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Another Look at 1930's Cyclogyro Plane Design

trogador writes to mention that a group of researchers is taking another swing at the idea of a cyclogyro design for a UAV. Even though the cyclogyro design was invented in the 1930's there are no records of a successful flight. "Cyclogyros have the potential to be highly maneuverable flying robots due to their method of operation, making them potentially more suitable for complex tasks than helicopters and other micro air vehicles (MAVs) with less maneuverability. The biggest challenge in designing the cyclogyros is varying the angle of attack of the rotating wings. This ability would enable the plan to change altitude, hover, and fly in reverse. To achieve this quick angle variation, the researchers introduced an eccentric (rotational) point in addition to a rotational point connected to a motor."

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  1. This is all very nice by Mr.Fork · · Score: 4, Funny

    But will it cut my lawn? Without supervision? Can I set it to keep the neighbours dog out? Lasers? Can it have lasers? Lasers would be nice.

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    1. Re:This is all very nice by JK_the_Slacker · · Score: 4, Funny

      Lasers? Can it have lasers? Lasers would be nice.

      You must be new here. Lasers go on SHARKS. Robots with lasers are SO 1980s.

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  2. Re:Goldberg to the Rescue... by Rorschach1 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yeah, as I recall, one of the drawbacks of this design is that it can't glide like a plane or autorotate like a helicopter. If it loses power, it's coming DOWN. For a UAV that's not a big problem, I suppose.. though I wouldn't want to be underneath it.

    For that matter, a large-scale model would be a little scary to be around during takeoff and landing. I've done hover loads on a Huey (climbing in while it's hovering about 3 feet off the ground) and it still feels like the rotor's about to take your head off. Not to mention how it blows dust and gravel everywhere. This thing would be like a whirling death machine.

    Still, for a small, agile robotic observation platform, I can see where it'd be useful. But with several decades of experience with helicopters behind us, I doubt it's going to happen unless there are some VERY compelling performance differences.

  3. Re:Seeing as the link to TFA is dead ... by fewnorms · · Score: 4, Informative

    Dammit, posting the actual link would have helped here. Anyways, for the rebound:

    http://www.dself.dsl.pipex.com/MUSEUM/TRANSPORT/cyclogyro/cyclogyro.htm

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  4. Re:Like a helicopter? by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 4, Informative

    Yes, helicopters do it too. The advancing blade meets the air at aircraft velocity PLUS velocity due to the spinning of the blades. The retreating blade meets the air at rotational velocity Minus aircraft forward speed. Thus to produce the same lift, it has to have a higher angle of attack. This is done by the cyclic pitch control. Depending on the total lift needed the angle of attack has to be increased for all the blades by equal amount. That is called the total pitch. It does make the hub mechanism of the helicopter blades very complex.

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  5. Re:Same fuel consumption as helicopters by pittance · · Score: 4, Funny

    Commercial jets are at lift/drag of around 18-20 now
    As an engineer working with fixed wings it is my firm belief that helicopters fly because they are so ugly that the ground repels them - on that basis this thing is getting to the moon.

  6. A different link with Video! by Xoltri · · Score: 5, Informative
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  7. Flying through its own downwash = bad. by goodmanj · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So one of the reasons they try to keep airplanes separated in the sky is because of the downward flow of air they generate behind them. For every action there's an equal and opposite reaction: if the air is lifting the plane, the plane must push the air down. If one plane flies too close to another, the downwash can cause the trailing plane to crash.

    The wings of this thing generate a downwash at the top of the "paddle wheel" which flows down and strikes the wing at the bottom of the paddle wheel. Not one website discussing these planes mentions this. Maintaining control and lift in this situation sounds ... challenging.

  8. Let's See Here... by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 3, Funny
    Let's see here:

    The design is seventy years old.
    It has never successfully flown during all that time.
    LET'S SPEND MONEY ON IT NOW!

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