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FTC To Take a Second Look at P2P

BlueMerle writes to mention that the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform has asked the FTC to take another look into the world of peer-to-peer file sharing. This time around however the inquiry has nothing to do with copyright. "But a USPTO report earlier this year stirred up the issue again by claiming that P2P installs could adversely affect national security when they made confidential government information available. This has already happened several times, as the Oversight Committee learned in July when it held hearings on the USPTO report and its findings. At that hearing, representatives were also shown real-time P2P search data. While most of the searches were for porn, movies, and music, the committee noted a surprisingly number of searches for private financial information."

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  1. Just wonderful. by adolf · · Score: 3, Funny

    Now, instead of RIAA, I have to worry about the Secret Service and the NSA when I'm browsing pirate bay looking for some mus

    *bright flash of concussion grenade*

    $#(FRe2%DEK#NO CARRIER

    1. Re:Just wonderful. by Technician · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Now, instead of RIAA, I have to worry about the Secret Service and the NSA when I'm browsing pirate bay looking for some mus

      Your search for muscle building is probably not going to raise any eyebrows. The fact you are sharing your entire My Documents folder with your Turbo Tax records is of a bigger concern. Go to any P-P site and do a search for common applications extensions. .doc, .xls, .ppt, are just the tip of the iceberg. Try searching for .pwl.. enjoy.

      Many people just don't get the fact they shouldn't use their home directory as a place to download their goodies. It is what they share without even knowing is what is dangerous.

      Here is a WSJ article detailing the problem..
      http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB118134946950829716-QWDmBwH_qAgisaepbCCMoT_4cPA_20070710.html?mod=fpa_editors_picks
      Compuerworld article;
      http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9012961
      and an article regarding an ID theft and arrest
      http://www.smh.com.au/news/security/man-used-filesharing-program-to-steal-data-money/2007/09/07/1188783469524.html

      They are not interested in your searches for marginal photos. They are interested in the security leaks.

      So just where are you pointing your downloads? Just what are you making available?

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    2. Re:Just wonderful. by bombastinator · · Score: 3, Interesting

      While Technician makes a very valid point, I suspect a major impetus for this is going to turn out to be RIAA lobbying. After all it's OK to be a bastard as long as it's a matter of national security.

      IMHO the P2P developer groups are going to have to get off their butts right fast and do some kind of patch to fix this hole, Such as an auto folder creation, or major pop warnings or something, or they are going to find themselves legislated out of existence.

      And I do mean really really fast. There is a major attitude about foreign military and industrial espionage. This is the kind of legislation that has legs. It's got both fear and money on it.

  2. I may not be a bureaucrat ... by Arabani · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But wouldn't the real solution be to train government employees in the arcane art of not installing P2P applications on government computers in the first place? Or does that just make too much sense to be effective?

    1. Re:I may not be a bureaucrat ... by adolf · · Score: 3, Interesting

      A better answer would be to stop giving everyone personal computers if they're not supposed to be, well, personalizing them.

      Not to be too fucking obvious, here.

    2. Re:I may not be a bureaucrat ... by MoonFog · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And teach them that, even at home, sharing the entire "My Documents" folder when you keep your private and work related stuff there is a bad idea. I mean, most P2P programs I know of don't just make your entire harddrive available, you actually have to put these documents up for grabs.

    3. Re:I may not be a bureaucrat ... by cybereal · · Score: 3, Funny

      But wouldn't the real solution be to train government employees in the arcane art of not installing P2P applications on government computers in the first place? Or does that just make too much sense to be effective? I'm sorry. You forgot to file form 23-B "Request for request to criticize" and amendment form 27-B-A2 "Amendment to criticism for system specific criticisms involving apes, lepers, or government employees," and submit it the resulting form along with a notarized copy of your mother's birth certificate request form, so I have the unfortunate duty to file a form to request the manual to instruct my assistant on how to file the request to have your bureaucrat grade demoted.

      Remember to file the acceptance forms or risk a lengthy repeat of this entire process!

      Stamp stamp stamp stamp stamp

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    4. Re:I may not be a bureaucrat ... by speaker+of+the+truth · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You think you're joking but how is needing a permit to protest much different?

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  3. Why is P2P always to blame? by MoonFog · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But a USPTO report earlier this year stirred up the issue again by claiming that P2P installs could adversely affect national security when they made confidential government information available.

    How is this even remotely related to any P2P protocol? That's an issue no matter what protocol used. Hell, in Norway there have been lots of screaming because some soldiers have put information and pictures that were confidential in one way or the other up on Facebook. Making confidential information available is a breach of security no matter what protocol you use to distribute it. Perhaps things get distributed more with P2P, but you still have to look for information and download before (while) you distribute it yourself.

    1. Re:Why is P2P always to blame? by iminplaya · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It's about changing the internet from its present P2P nature where anybody can run a server into centrally controlled repository of "authorized" servers where uploading, like present day broadcasting, will require a license. Chances are the public will fall for it and go along. And the ISPs are already doing their part by restricting upload speeds and volume.

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  4. How convenient... by jamstar7 · · Score: 3, Funny
    So, since the MafIAA couldn't stop all those 'illegal filesharing piratical thieves' it's now going to be a national security issue like personal encryption was back in the 90's.

    How much pr0n does the government have laying around, and why isn't it on Limewire yet?????????

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  5. Great! by LordPhantom · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Brilliant! Bribery didn't work, so let's make it about national security. Why, precisely, is this any more dangerous than "ssh encrypted file transfers" (aka sftp), or this newfangled thing called FedEx and "paper"? Sure, because it's an information-sharing protocol you can (drum roll) share information. That, in of itself is not a heinous thing.

  6. Your honor... by Romicron · · Score: 4, Funny

    Financial information is more important data. All those numbers take up lots of tube space. Soon we'll have all those tubes clogged up with dollars and cents* unless we can cut off the P2P box from trying to get this data! *Dollars and cents are number figures, not actual coins. Please don't go digging around and cutting open the tubes for money.

  7. A surprising number of searches? by Romicron · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I love it when qualitiative terms are applied to quantitative data. Out of 100% of searches made, there'll be A% for porn, B% for music, C% for movies... and D% for "sensitive financial information?" What was that number? "A surprising amount." (Skimmed the article too). What number were you expecting? 0%? 0.001%? 1%? I'd like to know a) exactly what the numbers are, b) what constitutes a search for "sensitive financial information". Searching for a credit report on someone is a lot different than searching for how much money some celebrity makes.

  8. What is P2P? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Isn't the entire Internet a P2P network?

  9. I have to ask this... by Storlek · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why are classified documents even on a computer that's connected to the internet in the first place? The government has their own separate networks for that stuff.

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  10. p2p is too democratic, a danger to the US by br00tus · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I've done various work with p2p for a while, including writing my own Gnutella application. Peer to peer technology is much too democratic and egalitarian to be allowed free reign. For example, currently if I wanted to publish a 30 minute video online, I would have to pay a lot of money to host it. Nowadays, I could send it to sites like Youtube if I was willing to accept it being surrounded by advertising (or possibly banned if running afoul of their rules). With peer-to-peer, anyone can publish, and if it's popular enough, the "cost" is really paid for by the consumer. For a society like the US, with most of the media in the hands of a few conglomerates, this is far too much freedom and equality, and I knew it was just a matter of time before they attempted to get their claws on peer-to-peer, at the behest of those conglomerates.

    Last year Javed Iqbal, a satellite installer, was thrown in jail. His crime? He allowed people in the US to watch Al-Manar, the television station of Hezbollah. Of course Hezbollah is legally considered to be a terrorist group - if you're a country that is or formerly was a British colony. Or, for some reason, Holland. Outside of Holland and current/former British Dominions, the rest of the world considers Hezbollah to be what it is, a representative of Palestinians pushed into southern Lebanon by the Israelis from 1948 on. But anyhow, the US and UK are at odds with the rest of the world on this as so often they are, Iqbal was thrown in the slammer, and nary a word is heard about it or the supposed First Amendment. Meanwhile, narcissistic attention-seekers like Salman Rushdie are feted and praised year after year. In fact, this is done by the same corporate media propaganda machine which is working to dismantle things like peer-to-peer, all the while of course never reporting on what they are in fact doing, or about many things that are going on in the country of interest but that we'll never know about.

  11. Chasing the wrong goat by Camael · · Score: 4, Insightful
    From the original article:

    The committee has a bee in its collective bonnet about the issue of data security, and believes that P2P users across the country are inadvertently leaking private information and financial records into the tubes. Such information could be used for identity theft (and also has national security implications in some cases), and the Oversight Committee wants the FTC to do something. So why is the committee going after the medium (p2p) instead of the users leaking the secrets? Going by their logic, other methods of communication like email, msn, icq, snail mail etc. are also potentially capable of leaking national secrets. Isn't it simpler, cheaper and more importantly, less inconvenient to the general public to just issue a directive to all government officials not to use any p2p at their work computers or at all?