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China's President Hu Talks IT Warfare
narramissic writes "In his keynote speech at the Communist Party Congress in October China's president Hu Jintao was specific in his references to one area of IT: defense. 'We must build strong armed forces through science and technology. To attain the strategic objective of building computerized armed forces and winning IT-based warfare, we will accelerate composite development of mechanization and computerization, carry out military training under IT-based conditions, modernize every aspect of logistics, intensify our efforts to train a new type of high-caliber military personnel in large numbers and change the mode of generating combat capabilities.'"
... , for instance at this place, where we have, as only one example of a high ranking AI-researcher, Dr. Feiyue Wang, Chinese Academy of Sciences (also advisor to the government), who does interesting research like, e.g. "Pedestrian Detection from a Moving Vehicle" (translate for yourself). I had this person on the radar earlier.
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No one can win in "IT warfare" because no matter what you do, as long as someone has the desire to, they will hack and crack it. Think about the iPod's checksum, it was defeated within a few days. HD-DVD and DVDs are cracked and some are reporting Blu-Ray cracked too. And for "skills" in IT, think about how "high tech" America is, yet the average consumer doesn't know any more then how to use an iPod, get around in Word and surf the net, and whenever MS or Apple comes out with a new version we spend millions for "retraining" the fact is, unless you know how to program, and how things work (technically not just that an iPod plays music from a hard drive to your speakers) you can never succeed, the fact is that in IT and the internet, anyone can succeed not just one class/country and right now the "geeks" are dominating not the FBI, CIA or any other government, its the geeks that will win just give it some time. Already there is a "class devision" in technology, some people know how to install RAM, install Linux, use Linux, fix a broken hard drive, how USB and other peripherals work and some spend over $500 on a proprietary OS that doesn't even hardly fit their needs and tech support to fix what they break. Nothing other then the open-sourcing of all code will change that. Just wait 5 years and the average /. reader will have the skills needed to thrive and those who have spent thousands going to "business school" will be working in a way for the "geeks"
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Sure he doesn't work in marketing?
Well, in a manner of speaking, he does work in marketing. He is pitching his sales strategy to his customers who buy into it by supporting him, continuing to approve of his policies, and ultimately keep him in power. I am not certain, but if I had to guess I would say that the unique and opaque culture of the Chinese government bureaucracy, complete with back room deals, shifting political allegiances, corruption, the gulag, and all the intrigues that accompany any non-representative government, whether it be an oriental despotism like the Byzantine Empire or a modern scientific socialism like China (at least officially), is a major contributing factor in the copious amount of nauseating and pompous bullshit bingo which emerges in these quinquennal (occuring once every five years) meetings of the Congress of People's Deputies (I think that is what they call themselves). Compared with these guys, the US presidential candidates are downright honest, frank, and forthcoming.
I think it's obvious that what President Hu is talking about isn't necessarily "cyberwar" (I.T. as we've come to think of it in the U.S.), but the same sort of "networked warfare" that the Pentagon has been spewing about for the last several years. Everyone has recognized that the U.S. dominance on the battlefield is a result of our technological edge, in particular the use of computers and digital communications. China is going to want to replicate that in their own armed forces if they want to remain militarily relevant.
Right now, the United States could probably easily win a non-nuclear war with a highly conventional army like China's. If China is going to exercise its own strategic initiative, it needs to build up a deterrent against the U.S., and that means improving its military technology--especially in the area of computerization ("I.T.").
well that's just dumb. In war you've gotta have some balls! Enough citizens and businesses in China have a valid copy of a windows OS that if Microsoft released a China only windows update that wipes their hard drives, so many businesses would fail, it would kill their economy like throwing a grenade at a groundhog. I mean just think, if 1% of all business computers in China had a legitimate copy of windows and downloaded and installed the update, that could be like the utilities going down or major nationwide companies or airports. You can't just turn off a lot of companies for a few days or weeks. Everything would melt into chaos.
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You seem to think that the battlefield will exist in the same way physical ones do.
The IT battlefield is quite different... it involves infecting Windows PCs with worms a la Storm, creating back doors into databases so that you know what the enemy is doing before they do, etc. It doesn't involve (primarily) using Chinese IP addresses to deface the white house web page.
The Chinese know how to manipulate information to alter reality. They are much better at this than countries like the US (although I think the US government is improving in this area). THIS is the IT battlefield; manipulation of information and perception.
that's like saying that if you don't know how to disassemble an internel combustion engine, you'll never be able to drive anywhere
the computer is just a tool. knowing how the tool works means you'll make a good salary, not run the world. you're an engineer, not a leader
it is in fact a mark of your naivete that you think mastery of a computer means mastery of the real world
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
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Presumably he was speaking in Chinese and this is just a translation with added bullshit to emphasize the China = Evil viewpoint.
Considering I have a hard time understanding your post, could it be because they couldn't understand your guidelines?
Those who can, do. Those who can't, sue.
Manipulating information and perception will only increase distrust and dissent when you have an opposition like the FOSS or Truth movement analyzing your every move.
If SCO, Microsoft, and the US Government can't do it by now, what makes you think they could tomorrow? They have all the money in the world, yet they can't convince me with their propoganda. Why is that? Because they lack credibility. At this rate they will never have it.
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I don't know about you, but I believe the law of conservation of momentum. The only way they will win their argument is to eliminate our freedom. But then the debate is over, and I don't think anyone wants that. I personally enjoy the debate.
But China is a bit different, I don't know.
How would you feel if the shoe was on the other foot, with a satanist saying you should be "perfected", that Christians don't really know god, etc.
Anyone who really loved someone wouldn't do what Coulter does. She doesn't love jews. Love includes respect. And that includes respect for their choices - including religion - not going around saying "we're the Fed-Ex to God", and that jews, or any other people, need to be "perfected". That implies 2 things - that Coulter believes she's "perfected" and others aren't.
If Coulter really wants to get people to convert, she should walk the walk, not talk the talk. And the first step would be to foreswear going around throwing gasoline everywhere and trying to strike sparks. Her brand of christianity is the "resounding like a hollow gong" mentioned in 1 Cor 13.
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...more likely the other way around. The USA is the world's aggressor now, you know.
But the said software and network equipment are going to be made in China in the first place, good luck trying to stop the Chinese from using their own products by not "exporting" to them.
Now, I do not speak any form of Chinese, but I have read a damn lot of Engrish. Especially given the surrounding statements, this sounds like he's talking about computerizing the army. Just because the word IT is mentioned doesn't make it cyberwarfare. My impression of his remarks as quoted in the article is that he wants Chinese soldiers to have similar capabilties as US forces are. There's just too little information, the terms are NOT the standard english phrases that would be used to describe it, so I suspect a bad translation and assumptions went into making this article. I would want a tranlator WELL fluent in both Enlgish and Chinese to affirm that the Chinese words here translated as "IT based warfare" meant "cyberwarefare" and not "computer assisted soldiering".
Everyone knows China as the world's foremost assholes already
No, everyone does not know this. The US and the UK invaded Iraq at the cost of hundreds of thousands if not millions of lives. I am not defending China here, but from where I am sitting, they're not invading and killing as much.
I want to think and do and say as I fuckin feel like, within the limits of law
Don't you realise they're just different laws? Many people in Europe think it's repressive to require women to cover their breasts on the beach. Many people in America think it's repressive to require women to cover their faces in the street.
Freedom is far from absolute. People are quick to jump on something that they consider wrong.
...more likely the other way around. The USA is the world's aggressor now, you know.
It's a shame that we are not more so. Maybe we could have stopped things like the Darfur or Rwanda massacres. Then again, even though we do have the world's largest military, we can't do it all without a little help. Hell, if we even got a little moral support it would go a long way. Instead, we get people from pussy nations like yours that want to debate everything at the UN while men, women and children are dying... quite literally. When was the last time a UN resolution saved anyone's life? When was the last time a debate convinced a dictator that holding and torturing political prisoners isn't a good thing? When was the last time the UN sent peace keepers to a nation and was actually able to keep the peaces. Last I heard, they either stood around within their walls and watched thugs steal the food the UN was trying to provide, run at the first sign of danger, or... and this is my favorite, rape the people they were sent to protect. Sorry to bring you back to real world, but sometimes you have to kick some ass to get things done. Asking nicely doesn't always work.
Finally, if you read your comment, you are defending a country that gives no human rights to its citizens. You are defending a country that literally rolled out tanks against an unarmed population. It limits the news, strips the Internet of any information that may be critical of the government and not just invades, but occupies foreign countries with no intention of ever leaving. I am the only one who sees the irony here?
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Absolutely. But Russia may refuse to sell — out of nationalist pride or something else. And then things may get ugly.
A "main threat" where? Japan (itself the number one threat in the East only 70 years ago, BTW) has nothing to fear from the West. Neither does India. Certainly not Taiwan nor South Korea. North Korea or Myanmar — maybe, although the neo-Conservative idea of improving a country by imposing Democracy on it has been disgraced by the rather poor execution in Iraq...
Vietnam — not really, their Communists are increasingly pragmatic. All of them have seen, what happened to Tibet...
Russia (itself a threat to most of its neighbors, BTW) may be beating its chest against "the West", but the West will be much happier buying stuff from them — we don't need their land. But China does.
You changed the subject from who may be the target of China's military, to whether or not "the West" is a bigger threat. I don't think, it is — and I just explained why — but I will not continue. You, clearly, have a different agenda...
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