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Bill Would Tie Financial Aid To Anti-Piracy Plans

theodp writes "The MPAA is applauding top Democratic politicians for introducing an anti-piracy bill that threatens the nation's colleges with the loss of a $100B a year in federal financial aid should they fail to have a technology plan to combat illegal file sharing. The proposal, which is embedded in a 747-page bill, has alarmed university officials. 'Such an extraordinarily inappropriate and punitive outcome would result in all students on that campus losing their federal financial aid — including Pell grants and student loans that are essential to their ability to attend college, advance their education, and acquire the skills necessary to compete in the 21st-century economy,' said university officials in a letter to Congress. 'Lower-income students, those most in need of federal financial aid, would be harmed most under the entertainment industry's proposal.'"

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  1. When in doubt... by whisper_jeff · · Score: 1, Interesting

    When in doubt, punish everyone - students guilty of illegal downloading and hardworking students who've never downloaded a thing in their life and need loans and grants to be able to afford to go to school alike. Yeah. Great idea that.

  2. As to be expected... by Palpitations · · Score: 5, Interesting

    From the office of naming-things-for-exactly-the-opposite-of-what-they-do:

    This is part of the "College Opportunity and Affordability Act". Mmhmmm. Because the rising cost of higher education, coupled with a failing economy, additional costs for universities, and a chance to deny students financial aid really gives more people opportunities and certainly makes it more affordable.

    The United States is in a race to the bottom. Every great empire falls - I just wish I wasn't stuck in the middle of this one. I'm just glad I'm about to start learning a second language (I know a bit of Spanish, but not enough to call it my second language). Hopefully I'll be able to jump ship before it goes under.

    For many years, I've heard the chants of the "if you don't like it, leave!" crowd. For a long time, I fought back. I believed that the right thing to do if you loved America was to not leave, but to fight for a better nation. I'm afraid I've lost that faith. Unless things drastically change over the next few years, as a freedom loving individual, I'm sad to say I'll have no choice but to leave and watch the country implode from the sidelines.

    1. Re:As to be expected... by elixin77 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's really sad that this nation has come to this. The US has never had a decent congress ever since the mid 60's at the latest; most of the representatives and senators are corrupt, doing everything in their power to remain in office, and not getting a damn thing done. Me and my girlfriend are sick of this bullshit. I used to believe that congress was there "for the good of the country," and all that bullshit. Now, congress is "how much money can I make on top of my already ridiculous income?" We've both given up on this country, and we are moving as soon as we can afford to. I'm sick of this nation. I used to love it, now I despise it. I think I'm starting to understand why the world hates us...

    2. Re:As to be expected... by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Hate to tell you, but it ain't much different elsewhere.

      After WW2, my home country was destroyed. Economically, socially, politically. But we had one thing we lack severely today: Top grade politicians. Many of them returning from concentration camps (and there finding out that their political opponent ain't so bad after all, he was there with them). Our president gave a stirring speech for Christmas 45 which still gives you shivers when you hear it. Basically, he said he got nothing to give. There ain't anything. There's no food, no coal, no clothing, no housing, but please, please believe in this country.

      People listened. And people did. People believed in their politicians and people believed in themselves. They took up the task and rebuilt it, and today we're one of the top countries of the world.

      Those were also the people who held the country together when Russia and the US were trying to tear it apart. One of them died in office, quite literally, because offered the choice between recovering his health and continuing his work he chose the latter, knowing that Molotov would not negotiate with anyone but him.

      Politicians are role models, whether they want to be or not. If you got good, honest, upright politicians who lead the country with example, people will follow suit. Nobody would dare living on social wellfare because it would be socially inacceptable to do that if you could work.

      Crooked politicians produce crooked people. Because, hell, if he can do it, why can't I? Besides, he's raking in a few millions, where's the damage if I get a few hundred bucks from a little tax evasion or illicit work?

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  3. Re:The United States is throughly corrupt. by aurispector · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You must be young because this kind of crap has been going on for ages. The worst part is that while the people are saying the bush presidency has been a catastrophe, congress is really the one to blame.

    The only difference between the crap going on now and in previous eras is that all the easy ways of cheating have been used up, so congress has to push the envelope in order to serve their corporate masters.

    Nobody in congress is serving the interests of the people. Even Ron Paul is more interested in ideology. I'm tired of visionaries; I want someone practical.

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  4. I Hope They Pass It! by BlueStrat · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I hope they DO pass this, and I hope a large number of colleges and universities refuse to comply, and many thousands of students lose their grants and aid. This is just the sort of wide-reaching, shocking, horribly unjust-seeming PR disaster that needs to happen to wake up Joe Citizen to what the *AAs and their paid-for lackeys in Congress are doing. Hopefully, this will start an upheaval against all laws that appear *AA-influenced, including the insane copyright length extensions.

    I know, I know. Fat chance. One can dream, though.

    Cheers!

    Strat

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  5. Lower income and.... by iknownuttin · · Score: 2, Interesting
    FTFA: "Lower-income students, those most in need of federal financial aid, would be harmed most under the entertainment industry's proposal."

    Middle class too! And, WTF, I understand now that any sort of drug offense, you lose your financial aid, student loans are getting harder and harder to pay, and if you have any sort of bad luck and you're stuck with those loans forever - can't get out of them with bankruptcy!

    Why don't our politicians just come out and say "No more financial Aid!"

    The meritocracy in America is continually being eroded away by special interests.

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  6. Its quite fun to watch... by JackMeyhoff · · Score: 2, Interesting

    .. America destroy itself from within :)' Easiest victory ever.

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  7. This is GOOD, and while we're at it... by dpilot · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Universities should forfeit their federal financial aid if they don't go along with a few other problems:

    Abstinence-only approach to sex education, STDs, and birth control.

    Just say NO! to drugs.

    O heck, that's enough. It's not worth trying to think up any more.

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    The living have better things to do than to continue hating the dead.
  8. Re:The United States is throughly corrupt. by thue · · Score: 1, Interesting

    IMO the US needs to switch to some form of proportional representation, which would make it possible for new parties to establish themselves.

    Right now a party needs a plurality in a district to get a representative, which sets the bar for entry very high. With proportional representation a party with 5% national support spread out over the whole nation would still be represented.

  9. Re:Open Letter by 15Bit · · Score: 4, Interesting
    > I wonder if this is how the British Empire collapsed too.

    Nah, in that case there were third parties involved - we didn't shoot ourselves in the foot (though arguably we may have assisted in the act). In this case the US is implementing a divide and conquer approach on itself - its purely a domestic issue. However, for those of us who live abroad, i would like to recollect the wise words of Napolean - "Never interrupt your enemy whilst he is making a mistake."

  10. As long as they apply shotgun punishments equally! by ibsteve2u · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Ok, pass this bill. That is, as long as it has a paragraph that states that if any member of the MPAA is caught evading taxes or any other law, every member of the MPAA is imprisoned.

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    Orwell: "In a Time of Universal Deceit, telling the Truth is a Revolutionary Act"
  11. Re:Democrats are socialists? by Palpitations · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I couldn't agree more... That said, at the extreme ends of both parties you'll find some interesting choices.

    Whether it's Kuninich or Gravel on the left (both of whom are bat-shit insane if you believe the hype - and both of who are probably the best thing that could happen to America), or Ron Paul (the closest thing to a true Republican running, instead of the neo-con asshats that dominate the party).

    I hate the two-party system we have, and would love to see proportional representation and a condorcet voting system put in place nation-wide... But really, I think even if we just went from a 2-party system to a 4-party sytem (Democrats and Republicans as they are generally accepted, plus "progressive democrats" like Kucinich and Gravel, as well as a more Libertarian party like what Paul represents), and if all parties were given the same attention my the main stream media and voters in general, a lot of people would be surprised at the results.

    Voting in America is viewed by so many as choosing the lesser of two evils... And when the two evils have so much in common, well, it's not much of a choice unfortunately. A little diversity in the field would do wonders, and I have a feeling it would drastically change the political scene. Of course, that's exactly why those who are entrenched in the system as it stands will never allow a change in the status quo.

    About time for a revolution if you ask me.

    Now if you'll excuse me, I need to get back to my daydreams of a Kucinich vs. Paul election.

  12. Incomprehensible by deblau · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Since when has it been the responsibility of Congress to enforce a private property right? If the MPAA or RIAA wants to sue, the law gives them that power, on exactly equal footing with any other copyright holder. Is Congress next going to pass a law that forces recording studios to provide detailed audits to their artists to ensure that the artists aren't screwed on revenues?

    You can't have it both ways.

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    This post expresses my opinion, not that of my employer. And yes, IAAL.
  13. Re:Email the bill's sponsor - George Miller by pkulak · · Score: 2, Interesting

    No, email your own representative. If they are not from your district, they have no responsibility to you at all. Here's what I sent off to DeFazio:

    I just wanted to point out a section of the current Higher Education Act Reauthorization:

    http://edlabor.house.gov/bills/HEAReauthorizationText.pdf

    On page 411 it states:

    "Each eligible institution participating in any program under this title shall... develop a plan for offering alternatives to illegal downloading or peer-to-peer distribution of intellectual property as well as a plan to explore technology based deterrents to prevent such illegal activity."

    I am strongly opposed to this language. Schools should not be blackmailed by MPAA and RIAA lobbyists into performing law enforcement duties. Thank you very much for your time!