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Nintendo Cracks Down on Copying Devices

Adrian Lopez writes "Nintendo is cracking down on mod chips and copying devices with the help of the Hong Kong government. 'The Hong Kong High Court has intervened, at Nintendo's request, to help stop a global distribution operation involving game copying devices and modification chips that violate the copyrights and trademarks of Nintendo DS and Wii. On Oct. 8th, the court ordered the raid of Supreme Factory Limited facilities, through which Nintendo representatives seized more than 10,000 game copying devices and mod chips over the course of three days. The devices seized are used to copy and play Nintendo DS games offered unlawfully over the Internet, and the mod chips allow the play of pirated Wii discs or illegal copies of downloaded Nintendo games.'"

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  1. But they wont achive much by Tainek · · Score: 5, Informative

    Its like taking piss out of a swimming pool, you can make wii chips out of commonly availible materials for $5 (WiiFree, OpenWii etc)

    1. Re:But they wont achive much by Kamokazi · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's all fine and dandy for the Wii, but for the DS it's not so simple. The sad thing here is I think Nintento is missing the opportunity for a new product.

      What a lot of these 3rd party cartridges do for the DS do is allow people to (aside from copying DS/GBA games) play music and movies, and have PDA functionality. They also allow users to play NES, SNES, etc games on them as well.

      Many of these cards sell for $80+ (or do once you add the removable flash memory). If they were smart, they would take a page from the Wii's online service, sell a cartridge for $20 that allows you to buy and download old NES/SNES games with Nintento points like you can on the Wii. They could also sell a cartridge with a flash memory slot and allow it to do multimedia playback.

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    2. Re:But they wont achive much by jamar0303 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      In Japan, they do- it's called the Play-Yan. Strange that they don't try to sell it outside Japan.

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    3. Re:But they wont achive much by Phisbut · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Making stuff illegal just drives it further underground.

      And driving it further underground makes it that much harder for Joe Sixpack to access, which is exactly what they want. Nintendo (or any other company hitting hard on pirates) aren't dumb. They know that piracy will always exist, but they want to drive it underground, really deep underground. So deep most people won't know about it.

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    4. Re:But they wont achive much by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      on the DS it is that simple. you can walk into any walmart and walk out with a DS cart that will play copied games.

      Datel games-n-music DS. I got several japanese import copies playing on that device with a 1 gig micro SD card in it.

      $25.00 at walmart. Warez for the masses.

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  2. Slashdot 10 year Party? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I can't help but notice that every article on the Main Page has been posted by ScuttleMonkey...where did everyone else go? Was there a party last night that Scuttlemonkey wasn't invited to?

  3. Re:Booo! by CRCulver · · Score: 4, Informative

    Media-shifting is only a fair-use right when encryption is not involved. Under the DMCA, you cannot break encryption to media-shift. It's not just media hype, it's been US law since 1998.

  4. It's a lose-lose. by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If Nintendo is 0% successful at this, they will have wasted a lot of money and time for nothing.

    If Nintendo is 100% successful, on the other hand, they will save some revenue, but at the cost of pissing off a lot of users, legitimate and otherwise, who might decide to take their business elsewhere.

    Odds are pretty good that their actual success rate will fall somewhere between 0% and 100% (most probably close to the low end of the scale), making this endeavor slightly annoying to the users, while being in the main a big waste of time.

    Any way you slice it, it's a dumb idea.

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    1. Re:It's a lose-lose. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Copyright thieves? Who is falsely claiming copyright over the property of Nintendo? And what in the name of FSM does "violating the use of their software/hardware" mean? Surely if Nintendo have sold the hardware to others its not theirs anymore, and its up the new owner to decide what they do with it. Is owning property illegal? How did this scam come about whereby corporations sell stuff to you, then claim they still really own it - and the right to control what you can and cant do with it?

      As near as I can tell, Nintendo are the ones actually stealing the physical property of others - chips, consoles, and a whole heap of stuff that isnt theirs. Fuck them and the corrupt legal system that helps them commit crimes against people.

  5. Misread that.. by EveryNickIsTaken · · Score: 5, Funny
    Heh. I misread the first sentence as:

    Nintendo is cracking down on mod chips and copying devices with the help of the Donkey Kong government. Need more coffee.
  6. You can't do anything but admire... by toQDuj · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...the way this article is spun.

    Yes, mod chips could be used for illegal activities, but also for good. The article really fails to highlight that. With a tone like this, you'd wonder how tape recorders ever got sold.

    B.

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  7. Chasing users? by ilovegeorgebush · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've always wondered if those that use R4 cards (I don't have one) for the DS and play online are at risk of being caught and having their doors knocked down by the SS..err I mean Police. Surely they're logging users and have means of identifying legitimate/illegitimate users?

  8. "Blatant Stealing." by Aladrin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "It can destroy years of hard work by a team of very talented software developers, who strive to create games consumers enjoy playing."

    It -can-, but it doesn't. Instead, it allows people that don't have the money to buy the game to play it anyhow, and get their friends excited, and get them interested in sequels and spinoffs. Instead of forcing the penniless gamer to go out and play in the yard for free, it keeps them addicted to video games.

    On the other hand, people that -can- afford the games buy them, for the most part. I'm not talking the teenagers that have to skip lunch this month to buy a game, but the people with full-time jobs and disposable income.

    And when it comes right down to it, the only difference between someone "stealing" a game using a modchip and that same person buying the game used is the timeframe. The developer doesn't get any money from either way. (Of course, GameStop gets some money on the used route, but that's irrelevant to this discussion.)

    My current tactic? Rental. Any game I don't absolutely have to have right away, I just rent it. For 1/3 of a game per month, I can rent 2-4 by mail. For 3/4 of a game per month, I can rent 4-8. Since I lose interest in most games after a few hours anyhow, this works great for me. I've had some games that I thought I'd love that I spent less than an hour playing them before they were back in the mail. GameFly (and probably other services) will even let you buy the game at a reduced price if you want to keep it. That makes it really hard to justify buying it brand new.

    So in the end, Nintendo can rid the market of these devices and it won't change things for the better. That isn't their goal, though. Their goal is to remind people that they are illegal and 'wrong'. And they did that.

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  9. Speaking of scrathed disks by wannabegeek2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've not made a habit of backing up CD / DVD media based games or content, primarily due to the hassle. For the adult stuff my wife and I are careful enough with the disks that the risk of the disk becoming damaged through normal use is reasonably low. (read as not worth the hassle and cost of obtaining technically illegal software and quality media)

    An incident last weekend however has me reconsidering my current practices, at least where my kids CDs, DVDs and games are concerned.

    Over the course of the last few years I've had to use the furniture polish trick on a few game CDs. Usually after one of the kids left them sliding around in a drawer and the PS2 or 'puter couldn't read them anymore. With I think one exception, so far I've been lucky and they've all be playable.

    Last weekend however my son had a friend over for cooperative HALO3 fest. On the second evening they're setting up the friends system when my son decides to "stand up XBox so it can get some cooling". After this the system says the disk is unreadable, and it's discovered that their is a perfectly circular series of scratches about a quarter inch from the out edge and an eighth of an inch wide.

    After multiple attempts with the furniture polish and toothpaste tricks I finally get the disk to read. I have NO doubt I'll be buying the young man a new HALO3 disk in the near future.

    The moral of the story?

    It should be EASY and LEGAL to make backups of your media. It doesn't matter whether it is music, a video or a game!

        Oh, by the way, anyone have any favorite, tried and true, game disk restoration tips? :-)

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    1. Re:Speaking of scrathed disks by Kiuas · · Score: 4, Funny

      Your lucky... I wish my GF liked pr0n :( Your lucky, this is Slashdot after all... Most of us just wish we had a girlfriend :(
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  10. Typical lies by foreverdisillusioned · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The devices seized are used to copy and play Nintendo DS games offered unlawfully over the Internet, and the mod chips allow the play of pirated Wii discs or illegal copies of downloaded Nintendo game

    They're also used to play games that aren't available for sale in the USA (and won't run on a North American Wii even if you import them legally), and they're used to play legal ("Fair Use") backups of game discs that have been damaged.

    All of you MAFIAA shills can whine "oh but that's not what you guys are REALLY using them for!" all you want, but my both my sister and my girlfriend like Japanese date sims (weird, yes), and I've known several people who've had a game disc damaged beyond playability--usually by dogs or small children.

  11. Re:Booo! by Von+Helmet · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'd bet a lot of money that use of these devices for the purpose of personal backups pales in comparison to their use for playing copied games.

    Sure, it's a bitch, especially as I was hoping to pick up an R4 for Homebrew purposes, but you've got to admit that Nintendo have a point with this.

  12. GBA Flash2Advance / eBay / ESA Tale Of Woe by pandrijeczko · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I recently sold my Gameboy Advance & two Flash2Advance backup cartridges on eBay (all of them separately). Along with the F2A cartridges, I threw in with each a DVD full of **ONLY** GBA PD ROMs.

    Fortunately, the auctions ended & the buyers had paid me before eBay informed me that they were taking the F2A listings down due to software piracy. When I questioned eBay as to why this had been done when I was not advertising any commercially copied software with the cartridges, they told me to get in touch with the ESA (Entertainment Software Association) who had asked for the listings to be removed.

    So far, I have emailed the officious tosspots at the ESA four times & demanded an explanation as to why they insisted the F2As be removed when eBay can still advertise writable CDs & DVDs, USB flash keys and DVD writers, all of which can be used for piracy in a similar fashion.

    In over 4 weeks now, I have not received one reply from the ESA who, as far as I am concerned, have accused me of being a software pirate & been heavy-handed in their attitude - even though I made it clear to them that the F2A can be a legitimate developer tool for homebrew GBA ROMs.

    All these heavy-handed corporations are just assholes!

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  13. Re:Booo! by toleraen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You had mediocre parents and have had the good fortune (thus far) to be in complete control of your stuff. Not everyone (e.g. Greensboro KS, Louisiana, and various random people who've been burgled or robbed) is so lucky.

    Having/maintaning good backups is part of "taking care of your stuff." Please provide a method on how to backup my TV, my couch, my oven, etc, so when I'm robbed I'm good to go. Oh wait, that's right, it's called home owner's insurance, which applies to everything you own (as long as you chose to cover it). When my wife's apartment burned down I had my PS2 games back within a week. Backups are for irreplaceable information, not material goods.
  14. Homebrew development earned me a career by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When I was in high school, I bought a Flash2Advance for gobs and gobs of money because I wanted to play NES games on my Gameboy Advance. I did that for a few days, and then got sick of it. A few months later I decided to try my hand at GBA game development, and made a few demos and a complete game over the course of a few months. I entered the game in a Homebrew GBA competition and got an honorable mention... My parents thought it was the biggest waste of money and for a while I did too, until three years later when I mentioned it on my resume. I got a job at an embedded engineering company, and my boss later told me that the whole reason they called me in for an interview was because of they downloaded my GBA game and tried it out. Before that I had never even heard of "embedded engineering," and now it is my passion and specialty.

    I never thought a $500 video game would change the direction of my life, but I will never doubt that homebrew is great. Certainly it can be used to steal games, but it is also one of the cheapest and most effective ways for a novice programmer to get into a booming industry. And, yes, developing for emulators is also valid, but testing on real hardware was an invaluable experience that an emulator cannot replicate.

  15. Re:Booo! by Trelane · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Please provide a method on how to backup my TV, my couch, my oven, etc, so when I'm robbed I'm good to go.
    Sorry, physical goods and electronic goods are not the same. Now, when you have a matter compiler, we can talk more about it.

    Oh wait, that's right, it's called home owner's insurance, which applies to everything you own (as long as you chose to cover it).
    Yes, homeowner's (and renter's) insurance is a fallback for some major disasters like I outlined. However, there are caveats:
    • It covers stuff when it's in your home (What about your DS games or CDs or whatever? Remember, O Strong Copyrighter, that making MP3s of your CDs are illegal--you must use the original media!)
    • It usually has a considerable deductible.
    • Your insurance agent will ding you (i.e. raise premiums) when you take it, so you have to choose carefully when you cover a loss, so a minor theft is most likely in your pockets, not theirs. (In fact, they will drop you if you file too many claims!)
    • Flooding can and will happen, but flood insurance is a separate (and costly!) option to add. Say you're in a 500-year flood plain (most places are in some sort of flooding area; the question is how often it occurs). The chances of you getting flooded any time in the near future are small. Would you elect to pay the (rather costly) insurance for everything, or just a set of things (which likely excludes games and music)? Why pay extra if you could back it up?
    • Choosing to cover stuff is a trade-off. You can cover more (and increase premiums) or cover less (and decrease premiums). So you're saying we should have to increase premiums, because backing up a CD should be prohibited?!

    So your reasoning to ban all backing up of your legally-acquired copies of music, games, movies, etc. is because you can get insurance which may or may not completely cover the loss (if you chose to pay the higher premiums to get the coverage), if it covers the loss at all?. I'm afraid I just don't agree with you.

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