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Plagiarizing Wikipedia For Profit

An anonymous reader sends word of a dustup involving the publisher John Wiley and Sons and Wikipedia. Two pages from a Wiley book, Black Gold: The New Frontier in Oil for Investors, consist of a verbatim copy from the English Wikipedia article on the Khobar Towers bombing. This is the publisher that touched off a fair use brouhaha earlier this year when they threatened to sue a blogger who had reproduced a chart and a table (fully attributed) from one of their journals.

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  1. According to law... by dotancohen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    According to law, they are doing nothing illegal and are even protecting their own legal rights. This is what happens when law dictates human behaviour, instead of morals. Precisely this situation Plato envisioned when he said that good men need no laws to tell them how to behave, and evil men will find ways around the laws.

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    1. Re:According to law... by Aladrin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, because that works -so- well. Let's see... Completely disregarding what the Bible says (which is the moral guidance for a -lot- of people), there have been plenty of other 'moral' actions that we no longer consider moral, or that a portion of the world, and a portion doesn't... Slavery, the equality of women and men, war, circumcision, -many- aspects of sex... The list goes on and on.

      There are those who honestly believe it's okay to just physically take whatever you want. Does that mean it's okay?

      There are those who honestly believe it's okay to just copy whatever files they want. Does that mean it's okay?

      'Morals' are not an adequate replacement for laws. The morals of the majority are a good basis for the laws, though.

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  2. Re:How are they going to claim... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    interesting aspect of...license law that hasn't really been delved into yet

    Ehhh...no?

    Wiley published their content under a completely different license that the original authors had not agreed to. Getting the agreement of said original authors to publish their work is commonly done by paying them for that privilege. No money changed hands.

    Or put differently...courts deal all day with putting a monetary value on things that cannot be mathematically calculated (for example: loss of life, loss of amenity, loss of potential future earnings, mesne profits, damages in torts actionable per se, e.g. trespass to the person). This is no different.

  3. Slashdot tags by EvanED · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This article is tagged "thief". I thought it was standard /. wisdom that copyright infringement isn't theft?

    Anyway, are we sure that the text is from Wikipedia, and not both from a third source? It's probably unlikely, but "they copied from Wikipedia" is far from the only explanation.

    1. Re:Slashdot tags by Sirch · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I thought it was standard /. wisdom that copyright infringement isn't theft? Only when it's Joe Public doing the infringement. When Bob Corporate infringes, Slashdot's bile rises...

      While that's a gross generalization of what I perceive to be a double-standard, I can see some kind of justification behind it - Joe Public generally doesn't make money off it, whereas Bob Corporate infringes for profit.
    2. Re:Slashdot tags by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      How could wikipedia ever prove any of its content is original, when it just appears from random IP addresses?

      Anyway, the slashdot commies are of course complete hypocrites. When it comes to copyright, the old adage "what's yours is mine but what's mine is my own" comes to mind.

      Remember: lefties don't create, they redistribute.

    3. Re:Slashdot tags by pipatron · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The thing is that they did copy the text and said "this is mine, I created this", thus you stole the attribution. This does not happen when you send an mp3 to a friend.

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    4. Re:Slashdot tags by mgblst · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think the double standard arises because it is ok to copy something, but to do it for profit is wrong. That seems a more reasonable standard than the one that you propose.

    5. Re:Slashdot tags by Bogtha · · Score: 2, Insightful

      you stole the attribution

      That's as disingenuous as when record companies claim that you "steal" potential profits. This is not theft. Nothing is being taken away from the original author's possession. There is a perfectly accurate word for what has happened here, it is "plagiarism". Why play word games instead of using the proper word for things?

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    6. Re:Slashdot tags by bzipitidoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Copyright infringement != theft. But this is about plagiarism, and that is theft.

      There's a world of difference between copying some Beatles song versus you claiming to be the author of a "new" song that is actually a Beatles song. (Yet other issues are raised by unintentional plagiarism such as Harrison's "My Sweet Lord".) The difference is even more pronounced for out-of-copyright material such as a Beethoven work. Copy that all you like, but don't try to claim you wrote it, and sue everyone to collect royalties. Publishers are free to use Wikipedia articles, as long as they include the GFDL and don't try to take credit for that work. Or they may use anything from the public domain, and need not give any credit or notice. Usually though, they'll have some boilerplate "all contents copyright Wiley", and I'd think that if there was other material included, they shouldn't leave it at that. Although no notice is required for work in the public domain, one shouldn't imply that such work is one's own. Yet another tricky gray area is claiming copyright on expressions or modifications of a work in the public domain. So an orchestra can perform a work by Beethoven and copyright that. I suppose someone could make and copyright an audio version of any book in the public domain. Where it gets unclear is suppose the original had different spellings and usages (Shakespeare) or questionable translations (King James Bible), can a corrected or updated version that is otherwise a verbatim copy be copyrighted? But whether or no such can be copyrighted, it surely can't be claimed as one's own. For a translation of Shakespeare, it'd have to be "Joe's translation of Shakespeare's plays, translation copyright Joe" if anything, and not "Joe's translation of some plays, all content copyright Joe".

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    7. Re:Slashdot tags by DarkOx · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You are totally correct in that plagiarism is the correct word and that it is the word we should be using to talk about the issue. To the point being made by other posters however plagiarism is a more serious matter then copyright infringement IMHO. With copyright infringement some control over the content is lost to the owner/author. With plagiarism not only is some of the control lost to the author but also the credit for the work.

      In both the academic and artistic circles this is much more damaging than copyright infringement. Once you have created a work of academic or artistic value and its recognized by others as one of those things, it really becomes your personal credibility in the field. If your an artist, it gets you hired to perform, or patronized, if your an academic it gets you a job in industry, a teaching position, funding to more similar work, etc.

      If someone plagiarizes your work then they may get these things instead of you and worse yet possible get you accused or suspected of plagiarism. I think its clear the original author is hurt much more by plagiarism then mere copyright infringement, which if people are bothering to infringe on your copyrights probably does more for your general credibility then anything else could and may actually benefit you in a variety, although certainly not all circumstances. If anyone wants to compare this to the RIAA crying about mp3z its would have to be like you uploading the latest top 40 song and then claiming you and your buddies performed it in the garage the other day.

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    8. Re:Slashdot tags by olddotter · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Only when it's Joe Public doing the infringement. When Bob Corporate infringes, Slashdot's bile rises...

      While that's a gross generalization of what I perceive to be a double-standard, I can see some kind of justification behind it - Joe Public generally doesn't make money off it, whereas Bob Corporate infringes for profit.


      Especially when Bob corporate earlier sued a member of Joe Public for the same actions. "May he who is with out sin cast the first stone."

  4. Re:summary: The copied text is subject to GNU FDL. by PhilHibbs · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Not that "interesting" really. Saying that it "must be" under the GFDL isn't the same as saying that it automatically is under the GFDL. They are in violation of copyright, plain and simple, the GFDL doesn't automatically apply to the whole book, that's crazy talk. It's then up to the lawyers or the courts to come up with a suitable violation penalty and a solution going forward.

  5. they are known scumbags by Kuj0317 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Wiley made my EE intro to circuits book. 1) there were many mistakes, on 3rd edition run. 2) you had to purchase the answer manual seperately. Ordering it got you a cheap, useless book and a registration card for their online system to actually get the answers. The site made it difficult to save the answers, and the registration expired after 1 year. Yeah, scumbags.

  6. Re:How are they going to claim... by Chapter80 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    If the publisher chooses not to conform to this license, then it becomes in breach of copyright (as the works on Wikipedia are covered by copyright law, they're simply globally available on a license backed up by copyright law).
    That's all fine and good. But the owner of the copyright is a collection of anonymous donors. Is some guy named 63.233.10.12 and some other guy named PediaMan2435 going to sue Wiley to assert their copyrights? Sure, they license their work to the Wikipedia Foundation (or whatever the legal name is), but do they license the right to enforce and sue based on THEIR works? I think not.
  7. Wikiplagarism by PhearoX · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I would submit that Wikipedia contains more plagarism than any one textual work ever created.

    So someone copied Wikipedia?

    Meh.

  8. Re:How are they going to claim... by allcar · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Is anyone else reminded of Hitchhikers?

    It is interesting to note that a later and wilier editor sent the book backwards in time through a temporal warp and then successfully sued the breakfast cereal company for infringement of the same laws.
  9. Re:How are they going to claim... by __aayurq3262 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No, licences do not automatically apply, the *PL and CC* licences are not viral. If I copy your work and disregard the licence, then I have violated your copyright, and you can take me to court. If you released it under a particular licence, then that is pretty much irrelevant to me - if I didn't follow the licence, then I have simply violated your copyright. If you violated the copyright, then you are liable for damages. The measure of damages is calculated based on a variety of factors, one of which is what the author charges for the copied work in the marketplace. That "charge" or fee is usually the *minimum* liability for infringing the author's rights. In this case, the author's "charge" is a license to copy the rest of the work under the LGPL/CC. That charge is highly relevant to the measure of damages suffered by the author.

    it would be unreasonable for the [infringing] author's entire book to become freely available under the LGPL due to his carelessness in not checking the actions of a third party. You may think it's unreasonable, but others might not. The infringing author had an obligation to supervise third party created works and not to infringe. I place a high value on the rights granted to the public under LGPL and CC licenses and comparatively much less value on private copyright rights to prevent the public from copying.
  10. Re:Wikipedia: victim and perpetrator by Pedrito · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Actually, you can notify Wikipedia of copyright violations. They're usually pretty good about following up. As for how to know which came first, one way is with The Wayback Machine.

    I had some stuff copied off of a web page and made into a wikipedia article. I reported it as soon as I became aware of it and within a few days, the page was replaced. I don't know if they're always that responsive. It probably depends on who monitors the pages in question.

  11. Two differences... by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    First, when Joe Public infringes, he generally does so for himself. When Bob Corporate does, it's for the world at large.

    Second, Bob Corporate usually gets away with it. If Joe Public is caught, he faces heavy, personal penalties. Bob Corporate can simply have Bob Corporate Inc cover the damage, assuming that they're caught at all and that they lose in court.

    Finally, we take great delight in finding a similar double-standard in Bob Corporate. This company, for instance, went after someone else for a fairly sizable quote (with attribution), and we now find them stealing wholesale (with no attribution). This seems almost second nature to most corporations -- in fact, I forget where it was, but I seem to remember reading someone psychoanalyzing a corporation (as if it were a human) and finding that it's insane.

    Which comes back to "A person is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky, dangerous animals, and you know it."

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  12. Re:How are they going to claim... by missing000 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Ahem. It's called "Research".

    /begin oblig Tom Lehrer lyric/
    Plagiarize,
    Let no one else's work evade your eyes,
    Remember why the good Lord made your eyes,
    So don't shade your eyes,
    But plagiarize, plagiarize, plagiarize...
    Only be sure always to call it please, "research".

  13. This is even worse than normal infringement by aneeshm · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is far worse than normal infringement, because when I infringe copyright, I'm honest about it, and so are millions of others. We know what we're doing, and we don't try to cover it up. We give credit to the creator.

    These entities, on the other hand (the example in the FA, the plagiarism of the Wiki by The Times of India, and many others) are worse - they do not even acknowledge the source. They do not give the creator due credit. Not only do they infringe copyright and break the law, they also try to pass off others' work as their own - something that file-sharers and other "personal use" infringers do not do. Not only that, they actually profit from it - which is precisely what copyright law was originally supposed to prevent.


    In fact, given this context, the state should come down much harder on these entities than on simple "personal use" infringers, because the prevention of such abuses is the very purpose of copyright law in the first place.