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Torvalds on Where Linux is Headed in 2008

Stony Stevenson writes "In an interview at the ITNews site, Linus Torvalds lays out his current excitement about the future of Linux. Torvalds is looking forward to hardware elements like solid-state drives, expects progress in graphics and wireless networking, and says the operating system is strong in virtualisation despite his personal lack of interest in the area. 'When you buy an OS from Microsoft, not only you can't fix it, but it has had years of being skewed by one single entity's sense of the market. It doesn't matter how competent Microsoft — or any individual company — is, it's going to reflect that fact. In contrast, look at where Linux is used. Everything from cellphones and other small embedded computers that people wouldn't even think of as computers, to the bulk of the biggest machines on the supercomputer Top-500 list. That is flexibility.'"

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  1. Desktop Linux by David+Off · · Score: 5, Funny

    So 2008 is finally the year of Linux on the desktop?

    1. Re:Desktop Linux by Colin+Smith · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No. The desktop is dead. It's the year of Linux in your pocket.

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    2. Re:Desktop Linux by Bert64 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Not strictly true...
      The same Linux kernel, admittedly often configured in different ways and with different userland apps, runs on all these devices...
      The mobile versions of windows are completely different, and have very little in common with the desktop and server versions.
      I have a Nokia N800, which runs an embedded linux, i can compile all the same programs i use on my desktop linux machines. Even if you have the source, it's not easy to just recompile a windows program to run on windows mobile, and most programs dont come with source anyway.

      As for supercomputers, windows is pretty laughable in this area, it's only used in fairly low end clusters and is horribly inefficient (all your cluster nodes need a videocard and local hd?), most of the serious supercomputers are running linux these days. As for performance, last time i saw a windows cluster in the top500 it consisted of 660 2.8ghz dual cpu dell poweredge servers, a machine using 600 dual cpu 2.8ghz poweredge servers of the same model and running linux was 50 places higher.

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    3. Re:Desktop Linux by arevos · · Score: 5, Informative

      What is this contrast he speaks of? Last time I checked, Windows was used in all these areas too... Out of the 500 top supercomputers, 6 use Windows, and 426 use Linux. Windows doesn't even show up in the top 100.

      I haven't been able to find information on the smallest Windows CE system, but Linux has been stuffed on a wristwatch with only 19MHz of CPU power and 8M of RAM.

      So I guess Linus' point is that Linux runs a greater range of systems, from the top supercomputers in the world (the top ten all run Linux), to the very smallest of devices. Windows doesn't scale quite as well.

    4. Re:Desktop Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's the year of Linux in your pocket.

      No, really, I'm just happy to see you.
    5. Re:Desktop Linux by jonadab · · Score: 5, Funny

      > Outlook and Exchange is highly compelling over any other options

      *Are* there other options? Off the top of my head, I don't even know of any other enterprise-class fully automated virus retrieval and installation systems.

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  2. Quick Summary by XMode · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not really much to the interview.. It can be summed up with 1 Q&A

    Interviewer: Where is Linux going.
    Linus: Its going where it wants to.

  3. Games, and the next generation. by Thanshin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If games made for Windows worked 1% faster in Linux, we'd have a generation of kids who would only know windows as the OS used in businesses.

    The day I see in a game forum "Use Linux, n00b." as the usual reply to "OMG! Low fps! Getting pwned! HALP!" will set the ten year count to Linux victory over Windows.

  4. 2008 will be the year of cheap laptops by eulernet · · Score: 5, Insightful

    2008 is seeing the birth of laptop computers below $300: XO, Asus EEE, and I guess some new will appear soon.

    Vista alone is almost more expensive than the hardware !

    Microsoft was a good alternative when computers did cost $1500, but now the price is just too heavy.
    But they really can't win when the hardware is cheap.

    If they keep remaining in the high performance market (which seems their belief, see DirectX 10), they'll lose their market share in 2 years, along with Dell !

  5. Re:2008 : Year of the Death of Linux by ThreeGigs · · Score: 5, Insightful

    but I didn't see any momentum at any place
    I take it you don't shop at Wal-Mart?

    I didn't see anyone in my office switched to Linux.. or any of my clients.
    And you probably won't, as most office PCs fall under the jurisdiction of IT overlords who dislike users replacing OSes.

    Sure.. they have nothing else to do other than wrestling with Linux.
    I'll take that as sarcasm, and agree with you. The biggest stumbling block to widespread Linux adoption on the desktop is that it usually does take some 'wrestling' to get it to work, whereas Windows generally 'just works'. Yet that's not a fault of Linux, it's a fault of hardware makers who decide to release a driver for Windows and NOT for Linux.

    I was going to mention the lack of GUI tools for some tasks, requiring users to manualy edit init files, but then I remembered how many times I've had to open regedit and manually change registry entries. In that sense I've had to wrestle with Windows as much as Linux.

    See.. how many distros ??
    Actually, a good point. There are a significant fraction of Windows users who don't know which version they're running, and in order to support them you need to know that. Same with the various distros, as they all are different enough so that you need to know which you're dealing with. I was recently at an acquaintance's house and saw their computer. "Hey, you run Linux" I said.... "No, it's Ubuntu" they said. They could have just as easily said "No, it's KDE". Sadly, as much as most /. readers are pro-standards, the lack of a 'hard' standard, or small set of standard configurations is a hindrance to more widespread *desktop* adoption.

    how many kernal updates every week ???
    Less than the number of Patch Tuesdays in a month, apparently.

    Linux sure got some momentum on academia. Well... to be frank.. its not because they really like. Only because they want to escapre from paying volume-licenses.
    Actually, it *is* because 'they like'. $300 is nothing when you've got research grants in the million$. Academia likes it because they can whittle away and tweak Linux until it does *only* what they need it to do, and do it efficiently and fast. Faster than Windows. And when you only need half the computers to get the same speed, or can get twice the speed with what you've got, you use Linux.

    But if you really want to argue cost, then don't forget the electricity bill. The $300 spent on a license costs more when you need to buy and power more computers to get the same results in the same time.

    Furthremore, there are linux idiots who worship linux OS, who monopolize linux-OS in their domain.
    There are Apple fanboys too. And yes, sometimes Windows actually *is* a better choice, although thankfully those special cases are becoming fewer and fewer as time goes on.

    Linux community should give up their efforts and must try to learn some lessons from M$ and either help Windows to be better OR do something like Windows for FREE.
    I think they *did* learn some lessons... lessons in what NOT to do. In fact, looking at Vista, I think MS has a few lessons that *they* need to learn from the Linux community.

    As for 'doing something like Windows....for free', isn't that *exactly* what Linux is?

    Afterall.. true power of linux can not be executed without being a linux-geek.. who knows all the command line commands and some degree of linux kernal modding... that's pathetic.
    And the true power of Windows can not be executed... FULL STOP. Can't streamline the kernel, must know all the registry tweaks which may or may not be published anywhere. THAT is pathetic.