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Patterns in Lottery Numbers

markmcb writes "Most everyone is familiar with the concept of the lottery, i.e., random numbers are selected and people guess what they will be for a cash prize. But how random are the numbers? Matt Vea has conducted a pattern analysis of the MegaMillions lottery, which recently offered a sum of $370M (USD) to the winner. Matt shows that the lottery isn't as random as it may seem and that there are 'better' choices than others to be made when selecting numbers. From the article, 'A single dollar in MegaMillions purchases a 1 in 175,711,536 chance of landing the jackpot ... a player stands a mildly better chance of winning a partial prize through the selection of weighted numbers.'" Includes some excellent charts of his analysis.

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  1. And yet, one truth escapes the analysis by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 5, Funny

    Most lotteries (as opposed to raffles) have less than half the money spent by lottery ticket buyers going into the payout pool.

    You're already losing by buying the ticket.

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    1. Re:And yet, one truth escapes the analysis by Red+Flayer · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You're already losing by buying the ticket.
      From an arithmetical perspective, yes. From a more subjective standpoint, no.

      Instead of using absolute dollar figures for your analysis, you should use lifestyle impact.

      e.g. One dollar a week == no lifestyle impact; $370MM payout == off the charts lifestyle impact.

      This is why people will continue to play the lottery, even if mathematically it's a poor choice.
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    2. Re:And yet, one truth escapes the analysis by king-manic · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Instead of using absolute dollar figures for your analysis, you should use lifestyle impact.

      e.g. One dollar a week == no lifestyle impact; $370MM payout == off the charts lifestyle impact. Also, for 1 dollar a week you are buying a mild emotional high when checking the numbers and a mild emotional low when you find out that math pwned you again.
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    3. Re:And yet, one truth escapes the analysis by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 5, Funny

      Also, for 1 dollar a week you are buying a mild emotional high when checking the numbers and a mild emotional low when you find out that math pwned you again.

      Yes, but for less than one dollar a day (that's less than the cost of a cup of coffee), you can help change a child's life. Imagine the feeling of joy you'll get when you receive a personalized card in the mail from the child you sponsor. Call the number on your screen right now to make a donation.

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    4. Re:And yet, one truth escapes the analysis by IgLou · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah but I still hate how smug math is for pwning me in the first place, even when I win! Take this unnofficial transcript between math and I.

      Lou - Look Math! I won 100 bucks on the lotto!
      Math - *scowling* How much did you spend on that ticket?
      Lou - Well, uh 10 bucks so it's like I made $10 dollars on ever dollar I spent!
      Math - *smiling evilly* Oh really? Was that the only ticket you bought this week?
      Lou - Well no, but...
      Math - AND... did you win on any of those tickets? How much did you spend altogether this week?
      Lou - Well no but it was only another 10 so it's like I made 5 on...
      Math - Please, spare me. How much have you spent this month?
      Lou - Uh 80 but...
      Math - and won?
      Lou - with this it would be 120.
      Math - Aha! You're return is more like .50 cents on the dollar!
      Lou - But overall...
      Math - Lies! Statistically this year you've lost more money than you gained!
      Lou - It was disposable income!!
      Math - How much would that have made long term investments!
      Lou - I don't know!
      Math - Or how much you would have saved on your mortgage!
      Lou - I don't know, I don't know!
      Math - Fool, now go make me a one minute egg.
      Lou - Fine, right after I put some money in a stocks so we can retire.
      Math - Idiot, why bother? You have a higher probability of making money on the stock market by random selection. A monkey can make money on the stock market better than you!
      Lou - *sobbing uncontrollably* I hate you! I hate you!
      Math - Wait till he hears about his income tax. Muhahahaha!

      I may have had to improvise some parts but that's fairly accurate.

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  2. Your best bet. by RandoX · · Score: 5, Funny

    4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42.

    1. Re:Your best bet. by Dusty00 · · Score: 5, Funny

      They won't let me play my lucky number: 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0

  3. So It's Pretty Darn Random Then? by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Insightful
    How does the outcome of thousands of already drawn balls assure that same frequency will continue to occur?

    These differences aren't that compelling. To me I would say, "Congratulations, you have found some deviation from equal frequency for all balls. But this would happen in any instance of drawing these balls."

    I'm concerned that this has been an exercise in deviation in pseudo random systems. The same could be done with a computer simulation and similar results would be found.

    I hate to say it but this study points out to me that the lottery is actually pretty much as close to random as it could get. In fact, the summary of the paper states that if there were some event to skew this, then you could achieve a small bonus:

    However, in the event there is some peculiar factor skewing the ball selection such that any of these trends continue, a player stands a mildly better chance of winning a partial prize through the selection of weighted numbers. However this peculiar factor can not only be identified but if it exists, it is highly unlikely it is anything even remotely observable.
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  4. yes, indeed there *Are* patterns (and not) by Ancient_Hacker · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Yes, you will see patterns.

    And if you look up in the night sky, you'll see an archer, a bull, a big and a small dipper.

    What's your point?

  5. Re:Conclusions... by Hatta · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Of course you can't conclude much from this analysis. In any random distribution you're going to see random statistical fluctuations causing some clustering. Some numbers will get picked more than you'd predict by chance, just by chance. And necessarily some numbers will be picked less often than you'd predict by chance. The upside of this is that you can predict the extent of this clustering and compare that to the actual data to see if it's rigged.

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  6. You can't lose if you don't play by sm62704 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One of the slogans for the Illinois lottery used to be "you can't win if you don't play", but I figured every time I didn't play, I won $1. Its both stupid and ironic that many of the same people bitching about taxes pay this voluntary tax!

    At the astronomical odds against winning, I figure my chances of finding a winning ticket on the ground are only marginally worse than my chances of buying a winning ticket. So rather than give extra money to the government so it will be funnelled to politically connected rich people, I just watch the ground.

    -mcgrew

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    1. Re:You can't lose if you don't play by zerocool^ · · Score: 5, Interesting



      One of the slogans for the Illinois lottery used to be "you can't win if you don't play", but I figured every time I didn't play, I won $1. Its both stupid and ironic that many of the same people bitching about taxes pay this voluntary tax!

      At the astronomical odds against winning, I figure my chances of finding a winning ticket on the ground are only marginally worse than my chances of buying a winning ticket. So rather than give extra money to the government so it will be funnelled to politically connected rich people, I just watch the ground.


      I play the Mega Millions every time the numbers are drawn. We have a standing office pool with 4 of us, and we play 4 numbers every time the balls are dropped, the same 4 sets of numbers each time.

      What have we won? Well, one time we won $150. But aside from that, we know that the lotto money goes into the public school system. So, in effect, I'm donating $8 - $9 minus administrative fees to the school system every month.

      I'm ok with that.

      And on the off chance that I ever win the lotto, none of you will ever hear from my fat ass again.

      ~Wx

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    2. Re:You can't lose if you don't play by wiggles · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Umm, the money doesn't go into the public school fund, it goes into the general fund. They only tell you it goes into the school fund. What really happens is, for ever dollar the lottery collects, they put that dollar into the school fund, which means they don't have to allocate that dollar to the school system from the general fund. In the end, the schools don't get any more money, it's just more money the state legislators have to spend on pork barrel projects.

  7. Missing data by Richard+W.M.+Jones · · Score: 5, Insightful

    While you can analyse the numbers that come up, the interesting data isn't usually available to you: namely what numbers people are betting on. For example in the UK lottery it is known that about 10,000 people a week bet on 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. So that automatically is a really bad choice because if that combination came up, you would get £prize / 10,000.

    Example: if lots of people bet on (eg.) birthdays, then you'd expect the people to select numbers > 31 less frequently, which means you could try to cover bets with numbers > 31 and have a greater payout. Without the distribution of betting numbers though you can't tell.

    Rich.

  8. Re:Conclusions... by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Exactly, a couple years back at vegas, the roulette wheel spun black 13 times in a row.

    Thats like 1/.48^13th.

    Random things.. happen.

    Randomly- some poor investing sod out there has made every choice correctly and been hammered by random market events.

    Likewise- some lucky fool (that thinks he is brilliant) has picked google or tasr or crox on some non-logical basis and won big.

    That's why you use Mutual Funds and ETF's. You get average performance. You lose the home runs, but you also lose the strike-outs.

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  9. Re:Conclusions... by joranbelar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Exactly, a couple years back at vegas, the roulette wheel spun black 13 times in a row.

    Thats like 1/48^13.

    Random things.. happen.

    And guess what? Last night in Vegas, the roulette wheel spun this:

    Red, Black, Black, Red, Black, Red, Red, Black, Red, Red, Red, Black, Red.

    That's like 1/.48^13th.

    A lot of people would be better off in understanding "randomness" if they would just realize that these two situations have exactly the same probability. Humans just assign more "meaning" to certain sequences than others.
  10. Interesting scam based on that by A+nonymous+Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I was quite amused when I first heard of it. I d onot know if it has ever actually been done, however.

    Pick some random stock, send email to 2*10 suckers that it will go up, and to an equal number of suckers that it will go down.

    Whichever direction it moves, divide that batch of suckers in two, pick some other random stock, send half email taht it will go up and half email that it goes down.

    Repeat until you have only a few suckers left. They will see you as a genius who has correctly predicted the last {n} stock moves correctly. It may be the final sucker, or the last 2, or 4, etc.

    Now tout a stock you have just bought and make some money!