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Intel Considering Portable Data Centers

miller60 writes "Intel has become the latest major tech company to express interest in using portable data centers to transform IT infrastructure. Intel says an approach using a "data center in a box" could be 30 to 50 percent cheaper than the current cost of building a data center. "The difference is so great that with this solution, brick-and-mortar data centers may become a thing of the past," an Intel exec writes. Sun and Rackable have introduced portable data centers, while Google has a patent for one and Microsoft has explored the concept. But for all the enthusiasm for data centers in shipping containers, there are few real-world deployments, which raises the question: are portable data centers just fun to speculate about, or can they be a practical solution for the current data center expansion challenges?"

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  1. How long before scammers discover these? by djl4570 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm sure RBN would love "Datacenter in a Box." As soon as the authorities begin sniffing around the datacenter can be trucked somewhere else. How long before someone steals one and sells it on ebay.

  2. It has to be more expensive by llZENll · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Rule #1 in technology, anything portable is more expensive than if it were not portable. If its so cheap to use a crate, why not just put the stuff in the crate in a warehouse instead, bypassing the crate and all of the work and design involved with shoving and fitting the stuff in the crate?

    1. Re:It has to be more expensive by mikael · · Score: 3, Informative

      Because the location is remote and there is not time to build a normal facility. The main purpose for these data centers is to handle expansion in limited areas, or while a new data center is being upgraded.

      There are another applications for keeping everything on a truck:

      Valerie Walters Muscle Truck - a fitness centre that comes to you.

      Office trailers

      Mobile kitchen trailers

      Hospital trailers

      Mobile retail and dwelling units (Or shops and homes in containers).

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    2. Re:It has to be more expensive by Kadin2048 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Rule #1 in technology, anything portable is more expensive than if it were not portable. If its so cheap to use a crate, why not just put the stuff in the crate in a warehouse instead, bypassing the crate and all of the work and design involved with shoving and fitting the stuff in the crate? Not really applicable here. The equipment is the same either way. It's not like buying a laptop versus a desktop, where one is carefully (and expensively) optimized and the other one isn't. The same pizzaboxes/blades are going in the racks either way, whether it's in a traditional datacenter or in a cargo container.

      The advantage is more on the installation and infrastructure end. Think of it more as "mobile homes" versus "traditional houses." With a regular house, you have to get the plumber, electrician, HVAC guy, carpenters, etc. to your site. For a mobile home or trailer, you keep all those people in one place, and they build houses over and over and over, on an assembly line. And as a result, "manufactured homes" are a lot cheaper than regular ones.

      I think that's the model that you want to apply to datacenters: get rid of all the on-site installation and configuration, all the raised flooring and cabling; just have a team of people in a factory somewhere, installing and wiring all the servers into the containers, over and over. Then you just haul the container to the customer's site and plug it in. (In fact, since it's in a shipping container already, there's no reason why you do this in a place where labor is expensive; you might as well assemble them in some third-world country somewhere; it would almost assuredly be worth the small cost for sea freight -- most of a container's transportation costs are in the last few hundred miles anyway.)

      The problem is mainly a chicken-and-egg one; in order to make "datacenters in a box" cheaper than traditional ones, you need to get an economy of scale going. You need to have an assembly line churning them out. If you don't have that, you're just taking the expense of a traditional data center and then adding a bunch of containerization and transportation costs to it.

      It might take a very long time to catch on, because there's such an investment in traditional datacenters right now, but if I worked doing datacenter server installations, it's probably something I'd be a little concerned about. Unlike with 'manufactured homes' and regular houses, there isn't much social stigma over having your web site served from a trailer.
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    3. Re:It has to be more expensive by lucifuge31337 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Understand that my point is to stop the ghettoization you've obviously seen: again, real, proper data centers don't operate that way. Every been to 365 Main in SF? Horrible. 60 Hudson? It's a travesty. This is what happens when you colo: morons put whatever they want in whatever rack you lease them and plug it into anything they can get an extension cord to. This is not a real data center.

      With containerized units being used as commodity infrastructure (which is increasingly easy to do with things like VMWare), this all goes away. No, it won't cover every possibility. You're still going to need somewhere to put those machines with weird cards, be they satellite connectivity, PSTN, etc. But the pure processing power portions of the DC can be kept "clean" and to spec with a few simple rules: the machines are what they are. If they break, an identical unit will be swapped back in.

      Yes, it takes a different approach to server utilization, but it's one that becoming increasingly common in both large and small traditional data centers.

      I'm tired of spaghetti. I'm tired of some idiot plugging both inputs of PDUs into two whips on the same generator. I'm tired of morons putting server labels over the only cooling vents on the front/back of the machine (if they even bother to label them). I'm tired of waiting for some kid at the colo facility to find a crash cart to tell me what some customer's server that has gone unreachable says on the console. I'm tired of idiots not racking machines with rails, and simply stacking a few on top of each other.

      And let's face it - the guy putting his hands ont he equipment in a noisy DC is usually not the best trained or most experienced. And that's not going to change any time soon. It's simple economics.

      These portable DCs are my OCD dream.

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    4. Re:It has to be more expensive by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ahh. This makes much more sense. I'd mod you up if I had the points available. I did resent the implication that I wasn't familiar with "real data centers". I've been involved in plenty of work in centers that are very "real" indeed, thank you, and in what you refer to as "ghetto" operations.

      I am also sick of spaghetti. The avoidance of spaghetti, alone, is a reason to pick consistent hardware manufacturers and spend the extra $500/server to get good Dell or HP systems instead of pizza boxes, and be able to rackmount them well and cable them consistently so you don't have to invent a new airflow solution for every half-rack of equipment. And if I see one more system with a side-vent or top-vent or other cutesy airflow solution that I have to stuff into a rack of normal servers, I'll scream.

      By the way, for your crash cart fun and games, I've gotten extremely fond of using virtualization on an over-powered server to provide me with remote console access to the guest domain, without having to rely on the local manpower or expensive remote KVM's. You might look into it, now that it's become integral to so many distributions.

  3. Why it probably won't work by Z80xxc! · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It seems to me that there would be too many hassles for this to ever work. The equipment in a data center is expensive, and that equipment doesn't usually like being jostled around in a truck, let alone bouncing around at sea for a while. Although in theory it's a great idea, I just don't see it ever really working out. Also, what about security? Data centers need good security. If it's so easily portable, then it wouldn't be that hard for someone to just take off with one, whereas you can't exactly stick a real data center on your getaway car. TFA suggests a warehouse to store the things in to address security and such, but doesn't that sort of defeat the purpose of having them be mobile?

    1. Re:Why it probably won't work by Feyr · · Score: 5, Interesting

      good points, and there's also the maintenance and upgrades to consider, unless you're google and you just replace the rack when more than a certain % is defective. for the majority of places, clustering is the exception, not the norm and you just cant leave 70% of your rack full of defective or outdated crap

      consider minor faults too. do you replace the whole rack because a network cable went bad? i don't think so, and i don't want to be the one crawling around that shipping container stringing cat5

    2. Re:Why it probably won't work by drix · · Score: 4, Informative

      Dig a little deeper--you really think that large companies such as IBM, Sun, Google et al would spend tens of millions of dollars developing these products and not give thought to the basic issues you have raised? I know I know this is Slashdot and this sort of armchair quarterbacking is de rigeur, but still... every one of these issues has been addressed on Jonathan Schwartz's blog, to say nothing of the myriad of technical and marketing literature which I'm sure covers it in exhaustive detail. Here's a Blackbox getting hit with a 6.7 quake; here's where he talks about shipping it, and security as well (it comes equipped with tamper, motion and GPS sensors, to say nothing of simply hiring a night watchman to call the cops if somebody comes prowling;) and the answer to your last question is no, no it does not.

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    3. Re:Why it probably won't work by Z80xxc! · · Score: 2

      You still fail to address the problem of working inside one of those. A shipping container can only be so big. As Feyr said, what do you do about upgrading or replacing stuff? There's limited room to move around. You need to be able to access all the equipment, not to mention getting wiring and all set up. Also, would you want to be the captain of a ship carrying several hundred of those? If that ship sinks, then you're in deep trouble. Pun intended. Having hundreds of mobile datacenters on the sea floor isn't going to do you much good, now is it?

    4. Re:Why it probably won't work by TheLink · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "You need to be able to access all the equipment"

      Why? If you're something like Google, I bet you could just RMA the containers with faulty stuff back and get new/refurbished ones already configured to your specs - all you need is net boot them for automated install. AFAIK Google don't fix servers once they fail or even take them out of the rack, they just have someone go about once in a while to take em out (like "garbage collecting" instead of "malloc/free").

      So for the big guys it'll be a bit like buying a prebuilt PC, only it's the size of a container.

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    5. Re:Why it probably won't work by dokebi · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Google isn't doing that just because they have lots of money. No, it's actually cheaper to run things that way. And now with VM's running on clusters, the health of individual machines really doesn't matter anymore.

      So, when do you think a Redundant Array of Inexpensive Datacenters will become a reality? Psst. It'll be sooner than you think.

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    6. Re:Why it probably won't work by Kadin2048 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I think the short answer is that you don't. I've seen the photos of Sun's boxes, and while the racks do pull out to let you get to the equipment if you need to, I think you basically just view each server in the rack as a small part of a bigger assembly (the box itself), and if something goes faulty in a single server, you move its workload to another machine and just turn it off and leave it there, essentially entombed in the rack. Maybe they'll be some way of easily swapping out machines, or maybe it'll just be easier to leave them there until the entire container's worth of machines are obsolete, and then just dispose of the whole thing and get a new box hauled in. (Or send it back to somewhere for refurbishment, where they can strip it down completely, pull out all the machines, repair and replace, and then bring in a new one.)

      We think of rack space as being precious because of the way traditional datacenters are built and designed; I'm not sure that would still be true if you had a warehouse or parking lot full of crates (especially if they're stacked 3 or 4 high) instead. If you never unseal the box, rack space isn't a concern. Heck, if you have a football field of stacked containers, you might not even want to mess around with getting a dead one out of a stack if it died completely. Just leave it there until you have some major maintenance scheduled and it's convenient to remove it.

      This is getting into business models rather than the technology itself, but I could imagine a company selling or leasing boxes with a certain number of actual processing nodes and a number of hot spares, and a contract to replace the container if more than x number of nodes failed during the box's service life (5 years or so). Companies could buy them, plug them in, and basically forget about them, like the old stories about IBM mainframes. If enough units in the box failed so that it was close to running out of hot spares, then it could phone home for a replacement. As long as enough hot spares were provided so that you didn't need to do this often, it might be fairly economical.

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  4. My data in a box by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    > Intel says an approach using a "data center in a box" could be 30 to 50 percent cheaper.

    Steps:

    1. Get a box.

    2. Put your junk in the box.

    3. Make her access the box.

    and watch the love, baby...

    1. Re:My data in a box by maz2331 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Come on... how many slashdotters have actually accessed her box recently?

  5. AC for Computer Room by raftpeople · · Score: 4, Informative

    Rule #1 in technology, anything portable is more expensive than if it were not portable


    Have you ever signed the bill for having AC installed for your computer room in an existing building? While that is just 1 expense of many, it makes me think rule #1 is not accurate.

    If its so cheap to use a crate, why not just put the stuff in the crate in a warehouse instead


    This is a good idea that I've seen used in certain situations. There are downsides of course but for a company on a budget or in flux w.r.t. facilities this can be a good solution.
  6. You're all missing the point by Synthaxx · · Score: 5, Funny
    This isn't about the datacenter, this is a stroke of genious.

    You see, by closing the door, the actual data contained within' is either there or not there.

    What they've done is run a network cable to that same box to check this, thereby solving one of the most fundamental questions of the universe!

    Like i said, absolute genious!

    1. Re:You're all missing the point by youthoftoday · · Score: 5, Funny

      Schrodinger's CAT5?

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  7. Play games with taxes and states, too by timothy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you have a business which can be housed in a portable structure of any kind, it makes it more likely you can move it across a border (state or national) when that makes sense, or just seem inclined to do so if the local powermongers decide they want more (of your) pie.

    Coal mines? Hard to do it.

    Hospitals? Difficult.

    Big factories? Tough.

    Data centers? If built into containers or container-friendly, you can start packing now ;)

    (On the other hand, it also means that data-centric companies can angle for that famous and annoying "corporate welfare" by flirting with various states and municipalities seeking better goodies like tax abatements, "free" infrastructure additions, etc.)

    timothy

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    1. Re:Play games with taxes and states, too by garett_spencley · · Score: 2, Insightful

      While this is probably one of many possibilities introduced, I think what most people are missing isn't that this is a 'mobile' data center... but that it's 'modular'.

      In the case of Sun's Black Box project it's literally a data center in a standard shipping container. You can do almost anything with that.

      Here's one scenario.

      Imagine a web hosting company start-up. Their goal is grow as large as a big server provider like The Planet but they don't have several million to invest and even if they did, they won't have the customers yet.

      What a traditional start-up might do is rent servers from a provider and resell them. But with these portable data centers you could just rent a secured warehouse somewhere (much cheaper than building a multi-million dollar data center) and then start with ONE portable datacenter. When you get enough customers you simply stick another portable data center right next to it. Or on top of it. Or whatever.

      In essence you have a modular data center that will easily scale and can be put pretty much anywhere.

      I think that's what most people are missing. The summary said "mobile" whereas I think the real point is "modular". You can pick it up and drop it pretty much anywhere and it can tack on to your existing infrastructure easily etc. Or, as one video clip demonstrating Sun's Black Box said "If you fill this thing with our high end servers you've got one of the world's top 200 super computers".

      Point being it just opens up so many possibilities that weren't there before.

  8. Military by SirKron · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The military already uses these. The Marines uses them to bring their network onto a ship during transit and then into a tent when deployed.

  9. Why it probably will work by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Because, with virtual server architectures being on the rise, a new data centre can mean one or two large and very generic servers and simplified connections. This means the configurations can be highly standardised. The real difficulty would be ensuring your network of backed up virtual server files were configured in a portable fashion and properly documented, as in config management database. You wouldn't need to worry about the builds so much, just the right config of virtual drives. Get it right and you'd be back up and running in an hour. Get it wrong and you'd never recover.

    I guess the rules are pretty much the same as for standard data centres, but since these will be looked at as a DR solution as often as not, being able to break a standard one out of the warehouse and put it online fast -- for any number of different configs -- would put it on any IT risk manager's shopping list.

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    1. Re:Why it probably will work by kent_eh · · Score: 2, Informative

      About 14 years ago, I was at Ericsson in Richardson, TX for some training. They had a cell switch installed in a set of semi trailers that was specifically for disaster recovery. (though they did use it as a test bed when it wasn't required for DR)
      If a customer lost a switch location due to fire, earthquake, or whatever, they could deploy this unit anywhere in north america within drive time plus 3-5 days for configuration.
      The customer would be scrambling to get leased lines and microwave re-routed to the temporary location, but they could probably have some service restored to their customers within a week or 2. Especially if they had a few COWs (cell on wheels) to use.
      A lot better that the 10-12 weeks it took to install a new switch from scratch.

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  10. Re:Connectivity? by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 2, Informative
    How cost effective would it be to have a 'portable' DC when you'd have to pay for at least 1 additional set of network and power connections?

    (1) Microwave link or mobile repeater. Costly and needs preplanning, but no external cables. (2) "Portable" can mean "nice quiet diesel or LPG powered generator in the back". Theoretically you could have it up and running while it's being delivered, without waiting for it to reach its destination. I think the target word is "hurry", not "cheap". Fast setup, as in fast market capture or disaster recovery is the word. And I know there are better ways to do DR but not all of your customers think ahead like that, do they? Only the ones who probably don't need you in the first place.

    Remember, if all of your customers had perfectly-run data centres, you'd probably be out of a job.

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  11. Like Prefab Houses by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Prefab houses are an increasingly popular method for home construction. They're not really "portable", except when they're delivered from the factory to the "installation site". They're not interesting because of their containers, but because of the economics and other efficiencies in delivering and installing them.

    Instead of the house builders building each house as a completely custom job, in an unfamiliar site, in all kinds of weather, with only the tools and materials they bring to some residential area, they've got full control at the factory. They don't have to ship all the excess materials that they used to have to ship back out as garbage. They can keep a pipeline filled with houses they're building, and deliver them very shortly after they're ordered, even quicker than they actually build them. And since so much is standardized, they can mass produce them and otherwise get scale economies that reduce costs. Since they aren't inventing a new, complex device with every home a new, arbitrary blueprint, they are skilled in more than their tools and materials, but rather skilled in producing that exact house, with solved problems presenting higher quality homes quicker.

    All that is also true of datacenters. The weather doesn't present so much of a problem avoided, because the datacenter is usually installed in an existing building. But all the rest of the efficiencies are in effect. So datacenters can be cheaper, better, and deployed quicker. This trend makes a lot of sense.

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  12. Re:LAN Party ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    If there were to be a Woodstock today...
    ... there would be 100k kids on e and crystal meth bouncing around to mostly shit music punctuated by about 1 or 2 acts that are worthy of seeing.
    There has already been a Woodstock like that. It was in 1969.
  13. Security? by Billly+Gates · · Score: 2, Insightful

    To have tens of millions of dollars just sitting in a nice convenient portable container that can be hauled by anyone with a truck seems all too tempting.

    Now if some of the data in their included credit numbers and maybe social security numbers of employees as well then you can make money by identity theft as well.

    I suppose only a minimum wage paid security guard is guarding it too so anyone with a truck and fake uniform and nametag with a bogus company name can just drive in and convince the guard to drive off with it.

    Seems risky.

  14. Perfect for greedy companies... by SeaFox · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Large corporations will love this. Every time the property tax abatement runs out on their current data center location, they can just lay off all the employees and truck the data center to another city.

    Coming soon: Portable Oil Refineries.

  15. Portable data centers in field use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    2007: government worker loses unencrypted laptop
    2017: government worker loses unencrypted portable data center

  16. Re:The Trucker... by Thumper_SVX · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's a little bit of a conceptual shift from datacenters of old... and it's not for everyone. Having said that, this is exactly the sort of thing we've been talking about for a while where I work ever since Sun talked about their product.

    Data center processing capabilities have increased dramatically over the years, but generally the problem I have seen in most datacenters these days is simply that they are not designed for the heat and power load per square foot that blades and high-density systems require. Most modern datacenters were designed and/or built in the 80s and 90s when they had very specific requirements as regards power and heat load per square foot... and that was reasonable at the time. The higher density systems such as blades are a great idea, and provide much more processing capability per square foot than traditional racked servers... however, it has become tough to keep up with the heat output and power requirements of these on a per rack basis. I know our datacenter where I work that was built in 1995 has been retrofitted no less than four times in the last few years to increase cooling capacity, and we're rapidly reaching the limits of what we can do with the physically constrained space we have. At the moment, if we add a new power feed or AC unit, we will actually need to remove racks to put it in. Given our racks are currently running at an average 85% physical capacity already you can see where we have a problem.

    These sort of portable datacenters though are only for those who design their systems correctly. Most applications these days can leverage "fat" back end systems (databases and so forth) with "thin" front-end application servers. My proposal that's going through the mill right now was to invest in one of these containers to migrate all of the front-end systems into that datacenter, leaving only the data and storage (SAN) sitting in the existing datacenter. That way, we can eliminate approximately 60% of our servers, which themselves make up about 40% of the heat and power load in our datacenter today. That way we can continue to expand the storage (which is desperately needed, we just have no more floor space for SAN) and leverage either powerful blade servers or powerful standard rack servers as consolidated database clusters and possibly virtual machine space. Where we need application-server space, we can put a server out in the "trailer" and connect it across a fat link into the existing datacenter (bonded gigabit), thereby providing incredible flexibility.

    The cost may seem prohibitive, but what are our other options? Right now, our only other option is to actually build a new dedicated datacenter building. The cost of that is incredibly prohibitive, and we've been playing catchup for a long time as far as trying to meet our user demand in a rapidly growing user base while being seriously constrained on space. The cost of one of these trailers is actually an incredible bargain compared to the cost of proper design, architecture, engineering and actually constructing a new building to house our ever growing application requirements.

    So what about server failures? Personally, I feel that the best way to proceed is to run up the trailer to about 85% utilized, leaving lots of idle servers in-place. Network boots and stuff like that ought to provide rapid provisioning within the trailered data center, so in the event of a failure you just use network boot to bring up another node and call for service. Hey, we already have all of our servers under maintenance with the manufacturer anyway, and most of the time this is exactly what we do. Plus, what if we grow again? Add another trailer. Simple, cost-effective and efficient.

    The security aspect? Leverage your already existing datacenter. Use that as your data source, leave as little actual customer data on the trailered servers as you can. If you start getting constrained on space, start moving your database servers out to the trailers as well, but connect them back to your SAN in the old DC. By doing s