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Stallman Attacked by Ninjas

vivIsel writes "When RMS took the stage to address the Yale Political Union, Yale's venerable parliamentary debate society, it was already an unusual speech: instead of the jacket and tie customary there, he sported a T shirt, and no shoes. But then he was attacked by ninjas. Apparently some students took it into their head to duplicate an XKCD webcomic before a live audience — luckily, though, Stallman didn't resort to violence. Instead, he delivered an excellent speech about DRM."

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  1. Wow by Naelok · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is perhaps the greatest thing anyone has ever done, ever. Though it would've been better if they'd come down from the ceiling.

  2. Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    If Richard Stallman wants everything to be free, maybe he should create a whole bunch of decent stuff and give it away. Without license. Without license. Without license.

  3. Ninjas... by Tuoqui · · Score: 5, Funny

    But where were the pirates? Clearly someone has to defend RMS against the ninjas...

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  4. Yale Political Union web design by colourmyeyes · · Score: 5, Funny

    Apparently no one told web designers at Yale how to resize photos so they don't have to use a full size, 1.6 Meg picture that's scaled down in the HTML.

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  5. Re:In a perfect world... by HBI · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No, his purpose is to make it so all software has its source code available for modification. That's what he's here for. Think what you like of the guy, he's never veered from that purpose.

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  6. I see, I see, I get the picture ... by udippel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you ever go to the link pointed out (I know, we are in /., and RTFS is for weaklings only) ...
    Instead, he delivered an excellent speech about DRM
    you'll find a beautiful Minutes of the Debate in WORD.

    Richard, your message was lost !

    1. Re:I see, I see, I get the picture ... by Neoncow · · Score: 5, Funny

      Click.

      Open in Microsoft Word.

      Plink!

      "Could not open 'Steve:Applications:Microsoft Office 2004:Templates:My Templates:ypu minutes.dot'."

      Pure fucking genius. WTG Steve.

  7. Irony... by CaPn+Corelian · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because the minutes of the debate are in .DOC format.

  8. Re:this guy is a liability to the community by mikkelm · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One would think that any assembly styling themselves as being open-minded and advocating open debate would be above something as petty as a dress code.

    Dress codes anywhere but where the dressing is essential to the event is pointless. How is a uniform going to inspire creative thought? If what matters is what people have on their minds, why care about what they have on their bodies?

    "You're infinitely more insightful than me, but you aren't wearing the special clothes, so you can't join my discussion group."

    Sounds like something straight out of an elementary school playground.

  9. Re:T-shirts are communist? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The flip side of the coin - if you wear a suit, lots of engineers won't trust you. And why should they? You're telling them you hope they'll respect you because of what you wear, instead of what you say.

  10. Re:this guy is a liability to the community by kestasjk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Seems like by not dressing as other people do he's just adding more nonsense to the mix. Instead of delivering his message by speaking he's causing other people to focus on what he's wearing; generating controversy or trying to give himself a "look", instead of just giving a speech he's giving everyone other things to focus on.

    e.g. Here we are, talking about his stupid dress choice, and not about his speech. If he just dressed like everyone else we would be talking about what he said, not how he dressed, but he's taking away from what he said by dressing inappropriately.

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  11. Re:In a perfect world... by Kadin2048 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But that's not true. They still have the freedom the original author gave them. They can easily modify the orginal public domain piece of code. The fact that someone else has a copy doesn't detract from this ability. Not necessarily. In many cases, one version of a piece of software (or anything else, for that matter, you see it with books, pieces of music, lots of things) will become popular and drive previous versions into obscurity until they're nearly impossible to find.

    E.g., if I created a little piece of software and dumped it into the public domain, and someone picked it up, made a slight improved version, and marketed it widely, it might eventually take over, to the point where people forgot about its origin. (Which the 'improved' version's author might not even need to disclose.) Or something could happen by random chance to knock that one source for the original version offline. From that point on, users would have lost the freedom to look at the original version.

    Think of how hard it can be to find very old versions of common software projects (or old/first editions of a book) -- sometimes they're nearly impossible to find, because they're buried in references to newer versions. Newer versions tend to subsume the old. (And this ignores the rather obvious case where a party making use of some public domain code might try intentionally to expunge the original from public sources, to protect their proprietized version.)

    You can't simply assume that once information is made available, it will always be available. If not maintained and copied and actively disseminated, information dies; it fades away, for a myriad of reasons. The GPL prevents this from happening by making sure that the freedom in the original version is carried forward to all downstream variants and copies.
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  12. Lazy vs. Wasteful by foreverdisillusioned · · Score: 5, Insightful

    He's not "dressing lazy"; IIRC he simply does not own a suit. He does not believe in wasting wealth on non-essential items; this enables him to live on a relatively small income while spending most of his time pursuing the ideals he cares about. In my opinion, this attitude is much more noble than your "Hey, there's a guy with a cheap wardrobe! What a disrespectful jerk!" attitude. Expecting someone to waste hundreds of dollars to dress up like a penguin (insert Linux joke here) just to show that they "respect" you is extremely childish. Respect is a quality of interaction between people--material goods have no inherent 'respect'.

    And don't try to hide behind social custom. Just because some people are (by common custom) materialistic, elitist assholes doesn't mean you have to be too.

  13. Re:He pays both a financial price and a social pri by h4rm0ny · · Score: 5, Insightful


    Alternately, he is undoing a system that sets too much store by clothing and labels by showing people that a hugely influential and intelligent person can get where they are and change things without having to conform to other people's expectations. In that, he is trying to bring about another social change he believes is for the better. And I agree with him. Confusing the cost of someone's clothing with the value of what they're saying is a problem in our society.

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  14. Re:this guy is a liability to the community by Woy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Exactly. In my opinion, the clothes are irrelevant and basically a filter: if you are the sort of person that will judge Stallman by his clothes, then the wisdom he has to offer is lightyears beyond your reach. It is better that you just dismiss it rather than polluting the discussion.

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  15. Re:this guy is a liability to the community by markdavis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Here I am, as asked. I'm not going to lie to you or try to make my ideals look appealing. I won't dress up the message or myself to try to divert your attention from the downsides of the issue.
    By down-dressing below the level of just about anyone who would speak at a college, he *IS* diverting people's attention to what he is or isn't wearing.
  16. Re:T-shirts are communist? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's funny, nowadays I see it as exactly the opposite. I work in scientific engineering. When I see a scientist or an engineer dressed in expensive and ridiculously serious attire, a bell goes of in mind mind: watch out, this guy's an inept fool trying to project an aura of professionalism and physical superiority.

    Believe it or not, that's exactly the point the parent is trying to make. If you're going to talk to an audience of scientific engineers, then dressing in a suit puts the audience on edge because their uniform is casual. If you're talking to an audience of suits, then a T-shirt is going to put them on edge.

    We're all adult enough to set those biases aside, but if you're really interested in communicating with your audience, then it's in the interest of your message if you speak the language of the audience and follow (or at least don't offend) the social customs of the audience.
  17. Re:T-shirts are communist? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    There is a dress code for speakers on the Union floor. (as opposed to audience members, although many, particularly those on the Right, dress up whether or not they're speaking) I'm told that we knew Stallman wouldn't follow it, and that (obviously) we invited him anyway. I think the Union blog remarks on it not so much out of any anger at RMS, but more out of surprise--the Union is a pretty old organization, I'd be willing to bet that this was our first-ever barefoot guest.

    So: those of you who are accusing the Political Union of some kind of sartorial elitism; fine, fine. We have a dress code. But, clearly, we didn't let it get in the way of good debate. (Actually, we have it because we *want* good debate.)

  18. Re:this guy is a liability to the community by skoaldipper · · Score: 5, Insightful

    After 100+ comments, discussing ONLY the merits of RMS presentation attire, truly, the messenger has been shot. Does the importance of presentation make more sense now?

    When's the last time anyone bought a life insurance policy from a guy dressed up like a graveyard digger? We can all battle against conformance, yes. But overcoming the inherit biological prejudices of the mind in matters of perception is losing the war entirely. I don't' think it is respect, nor even appreciation. Maybe just common sense. Which seems to be lost on most brilliant minds, like RMS.

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  19. Re:T-shirts are communist? by c_forq · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I wouldn't say it is quality if clothing that shows respect as much as kind of clothing. If a speaker had on a $200 t-shirt of the highest quality I would still feel he wasn't concerned with respect. I had a professor that wore a suit to every class he taught, and explained he did so for the same reason he wears a suit when meeting with the University President: to show respect to those who he is addressing. I don't think it matters if it is a K-Mart, Armani, or custom tailored, as much as it matters that you showed effort to dress up. I wonder if people would think his choice in attire would be appropriate for a wedding or a funeral.

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  20. Re:this guy is a liability to the community by kestasjk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You may be blindly following a herd of sheep who believe (but don`t know why) that wearing a suit and tie makes you respectable... It's not about wearing a suit or tie, there's nothing inherently respectable about suits or ties, it's about following the convention.

    It's just a simple mark of respect for the audience, showing that the event is something special that is worth preparing for.. This is why people don't go to weddings, funerals, graduations, etc, in dressing gowns (I know I find dressing gowns more comfortable, but I know the father in law would be a little annoyed)

    You could say "omg you sheeple if I want to wear rainbow suspenders to your mom's funeral I will, you moron, because I don't follow arbitrary conventions like "wear black". I'm too cool and ironic to show respect and unity."
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  21. Re:T-shirts are communist? by cgenman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Respect, in the grand scheme of things, is a red herring. You wear clothes in order to get cultural associations. You wouldn't want a doctor performing surgery wearing a suit, no matter how much "respect" it is supposed to show.

    Similarly, showing up to a group of engineers wearing a western suit just shows that you're not an engineer. You're an executive and probably have little or no engineering training. You could also show up to a business meeting as an executive wearing the finest suit from the confuscious dynasty, and you'd never land the deal. If you wore a suit to a party thrown by a group of construction workers it might even be considred an offence. It's all about making cultural associations.

    Stallman is in ridiculously high demand as a speaker. By showing up he shows that you're more important than the other dozen of speaking engagements available that day. But even if you're not in demand as a speaker, doing your job and doing it well is really all that is required to show respect. It's curteous to try to look nice (and can be enjoyable too), but it is by no means necessary. Frequently, a suit is just used to cover up for incompentence.