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US Consumers Clueless About Online Tracking

Arashtamere writes "A study on consumer perceptions about online privacy, undertaken by the Samuelson Clinic at the University of California and the Annenberg Public Policy Center, found that the average American consumer is largely unaware that every move they make online can be, and often is, tracked by online marketers and advertising networks. Those surveyed showed little knowledge on the extent to which online tracking is happening or how the information obtained can be used. More than half of those surveyed — about 55 percent — falsely assumed that a company's privacy polices prohibited it from sharing their addresses and purchases with affiliated companies. Nearly four out of 10 online shoppers falsely believed that a company's privacy policy prohibits it from using information to analyze an individuals' activities online. And a similar number assumed that an online privacy policy meant that a company they're doing business with wouldn't collect data on their online activities and combine it with other information to create a behavioral profile."

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  1. Disclaimers aside... by SIGALRM · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Dear online marketer,

    Privacy is about more than legal compliance, it's fundamentally about user trust. Be transparent with your users about your privacy practices. If your users don't trust you, you're out of business.

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    1. Re:Disclaimers aside... by drdanny_orig · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I think you missed the point. Joe Consumer does trust Mr. Marketer, but that trust is misplaced. The problem isn't lack of transparency: it's that Joe Consumer actually doesn't really give a shit one way or the other.

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    2. Re:Disclaimers aside... by clsours · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If your users don't trust you, you're out of business.
      Unfortunately, this shows that the users do not know enough not to trust online services. Also unfortunately, (often) the only way to remove yourself from the grasp of these people is to opt out of their services, which is bad business and bad service.
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    3. Re:Disclaimers aside... by mrbluze · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The problem isn't lack of transparency: it's that Joe Consumer actually doesn't really give a shit one way or the other. The same way Joe Consumer has been done over by the banks. Of course he doesn't really feel it yet.
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    4. Re:Disclaimers aside... by Anonymous+Crowhead · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Joe Consumer actually doesn't really give a shit one way or the other.

      This is what your run-of-the-mill Slashbot fails to grasp. Most people just don't care. And any attempt at educating family and friends (or the masses) goes in one ear and out the other.

    5. Re:Disclaimers aside... by calebt3 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Oh, we know. We observe it every time we fix their malware-ridden computers.

    6. Re:Disclaimers aside... by hedwards · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That is if you can figure out where to opt out of the service. I habitually block third party cookies and have any session cookies set to be deleted at the end of the session. I'll allow a few cookies to set up permanent residence, but only if I think that it is in my best interest rather than some advertiser that isn't securing my data. And it is my data, they may have collected it, but it belongs to me.

      I'm probably still being tracked its just that the amount of tracking info is limited to 1 session. The irritating thing tends to be the targeted crap ads that crash the browser or the flash ads that randomly expand to cover most of the screen, with a nonstandard way of closing them.

      I'd like a opt out list, I'm not hopeful, as I wouldn't trust such a set up to begin with.

    7. Re:Disclaimers aside... by Zalbik · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is what your run-of-the-mill Slashbot fails to grasp. Most people just don't care. And any attempt at educating family and friends (or the masses) goes in one ear and out the other.


      Heck, I not only don't care. I don't understand people who do.

      Exactly what is the issue with advertisers using this information to create a behavioural profile? These are all behaviours you are exhibiting in public. Believe it or not, your friends, co-workers, and the cute blonde waitress at the coffee shop have all created "behavioural profiles" of you based on your actions.

      It's what we do. If you are so ashamed of what you've purchased or looked at...my suggestion is to stop doing it, or get some counseling.

      Of course, this will quite likely be responded to by some idiotic "slippery slope" type argument....
    8. Re:Disclaimers aside... by Wildclaw · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I prefere getting the tampon commercials. Atleast that way I am not brainwashed into buying something I otherwise wouldn't. Of course, the optimal solution to avoid the subtle brainwashing is to use adblocking and adskipping to avoid ads completly.

      And, no I don't think brainwashing is a harsh word to use. Ads are designed specially to make you buy products you otherwise wouldn't, mostly by making you feel more familiar and comfortable with the product. Many slashdot readers probably think that they are above getting tricked by commercials, but that is the delusion that adcompanies want you to believe. Intelligence doesn't matter into it, because ads plays on more primal instincts. The only way to get away from it is to avoid the ads completly.

      One common argument for ads is that they inform you of products, but that is a very weak argument. Ads are very rarely informative. Information in general is better left to 3d party reviews. Of course, with the reach of todays marketing departments it is difficult to know how influenced the 3d party reviewers are, but it is atleast trying.

      So how do this tie in with online tracking. It is simple, The more accuratly that they can advertise products that you could be convinced into buying, the more powerfully they are able to change your opinions.

    9. Re:Disclaimers aside... by plasmacutter · · Score: 3, Insightful

      it's very simple.

      It's the direct equivalent to conducting focused surveillance on you, your family, your friends. This is normally the domain of the police, and PI's who do it have to obide by license terms, but suddenly technology has reduced the cost to a point private companies can now do it.

      it's outrageous, and represents and invasion of privacy.
      If individuals do it instead of corporations they are subjected to prosecution under anti-stalking laws, but apparently you think it's fine as long as it's a corporation.

      Finally, allowing corporations to sell/share this data and not invoking constitutional rights to privacy (think of precedents regarding segregation and bathroom cams), these corporations can then sell this behavioral profile to the government uncontested, allowing them to keep orwellian fbi files on you a-la j edgar hoover and the mccarthy era. ( I think they already do)

      it's not a tinfoil hat slippery slope argument, it's established fact. A corporation will abuse everything they possibly can to pursue profit until they are affirmatively told "NO, and if you continue you will face criminal and civil penalties"

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    10. Re:Disclaimers aside... by DerekLyons · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And, no I don't think brainwashing is a harsh word to use. Ads are designed specially to make you buy products you otherwise wouldn't, mostly by making you feel more familiar and comfortable with the product. Many slashdot readers probably think that they are above getting tricked by commercials, but that is the delusion that adcompanies want you to believe. Intelligence doesn't matter into it, because ads plays on more primal instincts. The only way to get away from it is to avoid the ads completly.

      That would explain why I've spend hundreds, nay thousands of dollars purchasing items I don't need over the last year - because I've been seduced by the advertising I'm exposed to daily.
       
      Oh, wait. I haven't.
       
       

      I prefere getting the tampon commercials. Atleast that way I am not brainwashed into buying something I otherwise wouldn't. Of course, the optimal solution to avoid the subtle brainwashing is to use adblocking and adskipping to avoid ads completly.

      I suspect you are projecting your own weaknesses onto other people.
    11. Re:Disclaimers aside... by Wildclaw · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "That would explain why I've spend hundreds, nay thousands of dollars purchasing items I don't need over the last year - because I've been seduced by the advertising I'm exposed to daily.

      Oh, wait. I haven't."

      Of course not. The point of advertising isn't to convince you to buy products that you never would buy otherwise. Most everyone could see through that. The real point of advertising a product, is that the next time you go to the store to buy a product of that type, you will buy the advertised brand instead of the competitors brand, based on a sense of familarity, instead of any better considerations.

      And I would be very surprised if you were somehow immune to it. Everyone thinks they are, but it is rarely the case. If you are the exception, I have to apologize.

    12. Re:Disclaimers aside... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      it's outrageous, and represents and invasion of privacy.
      If individuals do it instead of corporations they are subjected to prosecution under anti-stalking laws, but apparently you think it's fine as long as it's a corporation.


      The problem is that everything you do online is a two-party transaction and inherently not "private" in the sense of using the restroom or writing in your diary. The other party in the transaction certainly has a right to remember it, and "mining" that data is little different than the store clerk remembering that you've bought all of Neal Stephenson's books and pointing out that a new one was just released. When humans do this, it's called service and is a highly sought feature. Not everyone wants to get his hair cut by a different, anonymous machine every month.

      Here's the part I don't get: a lot of privacy advocates compare this customer tracking to "focused, personal surveillance," as though a machine keeping track of you and 200 million other people somehow has the same sense of exposure as having Sam Spade camped outside your door. For me, the scale of this vast conspiracy of internet trackers carries its own inherent anonymity. If I get a Viagra ad, it's not because some guy knows I browsed a pr0n site last week, it's because some algorithm, weighted by advertiser sales, weighted my history that way. My privacy only feels invaded if there is judgment or unfair advantage involved.

    13. Re:Disclaimers aside... by e-scetic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      One common argument for ads is that they inform you of products, but that is a very weak argument. Ads are very rarely informative. Information in general is better left to 3d party reviews. Of course, with the reach of todays marketing departments it is difficult to know how influenced the 3d party reviewers are, but it is atleast trying.

      But see, how can they deliver informative ads if they can't track what you're doing? If you're looking for a doohickey and search for it online, it's convenient to you (and the advertiser) if the ads which appeared for you happened to be for doohickies. Why waste people's times with irrelevant ads, better to target them to the audience that wants them.

  2. U. S. Consumers Clueless ... by tomhudson · · Score: 2, Interesting

    >" US Consumers Clueless About Online Tracking"

    US Consumers Clueless.

    There, fixed it for you.

    Really, its not just online tracking ... there are SO many things, from food packaging and labeling to software to car mileage figures to taxes to rights.

    1. Re:U. S. Consumers Clueless ... by feepness · · Score: 2, Informative

      US Consumers Clueless. There, fixed it for you. Consumers Clueless

      There, fixed it for you without being a troll.
    2. Re:U. S. Consumers Clueless ... by smardrengr · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's true. But tracking *things* has different implications than tracking *people*. When tracking something that is fairly disconnected from individuals, such as vehicle mileage, it's less intrusive than tracking people by, say, the cell phone (which is tracking a thing, but feels very much like an invasion of privacy to most). When you track somthing like purchasing habits, you are in a sense monitoring behaviour, which is getting closer to tracking the person, a la 1984. But not all tracking is evil. I've been noticing an increasing number of cases where companyies' safety or productivity concerns with drivers leads to an adoption of GPS vehicle tracking in fleet vehicles. Employees first resist, then accept it as a fact of life (hey, they are company vehicles, what are you going to do?). But then something unexpected happens--company vehicle is stolen--and then gets recovered (along with the thief), in less than an hour. In such cases, no one complains about tracking, since it has benefitted the company, the employee (he can still work), and society (one less car thief to worry about). A couple interesting newscasts on such events: http://www.gpspolice.com/videos/ Oh yeah, and you gotta love that this potential "invasion of privacy" (vehicle tracking system) enables the one employee to get his [stolen] dog back. ...Smar

    3. Re:U. S. Consumers Clueless ... by tomhudson · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You're absolutely right. Pretty much all consumers are clueless. No wonder - their chief source of information about a product is advertising.

      Look at how many by sugar water labeled as "Grape Drink" or "Orange Drink", thinking that there must be real juice in it, because they won't take the time to read the label, and manufacturers aren't required to state in bold letters "THIS IS NOT REAL FRUIT JUICE". Or "Best mileage in its class!" - which really means "it sucks gas, so we made a 'class' with others that suck even more for bogus comparison purposes". Or "dermatologist - recommended". Or the P4s that were, clock tick for clock tick, slower than the P3s, but would "enhance your multimedia experience."

      Maybe public education should include classes in Critical Analysis of Ad Claims 101 and Weasel Word Composition.

    4. Re:U. S. Consumers Clueless ... by tomhudson · · Score: 5, Funny

      ... psst ... I wasn't referring to tracking mileage - I was referring to bogus mileage estimates. you know - estimated miles per gallon your results may vary test simulates an ideal road with the car going downhill 4 midgets pushing and tires inflated to 120 psi to reduce rolling resistance all stops eliminated from route ambient temperature of 68 degrees F. engine previously warmed up to operating temperature consult your doctor if erection persists more than 48 hours.

    5. Re:U. S. Consumers Clueless ... by Assassin+bug · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ... and we are all consumers.

  3. Who did this study? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    The Department of the Obvious?

  4. But... by Jmanamj · · Score: 2, Funny

    But I can just change my browser options to "don't save filled forms" and all the stuff I search for on Google isn't saved right?

    Nobody could ever get that information.

  5. astonishing by BenVis · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I am not sure which is more astonishing: That so few people have bothered to read the privacy policies of the web sites they frequent, or that there are people who think the solution is legislation.

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    1. Re:astonishing by mrbluze · · Score: 4, Insightful

      [astonishing ...] there are people who think the solution is legislation

      A very valid point. The solutions to most of the Internet's privacy problems lie in software design, such as default encryption and anomymizing of traffic. Although nobody can force Microsoft to create a half decent browser, or anything else for that matter, we can at least encourage open source software developers to reduce the end-user's internet fingerprint. Sure, anyone who is interested in not being followed around on the 'net can achieve this by installing a couple of firefox plugins and so on, but the way for the privacy conscious to protect themselves best is to encourage everyone else to do the same.

      If we consider privacy infringement being akin to getting syphilis, then apart from not using the internet (abstinence), or installing and configuring extra software (condoms, which fall off, or don't get used in the first place), the only option is to supply people with genitalia which is pre-shrink-wrapped, if you get my drift.

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  6. In Canada ... by debrain · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ... the consumers would be correct.

  7. US consumers are clueless about technology by webmaster404 · · Score: 3, Informative

    US consumers are clueless about technology in general. If you would ask the average person if they know simple computer concepts such as partitioning and operating systems they are clueless, never mind how the Internet works. Many times, I have been malevolent tech support (face it, we all have had to fill that role) and people couldn't tell me what the operating system they were running was! They were even more clueless about the processor they were running despite a bold sticker telling you on your computer case. So how can consumers be assumed to know a thing about the internet when most can't even tell you what OS they are running.

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    1. Re:US consumers are clueless about technology by the+angrybaby · · Score: 3, Funny

      So true about the OS thing...One time this guy told me that NORTON was his operating system.

    2. Re:US consumers are clueless about technology by mh1997 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They were even more clueless about the processor they were running
      Tell me about it, I worked at this gas station when I was a teenager and people would come in and fill up the tank without the least bit of knowledge how gasoline was refined, or if their OBDC used SAE J1850 VPW or SAE J1850 PWM communication patterns.

      You'd think that if someone is going to buy a car, that they would know everything a certified mechanic knew.

      Or, maybe the people that you talked to when you were tech support were just using their computers for entertainment and have neither the need nor the desire to "get under the hood" of the computer.

      Typically people in tech support forget that they are paid to support the person calling them, not the other way around. I understand dealing with the public can be a pain in the ass, but if you don't like it, do your profession and the public a favor and quit.

    3. Re:US consumers are clueless about technology by onefriedrice · · Score: 3, Insightful

      > US consumers are clueless about technology in general. If you would ask the average
      > person if they know simple computer concepts such as partitioning and operating systems...

      As a tech person, perhaps you think regular consumers should be able to partition their hard drives, but for most people computers and hi-tech gadgets are tools no matter how prevalent or even how important they are in our lives. They don't care how their hard drives are virtually divided for use by their OS, and why should they? I know how it works because I'm interested in technology and I chose to program computers, but I know this is not what life is about.

      Perhaps it is ridiculous for people not to know what operating system they run, but again why should they care? It's a tool they use to type stuff, check email, and surf the web, and even when it doesn't work, they just want somebody to make it work again. They don't want to know anything about it, and ideally they shouldn't need to know anything about it. All they should have to know is how to make it do what they want.

      Hopefully we can get software to the point that it is that simple to use. Of course you and me can continue to hack at our command lines, but I don't see a problem with people only being concerned with what they want to be concerned with, and that often does not include knowing how to partition hard drives.

      Now going back to the topic and on the other hand, I definitely think people should be fully aware of who has access to information about them. This is completely different from consumers needing to know about technology.

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    4. Re:US consumers are clueless about technology by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Funny

      Is that in any way better than:

      Word
      Office
      Intel
      IBM
      "the one with the icons"

      or my personal favorite

      "What do you mean "which one?", I have a computer!"

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    5. Re:US consumers are clueless about technology by Pie-rate · · Score: 2, Funny

      "- How to text and talk on the cell phone, even in stores and while standing in line.
      - How to drive like an asshole"
      Don't forget:
      - How to drive and talk or even drive and text at the same time.

      Oh, and generalizations make you a moron, which means you clearly belong here in the USA. Please report to the nearest airport. (On the off chance that you're a durkadurkasthani, try not to bomb it)

      Why yes, I did just contradict myself 3 or more times. I can't be bothered to count, though, and I probably wouldn't be able to because I'm american.

    6. Re:US consumers are clueless about technology by MikShapi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Pardon, but do you have any clue how the SIM card in your phone or the data stripe on your credit card are partitioned? Do you care, regardless of how important a phone or a credit card is to you? no. It's a black box. It does its job.
      Does that make you any more clueless? no. Simply uninterested in the workings of a particular bit of technology. Just as you can point to things those people are disinterested in figuring out in a higher level of detail, I can find a similar number of things you would be disinterested in too.

      I'm a sysadmin/coder who studies biochemistry. Chances are you can't explain how, say, a simple battery or perhaps a fuel cell works on a biochemical level. I can. So? Am I better than you? less clueless than you? What can I infer about you from this? Nothing really. Chances are I know stuff you don't, you know stuff I don't, and the users you bash know shit neither of us does.

      From your wild proclamations about users you really want to feel smarter than, I can, however, infer about you quite a bit.

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    7. Re:US consumers are clueless about technology by msimm · · Score: 2, Insightful

      [BLANK] consumers tend to be indifferent. Political apathy aside, there's a limit to how well the average person should need to understand every tool. After all, I think it's important that some people take up other interests. Some people become doctors and I don't think I should have to know brain surgery myself. I don't fix my car. I can't fly a plane. I can't keep wood for the duration of an adult movie shoot. But I don't think everyone should have to. Can we please stop with the juvenile 'I know technology so everyone should' mind-set? There's a value in variety that should not be overlooked.

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    8. Re:US consumers are clueless about technology by BronsCon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And that never happens?

      I think it would have done more good to ask GP whether people should learn how to use and maintain their hammers, screwdrivers, wrenches, or even guns, before being allowed to potentially do serious damage to themselves or others with them.

      And with that, I'll pose that question. So, onefriedrice, should they? And, if so, why, then, should they not learn the basics of, and how to use and maintain their multi-ton killing machinnes (vehicles) or machines capable of being hijacked and used to, collectively, cost businesses and governments (read: consumers and citizens, you don't truly believe the B's and G's are conna eat that cost, do you?) billions of dollars?

      That's right; botnets not only slow down one person's computer, they slow down, at the very least, an entire network segment of an ISP while they're being used for an attack. They cost that ISP money. If the user is on metered bandwidth, they cost the user money. If they are used to DDoS a government, they cost that government money in bandwidth costs; a business, the same, plus lost sales. If they are used to hack in and steal banking or credit information, they cost untold numbers of people untold amounts of money.

      People need to be educated about these things because that money doesn't just appear in their pockets and that loss doesn't disappear from their accounting. The losses are passed directly onto us, citizens and consumers, through higher taxes and prices.

      While we're educating, let's make sure they know which end of the gun is supposed to be facing them when they pull the trigger. For some, this will be the muzzle, for others, this will be the butt.

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    9. Re:US consumers are clueless about technology by Nazlfrag · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm not kidding, I have a luser with the exact same issue, refuses to say what OS/browser anything identifiable except Norton. I guess that in-your-face-worse-than-any-virus-known-to-mankind technology pays off in brand recognition.

      Anyway, please, I'm begging you, how did you solve this? And I've unfortunately already ruled out homicide.

  8. Not just online tracking... by LinuxGeek · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Does everyone think that Walmart and every other large retailer doesn't track the purchases made with the same credit/debit card? When you use a single identifiable item for so many things, it makes your behavior very easy to predict and to take advantage of. Say hello to Big Visa.

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    1. Re:Not just online tracking... by scribblej · · Score: 4, Informative

      I am in the credit-card processing business.

      I can tell you that as popular as this myth is, VISA is not generally able to track what you purchase. Generally, all they know is where you shopped and how much you spent, not what individual items you spent on.

      The nearest there is to an exception to this is in hotels and fleet card purchases -- in the case of Hotels, VISA gets a breakdown of what money was spent on the room vs the room service vs the hotel lobby store, etc. Still doesn't know what actual items were purchased, but they do get told your check-in and check-out dates and some other things. For fleet card they might get told how many gallons of gas you purchased, but that's about it.

      I know, I grew up thinking VISA was watching me, too, but it turns out it's just not watching that closesly. It doesn't have the capability; the protocols whereby credit card information are transferred just don't have any specification for that level of reporting.

  9. No Real Surprise by snl2587 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Nearly four out of 10 online shoppers falsely believed that a company's privacy policy prohibits it from using information to analyze an individuals' activities online.
    This isn't particularly surprising. How many people actually read the privacy policies?
    1. Re:No Real Surprise by pete6677 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Better yet, how many people think privacy policies actually mean anything? Ever read one? The whole thing contradicts itself in so much legalese. It states that your information won't be given out, and then describes exactly how it will be given out (to anyone who pays for it).

  10. i keep waiting for the day by circletimessquare · · Score: 3, Insightful

    that a massive wave of realization crosses the minds of the average slashdot reader/ editor: the average guy on the street doesn't care. some slashdot readers are shocked, shocked i tell you, to find out that a lot of people don't treat their private life with the security protocols of a swiss bank. because they simply don't care

    and honestly? i side with the average guy on the street with (non)this issue. the average guy on the street looks at the data generated from his random meanderings on the web as useless, unimportant, and not a matter of privacy. and you know what?: he's right. frankly, that some database might know what i visited on eBay, then amazon.com, then netflix is not some horrible raping of my psyche. it really isn't

    someone could track the wanderings of people around the supermarket too. is that information deeply personal to you? it is? so then that means you define your deeply personal identity based on what aisle you walk down in in the supermarket? pffft

    then they use that information to pitch DVD titles at you, or pasta, or a hallmark card

    oh my god. some database knows i bought pepto bismol. now it wants to sell me toilet paper. MY PERSONAL IDENTITY HAS BEEN HORRIBLY RAPED. I HAVE BEEN DEHUMANIZED AND DEMEANED. MY SENSE OF SELF-WORTH IS LOWERED. IT'S ORWELL'S 1984

    pfffffffffft

    next nonissue please

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    1. Re:i keep waiting for the day by Jaerin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Read the article or not, I don't care either...

      Sensationalist privacy zealots are afraid of their own shadow. They live in a world that is about to break down their door for god only knows or cares what. Why the paranoia? Are you doing something that someone should care about?

      I look at porn, I shop online, I've bought a butt plug online before...do you feel more powerful for knowing that? Do I feel guilty, ashamed, or concerned with the fact that you know this? No, so why would anyone else care? If someone really did care, that means I have a stalker, and I think it's kinda cool if I had a real stalker. I little creeped out, but still strangely proud.

      Go about your business, live your life, let everyone else live theirs, and spend more time changing the things that are going to make your life suck like the fact that our planet is about to push the big reset button if we don't get our shit together.

    2. Re:i keep waiting for the day by garcia · · Score: 4, Insightful

      and honestly? i side with the average guy on the street with (non)this issue. the average guy on the street looks at the data generated from his random meanderings on the web as useless, unimportant, and not a matter of privacy. and you know what?: he's right. frankly, that some database might know what i visited on eBay, then amazon.com, then netflix is not some horrible raping of my psyche. it really isn't

      It isn't when it's some third-party non-important entity looking at your surfing habits. However, it is very much an issue when the government decides that because you are waiving your Constitutional rights they can subpoena that same information to use as part of their illegal nationwide net of information on citizens.

      I'm sorry if YOU are lumped in with the general uncaring public about something that shouldn't be the business of any group of Marketers, government agencies, or anyone except /dev/null but you're fucking insane if you don't think it's important to protect your privacy.

      Thanks for offering me the chance to bite, I enjoy it sometimes.

    3. Re:i keep waiting for the day by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 5, Insightful

      oh my god. some database knows i bought pepto bismol. now it wants to sell me toilet paper. MY PERSONAL IDENTITY HAS BEEN HORRIBLY RAPED. I HAVE BEEN DEHUMANIZED AND DEMEANED. MY SENSE OF SELF-WORTH IS LOWERED. IT'S ORWELL'S 1984 Due to your regular purchasing of Pepto Bismal we have increased your HPPR (Health Problem Probability Rating) for gastrointestinal cancer to the high-risk group. Consquently we are increasing your health insurance premium by $200/month to compensate.

      If you are not the normal consumer of your Pepto Dismal purchases, please fill out the attached "Not A Regular Consumer" form to identify said user and your HPPR will be returned to the normal-risk group.

      Sincerely,
      Your Health Insurance Extortionist
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    4. Re:i keep waiting for the day by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I look at porn, I shop online, I've bought a butt plug online before...do you feel more powerful for knowing that? No, but you should feel a whole hell of a lot weaker.

      You can never have a career in public politics.
      When times are tough and you find yourself desperate enough to take any job to feed your children, you won't have a chance at companies run by members of the 'moral majority' who decide to do background checks.

      Pray you are lucky enough that neither of those, nor any number of other scenarios ever come about for you personally. But unless the useful idiots like yourself get a clue, its guaranteed to happen to more than enough people to damage our society.
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  11. important moral question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Dear Slashdot,

    I'm in a quandry. I see policemen beating lawyers on the streets in Pakistan.

    How should I be feeling?

    Thanks,

    A concerned citizen.

  12. My worst offender? ACLU! by mi · · Score: 5, Informative

    When donating them money in 2006, I specified a "special" address, which contained "from ACLU" in the "Line 1" of the address. The actual address went to "Line 2" of their form. I do this with all establishments I'm dealing with — just in case.

    A month or so later invitations to subscribe to "The Nation" (a disgusting uber-Left rag) started showing up bearing the "from ACLU" address...

    Now, I expected the ACLU to be bi-partisan — and concerned with my privacy. Asking me for money the next year is fair game. But sharing my info with other — completely unrelated — organizations? Very disappointing...

    Somehow, nothing but parcels from Amazon has shown up bearing the "from Amazon" address.

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    1. Re:My worst offender? ACLU! by Brandybuck · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Now, I expected the ACLU to be bi-partisan...

      Hah!

      ...and concerned with my privacy.

      Hah! Hah!

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  13. Not a surprise, but by pcause · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It isn't a surprise, becuase if people understood how much is tracked and what companies like Google know about them, there would be outrage. No one should have the level of detailed information about a consumer that Google gathers. They know who you email and IM with and about what, what sites you visit, what you buy, what your interests are, where you are and with whom, your stick market interests and investments and more. Even the Soviet era KGB would envy Google data collection and audacity.

    Some (GOogle) will say that the privacy policy explains all this. Humbug! First you have to follow a link to find the policy. Second the lawyers and marketeers have obfuscated what is really being done. Further, they can change the policy without notice. When they change you have to know they have changed and then go and read the new policy. How one is supposed to know when no notice is provided is a mystery.

    All in all, Google is doing a lot of evil if you believe in personal privacy. They are an invasive collector of personal data and they hide the extent and nature of what they are doing. Google makes Microsoft bashful in their business practices.

    1. Re:Not a surprise, but by DrEldarion · · Score: 3, Insightful

      PROTIP: If you don't want someone to have personal information about you, don't give it to them.

  14. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 4, Informative

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  15. AT&T + NSA 0wns all your bases! by Adeptus_Luminati · · Score: 3, Informative

    Privacy Policy or no privacy policy... if you have been surfing US sites in the past few years, the dept of Home Land Security tracked all (and I mean ALL) your information.

    References:
    1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-aQ_o_yi-s
    2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWW09xzJfS0
    3) http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-05-10-nsa_x.htm
    4) http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2006/06/the_newbies_gui.html?entry_id=1510938

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  16. Re:Slashbots Arrogant by tomhudson · · Score: 2, Interesting

    > It's funny how the slashbots think they're so superior and more intelligent than the general public.

    I've spent enough time explaining to others the difference between sugar water labeled "Orange Drink" and real orange juice. Has nothing to do with intelligence, just healthy cynicism and a knowledge of some of the restrictions on labeling which have appeared in the media.

    > Meanwhile you people go apeshit over the latest Apple product, Intel processor or Linux gadget.

    Sorry, but I don't own a single Apple product, and never have. My current cpu is an AMD Sempron 2600 that's on its second motherboard (I don't need the "latest and greatest" - let others pay the premium). Linux gadget? I guess the set-top box qualifies ... all my boxes run linux, so okay, I'll give you that one.

    > Stop being so smug and arrogant, and you might be able to get laid for once in your life.

    Come on, do you expect me to believe the stork brought my kids into the world?

    Look, the fact is that a lot of the consumers out there ARE stupid. They buy stuff they don't even really want. Look at all the phoney claims for shampoos - "the science of silkience - scanner photography reveals blah blah blah ..." "Red bull gives you wings!" Yeah, right, whatever ... but it got people to buy it.

  17. Re:Firefox plugin to scramble marketers' cookies? by number11 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Is there a Firefox plugin that randomly scrambles the data of cookies from known marketers?

    No. But Firefox will let you block the cookies, or automatically erase them when you leave the program. And you can get the TrackMeNot plugin, which makes random searches on different search engines, so that when they pull your record up to see what you've been searching for, the real searches will be lost in the noise.

  18. Customers? by Somecallmechief · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Backtrack a second. I'm not a "customer" until I swipe my card at the checkout line. Prior to that, I'm occupying space and am merely potential. Customers are those who purchase. Everyone else is simply unconverted potential. Step back and approach your disdain from that vantage point.

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  19. Re:These people vote! by plasmacutter · · Score: 2, Interesting

    that is not called fascism, that's called meritocracy

    fascism is characterized by placing the state and corporations over human rights.

    meritocracy involve only allowing credentialed experts in a given field to craft policy for that field, cutting out clueless morons and parties like corporations who are by their very nature amoral and psychopathic, etc.

    yes, the concept is flawed, but at the same time it's not really any more flawed than the concept of representative democratic republics.

    I honestly think that will be the next form of government once governments like the US topple from the burden of self-interested policies and people voting to give themselves money from the treasury.

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  20. You can't make people use encryption by default by Burz · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...at least not safe, verifiable encryption which requires identification.

    Look at the way SSL is mis-used almost constantly across the web. Even most "techies" don't get it because the concepts are counter-intuitive (even if very simple). SSL certificates and CAs were created to ensure that the domain name you typed-in is the real holder of that domain name. But techies generally think that SSL certs were supposed to validate a site's overall identity or business ethics, and they "know" that SSL has "failed" at this, and so they generally omit it (or slag it) instead of properly evangelizing it.

    The product of this misunderstanding: Web users who never bother to check the domain name in the address bar when the lock appears in their browser (if they look for the lock at all). That is how they get phished. There is a reason why the lock appears in the address bar, because it validates that you are connected with the real holder of that address. Whether the people at that address are 'nice', or whether 'ba.com' really stands for your bank is fundamentally up to the user to verify... like getting the phone number of your bank from the back of your credit card or from a bank statement instead of that nice flyer that someone stuffed in your mailbox.

    To have computers check credentials for you would entail turning the Internet into a repressive regime where a central authority tells you who what it thinks is "good, shady or bad". And requiring it for all access would probably move it into the 'opressive' category.

    Be very careful what you wish for here.

  21. My fake mustache by FlopEJoe · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm so ahead of those trackers because I wear my fake mustache and glasses when I buy questionable things on the internets. And they say we're clueless!