access to a Windows PC.

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  8. Re:Nice by Traxxas · · Score: 3, Informative

    Truth. Consolas is my monofont everywhere. Its the best programming font I have ever found. The rest of the fonts though are quite meh.

  9. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 4, Informative

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  10. Re:Fonts are uncopyrightable by WillAdams · · Score: 4, Informative

    A typeface design is uncopyrightable, however the specific expression of a design as a digital font, _including_ the selection of curve points can be copyrighted.

    http://directory.serifmagazine.com/Ethics_and_Law/Copyright/judgement.php4

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  11. Re:Nice by SEMW · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'd like to see an example of them without antialiasing. I wouldn't, if I were you -- might damage your eyes permanently. But if you insist...

    Consolas with no antialiasing

    Painful, isn't it? All the new fonts are apparently designed and specially hinted to make use of Cleartype (Microsoft's antialiasing & subpixel rendering algorithm). So they look beautiful with Cleartype on, alright with non-cleartype greyscale antialiasing (example), and "Aah! My eyes! The googles, they do nothing!" with no antiaiasing.
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  12. Original author doesn't do CSS as well as you by vsync64 · · Score: 4, Informative

    there's no reason you shouldn't specify {font-family:calibri,arial,sans-serif}
    Yes, that's the correct way to do it. Too bad the article leaves the crucial generic font name off the end of the list:

    font-family: Constantia, "Palatino Linotype", "Book Antiqua", Palatino;
    I see this all the time from Web sites that want to offset something by placing it in a different typeface, so they put font-family: Arial; or so. Then I don't have Arial, the font-family declaration falls through, and it ends up as whatever serif font the rest of my body text is. Not the first time "designers" ignore both W3C recommendations ("Authors are encouraged to offer a generic font family as a last alternative, for improved robustness.") and simple common sense. But hey, all the world's a glossy brochure!
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  13. Re:Market Hold Consolidation? by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 4, Informative

    Postscript Type 1 still rules the roost.

    Erm... No, sorry. All of the big foundries now supply pretty much their entire collection in OpenType format, and several are moving towards only supplying new fonts in this format. If you're not aware of this, a little reading around the usual web typography forums will soon show you the direction things are moving in.

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  14. Command sequence by athloi · · Score: 3, Informative

    1. Download the PowerPointViewer.exe from the link in the article.
    http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=048DC840-14E1-467D-8DCA-19D2A8FD7485&displaylang=en
    2. Open a DOS window, go to where the PowerPointViewer.exe file is, and create a directory called test.
    3. Type the command "PowerPointViewer /extract:complete-path-to-test-folder"
    4. Using WinRAR, look into the CAB file and extract all font files.

    If you're too lazy to do that, try this link:

    http://technical-writing.dionysius.com/resources/vista-fonts.zip

    They look beautiful on my current monitor, and are a big improvement. All hail the new better standard.

  15. Re:Market Hold Consolidation? by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 3, Informative

    No fonts were removed in Vista. All the "Web core fonts" are still there, and so is Tahoma and other Win-specific fonts. They have only added the 7 new ones (the "C*" bunch, and Segoe UI). Segoe UI is the new default UI font instead of Tahoma (though this isn't consistent even in Windows system dialogs - some still use Tahoma, and some still use MS Sans Serif). Calibri is used as a default document font in Office 2007 applications. IE7 on Vista still uses Arial as a generic sans-serif font and Times New Roman as serif font, by default.