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IBM Recycles Waste CPU Wafers Into Solar Panels

Luyseyal writes "IBM has developed a process for scrubbing waste silicon wafers clean, allowing the otherwise highly secret waste to be sold. The silicon quality usually necessary for solar production is very high and the cost of solar panels reflects it. Recycling this waste should help bring down the cost in the long run and add a new profit vector for chip manufacturers. The article notes that IBM has such a high profile in the chip business that this recycling tech should spread rapidly."

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  1. I'll wait for AMD to do this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Their scrap wafers turned into solar power should generate more power at a fraction of the cost.

  2. Silicon wafers are not the answer for longterm PV by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 4, Informative

    While most PV is currently constructed from wafer silicon, this is not a viable long-term strategy because it takes so much energy to make a wafer. To make real progress, PV needs to move to alternative technologies.

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  3. Re:As the 8th Most Common Element (by Mass)... by dwywit · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think it's got more to do with the "energy debt" that silicon wafers acquire during their manufacture. Anything is better than starting from scratch.

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  4. Dear IBM, by tjstork · · Score: 4, Funny

    If you just give me a few hundred thousand dollars, I'll buy a little boat and just dump all your trash in the ocean.

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    Nigeria

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  5. Re:How Much? by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 4, Informative
    To give you an idea... First you have to melt sand. Not cheese on a pizza, but sand.... then keep in melted while building up the silicon boule which takes a good long time. Then you cut it into wafers and a lot of the material gets lost in the kerf. Then there is doping where the wafers need to be kept at very high temperatures for many hours while the dopants get absorbed into the wafers...

    That's a lot of heating that needs to be done very cleanly so uses electrical power which is far more wasteful than trying to get the same heat from a primary source (gas/oil etc).

    No wonder PV has such long energy payback times and costs so much.

    To get energy input (and thus $/watt too) to practical levels requires a change from wafer-based technology.

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  6. Re:How Much? by Ogemaniac · · Score: 5, Informative

    It actually takes an enormous amount of energy to make solar (or IC) grade silicon. The estimates I have seen calculate that about 20% of the total energy produced by a typical crystalline silicon solar panel is necessary to construct and install the cell. Roughly half that energy is embedded in the silicon itself.

    I disagree with the parent's parent post. There is no reason that silicon cells are not viable renewable energy sources. They produce five units of energy over the long haul for every one put in (excluding sunlight, of course!) - and that one could be renewable itself.

    Silicon for IC and solar is so expensive and energy intensive because it must be so pure. To produce it, SiO2 (quartz, sand, etc) first reduced with carbon (similar to how iron oxide is made into iron). This requires lots of energy. This product, however, is crude. To purify it, it must be gassified to various chlorosilane molecules and then distilled (lots of energy in both steps). The highly pure gas species are again reduced to silicon metal and then recrystallized carefully to eliminate even more impurities...again, energy intensive. In most cases, these steps are undertaken at different facilities or companies, requiring shipment at each step as well.

  7. This is great by Fengpost · · Score: 4, Interesting

    However, it would more impressive if someone can recycle the waste of LCD substrate. The LCD generates huge amount of waste as well.

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  8. Oh man! by Derek+Loev · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Are those solar panels real??!! They're huge!"
    "No way man, that's got to be silicon. There's no way it's natural."

  9. Re:How Much? by dbIII · · Score: 4, Informative
    It really depends on how big the ingot is that the wafers are cut from and how well the factory is set up. It used to be a very slow energy intensive operation - you are growing very big single crystals of pure silicon after all in a process known as "zone refining". There were a lot of improvements in the 1970s to change the size of the zone melted, some changes to reduce the amount of this that has to be done and doing things in large volumes (big ingots with big wafers) brings the energy use per square millimetre of silicon components right down. There are still people that look at the numbers from the first solar cells produced for the early space program by experimental methods and assume (or pretend as an arguement ploy) the costs are the same today despite the very wide use of semiconductors and the improvements and economies of scale.

    As for recyling - it would be a matter of grinding the top off by whatever method is easiest (eg. Silicon carbide grinding and finer particles of the same to polish) to give you a single silicon crystal to turn into whatever you want it to be. In a lab progressively finer grades of normal sandpaper and a retail brass cleaner gets enough of a polish to see a mirror finish under a microscope at 400x.

    To add an answer to somebody else's question here there are other methods like "sol-gel", the name actually somes from solution and not solar. This method for multi-crystalline coatings including some solar cell materials is effectively mixing up some goo in a bucket, painting it on and then heating it up in an oven. The solar materials made this way are not as effective but really cheap due to not needing very high temperatures to fabricate - you don't have to melt silicon.

  10. Re:As the 8th Most Common Element (by Mass)... by dbIII · · Score: 4, Insightful
    It's the same as with Aluminium, common as dirt but if we want to use it as something other than dirt that takes a lot of effort. Once it's in a usable form it's an incedible amount easier to use the metal than it is to turn the mined material into metal all over again.

    With Silicon you have the added problem that you want really big crystals since you do not want a grain boundary halfway across your electronic component. The wafers are cut from a single large crystal and it takes a lot of effort to grow this crystal. Silicon is very hard so cutting it into wafers is not that easy either.

  11. Re:How Much? by sholden · · Score: 5, Funny

    First you have to melt sand. Not cheese on a pizza, but sand

    God damn it! No wonder my attempts have never worked. You have no idea how many different types of cheese I have tried...

  12. Re:How Much? by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Another way to calculate it is about 777.6Kj:Kg, which is 18.624Gj for the 8" wafer, in the range of what we ran down.

    I left out the only 20% efficiency solar -> DC conversion factor, so the cells I described produce only about 50Gj in their lifetime, or 37% total energy inefficiency from manufacturing. Seems like a lot.

    I'm not sure we'd have to put the silicon into space. I saw reports of a NASA demo a few years ago of a lunar robot making solar cells from lunar dust. There's about 20 trillion square meters of Moon facing the Sun at any time, getting about 1.3KW:m^2, or 26 petawatts. Even at 1% conversion/transmission/conversion efficiency, that's 260TW, or 17x total human energy consumption. Which means well under 6%, perhaps even 0.6%, of the Moon's surface would replace all Earth power generation. Of course, orbiting solar platforms could offer even larger energy return. And consider the amount of energy wasted on war and fuel distribution that could be saved. If the space "factories" are productive enough, the energy budget balances well in favor of doing it.

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  13. Question about solar power by Entropius · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Aren't there ways to get solar power without futzing with photovoltaics?

    What sort of efficiency can we get out of focusing sunlight on water (using cheap Fresnel lenses), making steam, and using it to turn a turbine? Is this cheaper per watt of generating capacity to build?

    Seems like if you did this on seawater (on a big barge or similar), you could extract the water once the steam recondensed and getting desalination for free. If desalination becomes necessary to supply freshwater this might be worth it.

  14. Re:Not real news by Animats · · Score: 4, Informative

    Right. I heard the same thing from an Applied Materials VP.

    Besides, the serious players in the solar business are now making solar cells five square meters at a time, using gear based on LCD panel fab technology. Solar panel production has gone way beyond using recycled IC wafers.

    There's been commercial wafer recycling for years.

  15. Re:As the 8th Most Common Element (by Mass)... by Mark_MF-WN · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I remember reading about how the entire concept of "recycling" started with aluminum -- because the difference between refining new aluminum from bauxite and reprocessing existing aluminum is so incredibly great. Even iron is recycled to an extraordinary degree. And they say that 99% of all the gold that has ever been mined is still in use. There are even a few companies that believe that they can profitably recover platinum from the dust on America's highways left behind by catalytic converters!

    Is it any surprise that silicon, being so expensive to purify, would ultimately start to see at least some measure of waste recovery?